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KylieDog said:

Thats an empty example, because if VHS players DID start selling the tech would still be outdated, same as many Nintendo games are.  Nintendo games always get special treatment where Wii owners for example will complain about one game not having VA or cutscenes then not hold the next Nintendo game to the same criticism.

You made me consider the possibility that my interpretation of the word "outdated" is wrong and that's why this argument isn't settled yet. So I looked it up on dictionary.com.

–adjective

no longer in use or fashionable; out-of-date; outmoded; antiquated.
Turns out I wasn't wrong about its definition. Which means you are 100 % wrong in calling games with little to no cutscenes outdated. There's no way around it. You are wrong.



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Demotruk said:

http://metroid-database.com/?p=newsarch&id=329

Sorry, there's the source for cutscenes not being skippable, I haven't been on this thread since.


Look at it this way: you'll have time to watch an entire Star Wars movie in bits and pieces while those 2 hours of cutscenes scroll by :P

 

Anyway, while i was inclined to believe that it was the case (unskippable in first playthrough), we can't take anything from a demo like this as definitive, especially in this case.



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RolStoppable said:
KylieDog said:

Thats an empty example, because if VHS players DID start selling the tech would still be outdated, same as many Nintendo games are.  Nintendo games always get special treatment where Wii owners for example will complain about one game not having VA or cutscenes then not hold the next Nintendo game to the same criticism.

You made me consider the possibility that my interpretation of the word "outdated" is wrong and that's why this argument isn't settled yet. So I looked it up on dictionary.com.

–adjective

no longer in use or fashionable; out-of-date; outmoded; antiquated.
Turns out I wasn't wrong about its definition. Which means you are 100 % wrong in calling games with little to no cutscenes outdated. There's no way around it. You are wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I can see his point if it comes to pure technological aspects (like in VHS-DVD example), i.e. being outdated equals to being technologically inferior regardless of success on the market, though to some extent pretty much everything on the market may be considered outdated the day it became available. But the argument doesn't hold water if it's applied to entertainment, which games are, since there're no objective scale to measure such things which isn't the case with forementioned example (quality of video output and most other features could be objectively measured).

But even being treated purely like technology I can't see how lack of VA and cutscenes may be considered outdated in games. The most common example of using VA and cutscenes in games is to tell a story, but I can't see how games could be solely appreciated thanks to their stories and nothing else. Even if they could be appreciated that way there're no direct relation between presumably bad story (or at least the one that lacks VA and cutscenes) in game and being 'inferior', there're no objective measure for such things. In fact, I doubt anyone would insist that lack VA and  cutscenes  automatically implies bad story, since you may as well assume that literature is always inferior to cinema since tools it uses are 'technologicaly inferior' to VA and cutscenes.

All in all trying to present VA and cutscenes as superior to anything is fallacious, since there're no directly comparable things that may be deemed as absolutely inferior in every aspect possible, if ain't superior you can't argue that lack of them makes games outdated.



ok now everybody here talkin about whats outdated or not,gotta GTFO and start a thread about it.

If you dont buy a game for the reason that you think is outdated then I dont know what kind of gamer you are cuz games like Dragon Quest are still sellin crazy in japan, NSMBW is best platformer I've played since super mario world.

@KylieDog As a Resident evil fan myself I dont give f***  about people sayin games are outdated but if I'd care I wouldnt have RE5 avatar cuz as 3rd person shooter RE5 feels pretty much outdated.



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twistedcellz said:

@KylieDog As a Resident evil fan myself I dont give f***  about people sayin games are outdated but if I'd care I wouldnt have RE5 avatar cuz as 3rd person shooter RE5 feels pretty much outdated.


There flaw here is that RE5 is an action game, not a third person shooter. 



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I love the Metroid Series,for all the elements it has



I think the control mechanic is serviceable. it may not be the best possible solution, but I also think its simplicity will enable the game to focus more on variable enemies than metroid has before.



KylieDog said:
twistedcellz said:

@KylieDog As a Resident evil fan myself I dont give f***  about people sayin games are outdated but if I'd care I wouldnt have RE5 avatar cuz as 3rd person shooter RE5 feels pretty much outdated.


There flaw here is that RE5 is an action game, not a third person shooter.

well thats what you say but when about everythin u do in a game is shootin in third person, I call that a third person shooter.BTW a TPS is an Action Game and RE5 is still outdated as an Action game or as a TPS.

Is there something wrong with that? Not for me but its you that seems to be sayin that if you think something is outdated is not good.(well as a RE title there was something wrong with RE5 but thats out of topic)

And cutscenes have nothing to do with gameplay which is whats most important in a game.RE2 may seems outdated for u but among Resident evil fan its one of the best and 10 times better than RE5,just like sprites may be outdated but among fighting fans Blazblue is far better than SF4.

The most important in a game is the Appeal of the game: is what get you to buy it 

and once u got it then is the Gameplay : does it feels fun or good when you play it.

 



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To change the course of the thread a bit, i'll bring up a point that TwistedCellz and i have discussed recently, saying that: where the hell is the hype for this? It got a little trailer at E3, the same demo they showed 4 months prior, and Nintendo hasn't really been pitching it to the major media outlets for any sort of review. Even that stuff that CVG was trying to show a few weeks back (before they decided to give up halfway through and delete their trail in the process), was entirely out of the E3 demo.

 

By comparison, we knew much much more about what Galaxy 2 or NSMBWii would entail by this point in their lifecycles, and certainly far more about what Metroid Prime 3 would be like (though Nintendo treated pre-launch hype differently in those days, so Galaxy 2 and NSMBWii are the better comparisons)



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Nothing new really. Metroid never really was "all that" outside of message boards and the "hardcore" gamers. Remember when they released that channel on the Wii Shop Channel that was supposed to advertise Metroid Prime 3: Corruption? I doubt it did anything to help sell more copies of that game to newcomers. So my point is, no matter what Nintendo does to advertise a Metroid game to the world, it won't achieve high sales. Metroid lives by word of mouth. Also... maybe by fan service nowadays it seems.



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