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wtf is that have to do with Metroid

Took the words right out of my mouth. I'm not a moderator or anything, but I'd strongly advise that this discussion be moved to some other place, like someone's wall for example.

And while I'm here, I'll just post this:



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The market does not decide if somethign is outdated or not.  if everyone suddenly run out and started buying VHS players again would VHS suddenly not be an outdated tech?  No.



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KylieDog said:

The market does not decide if somethign is outdated or not.  if everyone suddenly run out and started buying VHS players again would VHS suddenly not be an outdated tech?  No.


ur probably right but its not the same with games

Nowadays plenty people think sprites are outdated but alot of gamers still feel sprites are better than 3d models for fighting games and and pretty much anything that is sidescroller

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Qays said:

But that's not what matters at all. What matters is the following point: was it worth buying to the people who are worth listening to?

How does one determine who is worth listening to? Are you implying that there is an objective standard for subjective value metrics, or that value metrics themselves are objective, or that people with a given value metric should listen only to people who share that value metric (bordering on tautology with this one), or that certain value metrics are invalid?



Gamerace said:

I must say, I never played the original Metroid games (going to get them on VC prior to M:OM) and never cared for the Prime series despite owning Prime and Prime 3.  Neither my son nor I could ever get into them.   But M:oM really has me excited.   I love the quick, fast arcade 2d Metroid style mixed with FPS elements and the cinematic story.  

I'm a more casual player, and I find this, to me, looks to be a very fun and accessible game to play.    I could see this appealing to a lot of people outside of Metroid fans, if they know of it and if they actually get their hands on it to see how fun and accessible it is.

I felt the same way. I have Prime 3 but i never really 'got into it' either, this game really got me interested from the start :)



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Sorry, there's the source for cutscenes not being skippable, I haven't been on this thread since.



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Khuutra said:
Qays said:

But that's not what matters at all. What matters is the following point: was it worth buying to the people who are worth listening to?

How does one determine who is worth listening to? Are you implying that there is an objective standard for subjective value metrics, or that value metrics themselves are objective, or that people with a given value metric should listen only to people who share that value metric (bordering on tautology with this one), or that certain value metrics are invalid?

I would like an answer as to the course of this conversation. From what I gather, this ignoramus introduced the debate of 'quality' following Rol's assertion that 'the market decides what is outdated' - with the hidden premises that 'the market decides what the market wants' and 'what the market wants is not outdated' - which is a simplification, but none the less a different claim than that which was inferred.

Of course, it is a common fallacy to equate the trends of the market with quality (simply replace 'outdated' with 'quality' and the form of the argument remains the same) but this did not happen in this case.

On topic; I really must say I've grown to appreciate this game more and more. While I still have reservations as regards everything from combat, to aesthetics, to controls, I'm still impressed with the brisk pacing of the gameplay coupled with the atmospheric cinematic qualities (which is always impressive given an interactive context). Whether the direction is a good one or not, I think the designers did a competent job bringing it to life in this game.



People need to stop derailing this thread instead of talking about obsolete technology and complaining about controls for games that don't even relate back to Metroid. That is all.

Edit: If you want to talk about these things, feel free to create a thread about it instead of derailing this thread. Sorry, needed to clarify.



KylieDog said:

The market does not decide if somethign is outdated or not.  if everyone suddenly run out and started buying VHS players again would VHS suddenly not be an outdated tech?  No.

Your VHS example supports precisely what I said. After the introduction of DVD, sales of VHS players gradually declined and never picked up again. Manufacturers of VHS players eventually had to stop production because the market didn't demand these players anymore.

If someone would start to produce and sell VHS players again, nobody would run out to buy them, because the market already decided that VHS is outdated.

Your original point was that video games that feature little to no cutscenes are outdated. However, the sales of video games that fit this description prove that the market at large does not think this way.



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RolStoppable said:
KylieDog said:

The market does not decide if somethign is outdated or not.  if everyone suddenly run out and started buying VHS players again would VHS suddenly not be an outdated tech?  No.

Your VHS example supports precisely what I said. After the introduction of DVD, sales of VHS players gradually declined and never picked up again. Manufacturers of VHS players eventually had to stop production because the market didn't demand these players anymore.

If someone would start to produce and sell VHS players again, nobody would run out to buy them, because the market already decided that VHS is outdated.

Your original point was that video games that feature little to no cutscenes are outdated. However, the sales of video games that fit this description prove that the market at large does not think this way.


Thats an empty example, because if VHS players DID start selling the tech would still be outdated, same as many Nintendo games are.  Nintendo games always get special treatment where Wii owners for example will complain about one game not having VA or cutscenes then not hold the next Nintendo game to the same criticism.



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