By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Nintendo Discussion - Pachter Time: Abandon Ship... Every Pubisher by itself....

Don't your love this guy

"Wii software sales were down 19% year-over-year and DS software sales were down 13%, while PS3 software sales were up 58% and Xbox 360 software sales were up 29%. We think this is remarkable, given growth in the Wii hardware installed base of 44% and growth in the DS installed base of 33% over the last 12 months. In contrast, the PS3 installed base is up 60% and the Xbox 360 installed base is up 32% over the same period. Software sales growth mirrored hardware unit growth for both the PS3 and Xbox 360, but sorely lagged hardware unit growth for the Wii and DS. In our view, this indicates that Nintendo’s customers either are not finding enough software to satisfy their needs, or need less software than the typical Sony or Microsoft customer. ...software attach rates for the Wii continue to decline, and publishers appear to be reluctant to support the console as broadly as the other two, notwithstanding its huge lead in installed base. We think that Nintendo will continue to dominate sales on its console, with its first-rate lineup of games, but fear that other publishers have prematurely abandoned the very large Wii audience, and see further year-over-year software sales declines for the Wii for the next several months. These declines will make year-over-year industry sales growth difficult to achieve." - Wedbush analyst Michael Pachter

http://www.industrygamers.com/news/wii-being-prematurely-abandoned-by-publishers-says-pachter/

... no?



Around the Network

Doooooooooooom!



Above: still the best game of the year.

I would agree with him if it didn't matter what game you buy. If the only remarkable release Wii had this quarter was Super Mario Galaxy 2 (and Monster Hunter 3) how did he expect Wii software to do extremely well? While Xbox 360 and PS3 had Red Dead Redemption for example...they're doing better than we but he chose the wrong month to make this statement, the percentage are just wrong, like saying the Xbox is selling 200k per week when it has just now and for few weeks!



CURRENTLY PLAYING: Xenoblade (Wii), Super mario 3D land (3DS), Guild Wars (PC)

 

Well, for once Pachter isn't making asinine predictions, he seems to be stating negative sales data for the Wii over the last year.

Which, of course, is the way the last few Nintendo consoles have gone.  System launches successfully, system gets decent 3rd party support and attention, Nintendo fans refuse to buy games or support 3rd party efforts, 3rd party companies abandon sinking ship.

The casual audience that bought the Wii as a barely-used fad doesn't help things.  For as high as the sales are for the Wii, individual game sales should be much higher to match.



i love attach rates and percentages arguments used.  do they think we are morons?

lets use simple numbers for showing of game sales (purely fictional, just proving  a point)

Nintendo: 100 games in 09' and 90 games in 10'

Sony & MS: 25 games in 09' and 50 games in 10'

oh look both Sony and Microsoft improved software sales by 100%, while Nintendo declined by 10%

Now onto attach rates

Nintendo has 75 million Wii's sold and has sold 750 million software units.  Attach rate = 10:1

Sony & MS has 50 million of their consoles each sold and has sold 750 million software each units.  Attach rate = 15:1

Percentages and attach rate mean shit.  Its actual numbers.  A developter would chose concrete numbers over % or AR all the time.  If you sell 5 million of your game, that is it, you sold 5 million.  Congrats.  Who gives a shit if that 5 million on PS3 means the attach rate is higher, due to less hardware out there versus Wii.  5 million is 5 million regardless of other factors.



Around the Network
irstupid said:

i love attach rates and percentages arguments used.  do they think we are morons?

lets use simple numbers for showing of game sales (purely fictional, just proving  a point)

Nintendo: 100 games in 09' and 90 games in 10'

Sony & MS: 25 games in 09' and 50 games in 10'

oh look both Sony and Microsoft improved software sales by 100%, while Nintendo declined by 10%

Now onto attach rates

Nintendo has 75 million Wii's sold and has sold 750 million software units.  Attach rate = 10:1

Sony & MS has 50 million of their consoles each sold and has sold 750 million software each units.  Attach rate = 15:1

Percentages and attach rate mean shit.  Its actual numbers.  A developter would chose concrete numbers over % or AR all the time.  If you sell 5 million of your game, that is it, you sold 5 million.  Congrats.  Who gives a shit if that 5 million on PS3 means the attach rate is higher, due to less hardware out there versus Wii.  5 million is 5 million regardless of other factors.

Pretty much /thread

LOL



CURRENTLY PLAYING: Xenoblade (Wii), Super mario 3D land (3DS), Guild Wars (PC)

 

The title of this thread is terribly misleading. I thought it's just Pachter's typcial Nintendo bashing , but this time he has a point. He's not saying Wii developers should "abandon" the Wii.



updated: 14.01.2012

playing right now: Xenoblade Chronicles

Hype-o-meter, from least to most hyped:  the Last Story, Twisted Metal, Mass Effect 3, Final Fantasy XIII-2, Final Fantasy Versus XIII, Playstation ViTA

bet with Mordred11 that Rage will look better on Xbox 360.

Resident_Hazard said:

Well, for once Pachter isn't making asinine predictions, he seems to be stating negative sales data for the Wii over the last year.

Which, of course, is the way the last few Nintendo consoles have gone.  System launches successfully, system gets decent 3rd party support and attention, Nintendo fans refuse to buy games or support 3rd party efforts, 3rd party companies abandon sinking ship.

The casual audience that bought the Wii as a barely-used fad doesn't help things.  For as high as the sales are for the Wii, individual game sales should be much higher to match.


Oh boy, not one of those guys again... ¬¬



Above: still the best game of the year.

irstupid said:

i love attach rates and percentages arguments used.  do they think we are morons?

lets use simple numbers for showing of game sales (purely fictional, just proving  a point)

Nintendo: 100 games in 09' and 90 games in 10'

Sony & MS: 25 games in 09' and 50 games in 10'

oh look both Sony and Microsoft improved software sales by 100%, while Nintendo declined by 10%

Now onto attach rates

Nintendo has 75 million Wii's sold and has sold 750 million software units.  Attach rate = 10:1

Sony & MS has 50 million of their consoles each sold and has sold 750 million software each units.  Attach rate = 15:1

Percentages and attach rate mean shit.  Its actual numbers.  A developter would chose concrete numbers over % or AR all the time.  If you sell 5 million of your game, that is it, you sold 5 million.  Congrats.  Who gives a shit if that 5 million on PS3 means the attach rate is higher, due to less hardware out there versus Wii.  5 million is 5 million regardless of other factors.


Thank You for having common sense. They tried this once before about which system users are connect online more. Saying the Wii was dead last. The PS3 and 360 had like over 70% while the Wii online had 53%. 53% Percentage of the 70 million plus user base is still more people online. Compared to 70% of 40 million and 70% of 35.



 

Just because someone is saying something different. Doesn't mean their point of view is right!

Member Of The Wii Squad: Warriors of Light!

One of the 4 Yonkou of Youtube aka Wii Warlords. Other Members include ThaBlackBaron, Shokio, and Cardy.

RolStoppable said:
Beuli2 said:
Resident_Hazard said:

Well, for once Pachter isn't making asinine predictions, he seems to be stating negative sales data for the Wii over the last year.

Which, of course, is the way the last few Nintendo consoles have gone.  System launches successfully, system gets decent 3rd party support and attention, Nintendo fans refuse to buy games or support 3rd party efforts, 3rd party companies abandon sinking ship.

The casual audience that bought the Wii as a barely-used fad doesn't help things.  For as high as the sales are for the Wii, individual game sales should be much higher to match.

Oh boy, not one of those guys again... ¬¬

You don't like jokes?

Not in frydays.



Above: still the best game of the year.