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Hyruken on 29 June 2010
huaxiong90 said:
Hyruken said:
aragod said:
Hyruken said:
aragod said:
Hyruken said:

The problem with Japan is it's sales for this gens games overall have been pretty dissapointing. Japan has always been the weakest region for both GT and Halo so i would not expect that to change for either title.

Only one PS3 game has sold over 1m there (FFXIII) the rest are far far away from that. The next title is MGS4 on 700k. Only 7 games have sold above 500k in Japan this gen. So i think with GT5 it is hard to predict. GT4 only just sold 1m on PS2 there. If MGS4 couldn't break 1m i don't think GT5 will either. Personally i think GT5 will sell 3m in US, 4m in others and 1m in Japan. Reach will sell 7m in US, 3m in others and 100k in Japan.

Someone didn't check his data, GT Prologue sold what MGS4 did in Japan and that's the best selling PS3 game after FFXIII. And that's the demo. The demo that outsold Halo 3 ODST almost 5:1 there.

These are the Japanese numbers http://www.vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?name=&publisher=&console=PS3&genre=&minSales=0&results=50&sort=Japan

Think you owe me an apology :)

http://www.polyphony.co.jp/english/list.html these are the real numbers, including digital downloads, which aren't beeing tracked by VGChartz (as of March 2010) - 740 000 in Japan alone.

GT5 Prologue (demo) - 740 000 vs 190 000 - Halo 3 Halo 3 ODST

That's basicaly 4:1 ratio. So this time no apology :).


Interesting. They have Prologue at almost 5m units worldwide. Meaning VGC has under-tracked it by nearly 40%.

Think i will stick with VGC figures thanks :)


And there goes your credibility.

 

I hate to be rude, but I think it's pretty easy to figure out that VGC figures aren't including downloads. And honestly, I think you know that, but are just grasping at straws, because your narrow mind can't stomach such numbers.

 

Seriously, just stop trying. I've ignored your fallacious logic before, but this is just ridiculous.


Wow, if i said that i would be hit with the ban hammer no doubt.

As for the narrow minded rant, what the feck are you even talking about? Because i use Vgc figures (you know the website we are on?) i must be narrow minded? Hate to be the one to break it to you bud but software companies do not always track the correct sales, why do you think they use NPD? Of course i know they were downloads. I use Vgc figures. If you want to start using download figures then by all means do that. That will of course help the sales figures to increase. While your there tell me the Halo download figures. Oh right you can't.....That is what is called grasping at straws. If i wanted to be all petty about it like you i could mention that prologue cost around £12-£19. Halo 3 and ODST were full price titles at £39 .
Meaning for the price of one Halo you could get 3 prologues. And about the fallacious logic. I said right now in US Halo is at 4 to 1 over GT5 in pre-orders. That is TRUE. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it wrong.

But hey whatever.



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Solid_Snake4RD on 29 June 2010
Hyruken said:
huaxiong90 said:
Hyruken said:
aragod said:
Hyruken said:
aragod said:
Hyruken said:

The problem with Japan is it's sales for this gens games overall have been pretty dissapointing. Japan has always been the weakest region for both GT and Halo so i would not expect that to change for either title.

Only one PS3 game has sold over 1m there (FFXIII) the rest are far far away from that. The next title is MGS4 on 700k. Only 7 games have sold above 500k in Japan this gen. So i think with GT5 it is hard to predict. GT4 only just sold 1m on PS2 there. If MGS4 couldn't break 1m i don't think GT5 will either. Personally i think GT5 will sell 3m in US, 4m in others and 1m in Japan. Reach will sell 7m in US, 3m in others and 100k in Japan.

Someone didn't check his data, GT Prologue sold what MGS4 did in Japan and that's the best selling PS3 game after FFXIII. And that's the demo. The demo that outsold Halo 3 ODST almost 5:1 there.

These are the Japanese numbers http://www.vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?name=&publisher=&console=PS3&genre=&minSales=0&results=50&sort=Japan

Think you owe me an apology :)

http://www.polyphony.co.jp/english/list.html these are the real numbers, including digital downloads, which aren't beeing tracked by VGChartz (as of March 2010) - 740 000 in Japan alone.

GT5 Prologue (demo) - 740 000 vs 190 000 - Halo 3 Halo 3 ODST

That's basicaly 4:1 ratio. So this time no apology :).


Interesting. They have Prologue at almost 5m units worldwide. Meaning VGC has under-tracked it by nearly 40%.

Think i will stick with VGC figures thanks :)


And there goes your credibility.

 

I hate to be rude, but I think it's pretty easy to figure out that VGC figures aren't including downloads. And honestly, I think you know that, but are just grasping at straws, because your narrow mind can't stomach such numbers.

 

Seriously, just stop trying. I've ignored your fallacious logic before, but this is just ridiculous.


Wow, if i said that i would be hit with the ban hammer no doubt.

As for the narrow minded rant, what the feck are you even talking about? Because i use Vgc figures (you know the website we are on?) i must be narrow minded? Hate to be the one to break it to you bud but software companies do not always track the correct sales, why do you think they use NPD? Of course i know they were downloads. I use Vgc figures. If you want to start using download figures then by all means do that. That will of course help the sales figures to increase. While your there tell me the Halo download figures. Oh right you can't.....That is what is called grasping at straws. If i wanted to be all petty about it like you i could mention that prologue cost around £12-£19. Halo 3 and ODST were full price titles at £39 .
Meaning for the price of one Halo you could get 3 prologues. And about the fallacious logic. I said right now in US Halo is at 4 to 1 over GT5 in pre-orders. That is TRUE. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it wrong.

But hey whatever.

yes its good to use VGC number but not when the publisher is displaying it,theirs will always be true unless they were a private company which SONY is not

PROLOGUE COST $40 and it was launched from start on PSN not like later on XBL which will have low sales

 

and you didn't just say REACH is 4:1 to GT5 but also you were saying and comparing to it like the actual sales will be 4:1,if you didn't then why even compare them which you did



aragod on 30 June 2010
Hyruken said:
huaxiong90 said:
Hyruken said:
aragod said:
Hyruken said:
aragod said:
Hyruken said:

The problem with Japan is it's sales for this gens games overall have been pretty dissapointing. Japan has always been the weakest region for both GT and Halo so i would not expect that to change for either title.

Only one PS3 game has sold over 1m there (FFXIII) the rest are far far away from that. The next title is MGS4 on 700k. Only 7 games have sold above 500k in Japan this gen. So i think with GT5 it is hard to predict. GT4 only just sold 1m on PS2 there. If MGS4 couldn't break 1m i don't think GT5 will either. Personally i think GT5 will sell 3m in US, 4m in others and 1m in Japan. Reach will sell 7m in US, 3m in others and 100k in Japan.

Someone didn't check his data, GT Prologue sold what MGS4 did in Japan and that's the best selling PS3 game after FFXIII. And that's the demo. The demo that outsold Halo 3 ODST almost 5:1 there.

These are the Japanese numbers http://www.vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?name=&publisher=&console=PS3&genre=&minSales=0&results=50&sort=Japan

Think you owe me an apology :)

http://www.polyphony.co.jp/english/list.html these are the real numbers, including digital downloads, which aren't beeing tracked by VGChartz (as of March 2010) - 740 000 in Japan alone.

GT5 Prologue (demo) - 740 000 vs 190 000 - Halo 3 Halo 3 ODST

That's basicaly 4:1 ratio. So this time no apology :).


Interesting. They have Prologue at almost 5m units worldwide. Meaning VGC has under-tracked it by nearly 40%.

Think i will stick with VGC figures thanks :)


And there goes your credibility.

 

I hate to be rude, but I think it's pretty easy to figure out that VGC figures aren't including downloads. And honestly, I think you know that, but are just grasping at straws, because your narrow mind can't stomach such numbers.

 

Seriously, just stop trying. I've ignored your fallacious logic before, but this is just ridiculous.


Wow, if i said that i would be hit with the ban hammer no doubt.

As for the narrow minded rant, what the feck are you even talking about? Because i use Vgc figures (you know the website we are on?) i must be narrow minded? Hate to be the one to break it to you bud but software companies do not always track the correct sales, why do you think they use NPD? Of course i know they were downloads. I use Vgc figures. If you want to start using download figures then by all means do that. That will of course help the sales figures to increase. While your there tell me the Halo download figures. Oh right you can't.....That is what is called grasping at straws. If i wanted to be all petty about it like you i could mention that prologue cost around £12-£19. Halo 3 and ODST were full price titles at £39 .
Meaning for the price of one Halo you could get 3 prologues. And about the fallacious logic. I said right now in US Halo is at 4 to 1 over GT5 in pre-orders. That is TRUE. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it wrong.

But hey whatever.

Stop embarasing yourself, the more you try to construct some fallacy, the more you fail. If I said that you are now catching at straws would be undermining the situation, as you are basically already drowned.

What does it matter that you are on this site, did you agreed to some terms of use which forbids you to use logical thinking while beeing here?

Even today, Prologue costs a little over 35€ in Europe, Greatest hits collection is around 15€, where all Halo versions are under 15€. So no, you won't get 3 prologues for the price of one Halo, it's actually the other way around. So please keep making up stuff and bury all your credibility for times to come.

Halo was released on XBL marketplace in 2010, which is how many years after the release? OH RIGHT!

Also Halo 3 from XBL is having technical problems, while beeing twice the price of the retail game.

Fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail.



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Hyruken on 30 June 2010

Think some of you guy's need to relax, listen to yourselves. Your saying i am embarassing myself because i did not include download figures from a different website. Well sorry that i did not know that prologues numbers on here were not downloads, sorry that i did not know that vgc is wrong and the right figures are over on Sony's website etc etc. In future from now on i will do extensive research in the lab and ring up every person whoever bought a game just to confirm those are the right sales, that should avoid embarrasment right?

As for the rest of it your talking bollocks. Prologue was always a discount title, it was never released as full price. I got it in it's first week for £19.99. As i said it price ranges. Here are a few links to proove that

http://www.game.co.uk/Games/PlayStation-3/Racing/Gran-Turismo-5-Prologue-Platinum/~r341520/?s=gran turismo

http://hmv.com/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=280;0;-1;-1;-1&sku=913928

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B001NMUGXU/ref=asc_df_B001NMUGXU699188?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&tag=googlecouk06-21&linkCode=asn&creative=7974&creativeASIN=B001NMUGXU

As i said ranges from £12-£19. But i was wrong, my bad. Amazon sell it for £11.

The difference is Prologue STARTED at around those prices (19.99). Halo didn't. The point of the downloads thing which you obviously missed was if your going to take one games downloads into account then at least do the same for the rest of the list. You might call that "fallacy", i would call it being fair. I have no idea how many Halo's were downloaded, in truth i could not care less. But there would of been downloads for them, you don't know those figures, to ignore them again just makes what your saying look biased.

Look at what your arguing about. The fact that i said Halo is selling at 4 to 1 over GT5 in US based on preorders. That must have really hit a nerve for you to get so wound up!



aragod on 30 June 2010
Hyruken said:

Think some of you guy's need to relax, listen to yourselves. Your saying i am embarassing myself because i did not include download figures from a different website. Well sorry that i did not know that prologues numbers on here were not downloads, sorry that i did not know that vgc is wrong and the right figures are over on Sony's website etc etc. In future from now on i will do extensive research in the lab and ring up every person whoever bought a game just to confirm those are the right sales, that should avoid embarrasment right?

As for the rest of it your talking bollocks. Prologue was always a discount title, it was never released as full price. I got it in it's first week for £19.99. As i said it price ranges. Here are a few links to proove that

http://www.game.co.uk/Games/PlayStation-3/Racing/Gran-Turismo-5-Prologue-Platinum/~r341520/?s=gran turismo

http://hmv.com/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=280;0;-1;-1;-1&sku=913928

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B001NMUGXU/ref=asc_df_B001NMUGXU699188?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&tag=googlecouk06-21&linkCode=asn&creative=7974&creativeASIN=B001NMUGXU

As i said ranges from £12-£19. But i was wrong, my bad. Amazon sell it for £11.

The difference is Prologue STARTED at around those prices (19.99). Halo didn't. The point of the downloads thing which you obviously missed was if your going to take one games downloads into account then at least do the same for the rest of the list. You might call that "fallacy", i would call it being fair. I have no idea how many Halo's were downloaded, in truth i could not care less. But there would of been downloads for them, you don't know those figures, to ignore them again just makes what your saying look biased.

Look at what your arguing about. The fact that i said Halo is selling at 4 to 1 over GT5 in US based on preorders. That must have really hit a nerve for you to get so wound up!

The problem is that you are still spewing out BS, instead of backing off and trying to keep atleast some dignity you are still trying so hard and still doing the same mistakes.

I see you are a huge amazon fan, so let's shut you up for good:

Gran Turismo 5 Prologue - £32.59 TODAY (2 years after release)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gran-Turismo-5-Prologue-PS3/dp/B000E69YGQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1277904982&sr=8-2

Gran Turismo 5 Prologue Platinum Edition - £11.95 (Platinum edition is kind of bestsellers re-release) 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gran-Turismo-5-Prologue-PS3/dp/B000E69YGQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1277904982&sr=8-2

Prologue didn't start at £19.99, that was the price for the re-released greatest hits edition (Platinum Titles). Prologue therefor wasn't allways discounted title, you are the one talking bollocks and grasping at straws. Now you've been schooled so many times that it's getting boring.



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Buzzi on 30 June 2010

Someone change the thread title, this is the Halo vs GT war thread!



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jarrod on 30 June 2010

lol @ using Sony shipped GT5P figures against 3rd party tracked Halo numbers.  As if shipped vs sold wasn't bad enough, there's also the fact that you can also download Halo 3, and those numbers aren't figured either. 

You all realize that SCE basically gave away 300k copies of GT5P in Japan, right?  And according to trackers, it only actually sold ~250k at retail?



Hyruken on 30 June 2010
aragod said:
Hyruken said:

Think some of you guy's need to relax, listen to yourselves. Your saying i am embarassing myself because i did not include download figures from a different website. Well sorry that i did not know that prologues numbers on here were not downloads, sorry that i did not know that vgc is wrong and the right figures are over on Sony's website etc etc. In future from now on i will do extensive research in the lab and ring up every person whoever bought a game just to confirm those are the right sales, that should avoid embarrasment right?

As for the rest of it your talking bollocks. Prologue was always a discount title, it was never released as full price. I got it in it's first week for £19.99. As i said it price ranges. Here are a few links to proove that

http://www.game.co.uk/Games/PlayStation-3/Racing/Gran-Turismo-5-Prologue-Platinum/~r341520/?s=gran turismo

http://hmv.com/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=280;0;-1;-1;-1&sku=913928

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B001NMUGXU/ref=asc_df_B001NMUGXU699188?smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&tag=googlecouk06-21&linkCode=asn&creative=7974&creativeASIN=B001NMUGXU

As i said ranges from £12-£19. But i was wrong, my bad. Amazon sell it for £11.

The difference is Prologue STARTED at around those prices (19.99). Halo didn't. The point of the downloads thing which you obviously missed was if your going to take one games downloads into account then at least do the same for the rest of the list. You might call that "fallacy", i would call it being fair. I have no idea how many Halo's were downloaded, in truth i could not care less. But there would of been downloads for them, you don't know those figures, to ignore them again just makes what your saying look biased.

Look at what your arguing about. The fact that i said Halo is selling at 4 to 1 over GT5 in US based on preorders. That must have really hit a nerve for you to get so wound up!

The problem is that you are still spewing out BS, instead of backing off and trying to keep atleast some dignity you are still trying so hard and still doing the same mistakes.

I see you are a huge amazon fan, so let's shut you up for good:

Gran Turismo 5 Prologue - £32.59 TODAY (2 years after release)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gran-Turismo-5-Prologue-PS3/dp/B000E69YGQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1277904982&sr=8-2

Gran Turismo 5 Prologue Platinum Edition - £11.95 (Platinum edition is kind of bestsellers re-release) 

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gran-Turismo-5-Prologue-PS3/dp/B000E69YGQ/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1277904982&sr=8-2

Prologue didn't start at £19.99, that was the price for the re-released greatest hits edition (Platinum Titles). Prologue therefor wasn't allways discounted title, you are the one talking bollocks and grasping at straws. Now you've been schooled so many times that it's getting boring.


Seriously you are making no sense at all. You just linked Amazon saying it was £32 then linked the one i linked saying it was £11....How does that make what i say wrong? I mean come on now your just arguing for the sake of arguing. Your claiming i am talking BS but yet you just supported what i said....

The non platinum Prologue i doubt is sold much anymore. But after a bit of research into it i have found a few places that do still at least have that version up on the website

http://shop.gameplay.co.uk/webstore/productpage.asp?productcode=PX0174&title=gran_turismo_5_prologue

http://www.thehut.com/games/platforms/ps3/gran-turismo-5-prologue/9958260.html?utm_source=googleprod&utm_medium=gp&utm_campaign=gp_games

http://www.shopto.net/PS3/VIDEO GAMES/PS3GR01-Gran Turismo 5 Prologue Platinum.html

http://gamestation.co.uk/Games/PlayStation-3/Racing/Gran-Turismo-5-Prologue/~r407624/?d=1z13fwhZ1z13fu4

None of them are above £18.....

What i find even more funny is your attack saying i am wrong that Prologue was not a full price title.....How quick you are to bash me and say i am wrong/scrapping the barrel/embarrasing myself etc.. As the old saying goes if your going to bash someone at least be right with what your bashing them about! Here is Sony's blog confirming prologues price....

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2008/01/29/gran-turismo-5-prologue-priced-and-dated/

$39. Or £26. Which by my maths is quite a way short of the full price you claim. So thanks for the schooling, but i prefer to be taught by someone who actually knows what they are talking about.

So that means you were wrong about the 4 to 1 ratio being false. Wrong about prologues price now, wrong about prologues initial price, Jarod just pointed out your wrong about the shipped/downloaded figures. And you say i am embarassed?

As i said before. For the love of god do us all a favour and take your biased replies elsewhere. Your scrapping the barrel trying to get as many numbers for GT5 as you can while ignoring all the others. What will you add next, the amount of people who picked up a Prologue box to look at the back?!



huaxiong90 on 30 June 2010
jarrod said:

lol @ using Sony shipped GT5P figures against 3rd party tracked Halo numbers.  As if shipped vs sold wasn't bad enough, there's also the fact that you can also download Halo 3, and those numbers aren't figured either. 

You all realize that SCE basically gave away 300k copies of GT5P in Japan, right?  And according to trackers, it only actually sold ~250k at retail?


Again, when was Halo 3 released on the marketplace? And if you look at the sales of previous titles and compare them to Polyphony's numbers, they're actually very close.

 

@Hyruken: To respond to your query about the fallacious logic, then no, it's not about the main argument, as I don't give 2 shits about it (nice try, though), it's just about your logic of calling bullshit on a publisher's numbers, when it's easy to figure out that PSN sales aren't accounted for here.

 

Edit: Ok, this is getting too heated, so I'll just end it here.

Edit 2: Actually before I go, know this: If what I said was over the line, I would be moderated like anybody else. Please don't give me this rubbish that the mods are lenient on "Sony fans" (and I'm not a Sony fanboy either).



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Hyruken on 30 June 2010
huaxiong90 said:
jarrod said:

lol @ using Sony shipped GT5P figures against 3rd party tracked Halo numbers.  As if shipped vs sold wasn't bad enough, there's also the fact that you can also download Halo 3, and those numbers aren't figured either. 

You all realize that SCE basically gave away 300k copies of GT5P in Japan, right?  And according to trackers, it only actually sold ~250k at retail?


Again, when was Halo 3 released on the marketplace? And if you look at the sales of previous titles and compare them to Polyphony's numbers, they're actually very close.

 

@Hyruken: To respond to your query about the fallacious logic, then no, it's not about the main argument, as I don't give 2 shits about it (nice try, though), it's just about your logic of calling bullshit on a publisher's numbers, when it's easy to figure out that PSN sales aren't accounted for here.


Fair enough, why didn't you just say that then go off one some sort of nerd rage crusade? I am not a mind reader!

As i said in my post before the flameballs came raining down. I was talking about VGC numbers. Anytime a software company talks about sales i take it with a pinch of salt. Because as Jaord pointed out shipped numbers will always be higher then sold. If MS said Halo 3 shipped 15m i would not take that to mean sold. IS that not what we do on this website? If someone say's they shipped 30m consoles do we add those figures to the console totals? No we don't. So that logic which you call fallacious in my opinion is normal logic.

Sure there will be higher figures due to downloads. But that is a whole different thing. You can't bash me for not including them and that is what you did. I used VGC numbers, that is all i did and you went of on one that i didn't include downloads!