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selnor said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
selnor said:
zero129 said:
welshbloke said:
selnor said:
EncodedNybble said:

I would like to wager money, but can't actually ;)  So, what are the usual wagers on here, I put up a particular signature for a set period of time?


Sounds good. I realise now that 6 months is a long time. And that even 1 sale makes me lose. ROFL.

But I wont back out. I'm a man. :)

Being a man does not make this wager a fair one. He changed the rules on you. 1 week sales does not maketh a comeback. I would haggle for something a little bit more realistic as you will be hammered by the slightlest glitch but you point will still be valid.

Yep if i was you id keep to the bet that 360 total sales for the next 6 months will be above ps3, and 1 week of sales etc does not count but total sales, of every month from now till the end of the year.

Yeah lol. I know it's a lose for me. GT5 week should do it, unless Kinect release is then. Then I think 360 will stay on top. But hey, it's only fun. As long as the bet doesnt include changing my Lewis pic. ;)

i hate that lewis image as i don't like lewis or his smile

MASSA,ALONE the way to go

anybody betting SELNOR make that change

LOL. I like the kid. Obviously for his talent. Alonso to. I wont say much about sports personalities. Because to me thats a sad thing. None of us know them personally, and thats like judging a book by the cover. His smile is opinion I guess. 

But if you love the sport you cant deny Lewis is a very talented man.

i follow formaula 1 alot si i know

anyways i don't like people with a grin and his smile kind of looks like it

 

for a talent standpoint,he is talented

 

but i don't like the guy

as he is only good with a great car,not a skilled driver like ALONSO,VETTEL.more like KIMI where you give him a good car and he will win the race

also he drives rash,people say thats because he is BRAVE but thats bullshit when going into a corner he doesn't back off and makes the other one does,if the other one holds his ground,then LEWIS spoils both driver's race by crashing into the other car

 

about changing your pic

 

i didn't like LEWIS and your older posts near FORZA3-ALAN WAKE period biased threads claiming "best looking graphics ever" and that title made you more negative.but now you have cooled down

 

but anyways i would want to see a better pic and continue your posts like they are now



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Solid_Snake4RD said:
selnor said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
selnor said:
zero129 said:
welshbloke said:
selnor said:
EncodedNybble said:

I would like to wager money, but can't actually ;)  So, what are the usual wagers on here, I put up a particular signature for a set period of time?


Sounds good. I realise now that 6 months is a long time. And that even 1 sale makes me lose. ROFL.

But I wont back out. I'm a man. :)

Being a man does not make this wager a fair one. He changed the rules on you. 1 week sales does not maketh a comeback. I would haggle for something a little bit more realistic as you will be hammered by the slightlest glitch but you point will still be valid.

Yep if i was you id keep to the bet that 360 total sales for the next 6 months will be above ps3, and 1 week of sales etc does not count but total sales, of every month from now till the end of the year.

Yeah lol. I know it's a lose for me. GT5 week should do it, unless Kinect release is then. Then I think 360 will stay on top. But hey, it's only fun. As long as the bet doesnt include changing my Lewis pic. ;)

i hate that lewis image as i don't like lewis or his smile

MASSA,ALONE the way to go

anybody betting SELNOR make that change

LOL. I like the kid. Obviously for his talent. Alonso to. I wont say much about sports personalities. Because to me thats a sad thing. None of us know them personally, and thats like judging a book by the cover. His smile is opinion I guess. 

But if you love the sport you cant deny Lewis is a very talented man.

i follow formaula 1 alot si i know

anyways i don't like people with a grin and his smile kind of looks like it

 

for a talent standpoint,he is talented

 

but i don't like the guy

as he is only good with a great car,not a skilled driver like ALONSO,VETTEL.more like KIMI where you give him a good car and he will win the race

also he drives rash,people say thats because he is BRAVE but thats bullshit when going into a corner he doesn't back off and makes the other one does,if the other one holds his ground,then LEWIS spoils both driver's race by crashing into the other car

 

about changing your pic

 

i didn't like LEWIS and your older posts near FORZA3-ALAN WAKE period biased threads claiming "best looking graphics ever" and that title made you more negative.but now you have cooled down

 

but anyways i would want to see a better pic and continue your posts like they are now

:)

On the Lewis subject I believe many get this very wrong. 

Ive watched F1 for a very long time. And you may have as well. SO I'll just point out a few things.

Schui, Senna, Prost among others are proclaimed and always talked about as the greats of Formula 1. The most talented drivers ever.

Now many people forget, that Prost, Senna and Schui are the most controversial and penalised drivers in F1 history. Lewis actually isnt even close in terms of braveness claims. If people nowadays view Lewis driving as gung ho, then they would have been calling Senna, Prost and Schui to be banned back in the day.

Many drivers in F1 today have become soft. And to soft. These guys are racing. Yes there is rules, but the idea is to race to the very edge of those rules. In recent years, Lewis overtaking from a professional point of view has been very impressive. Of course he's made a few errors, they all have. Alonso has done much worse in his career in dodgy moves than Lewis and Vettel well I'll come to him in a moment.

IMO the greats of todays F1 are 2 drivers. Alonso and Lewis. Then theres the rest. Pure talent I'm talking.

On the subject of Lewis only doing well in a good car. Last year is a prime example of Lewis doing well in a very poor car. The first half of the season Lewis car was 2 secs behind the front runners raw pace. Yet he had podiums. The second half of the season Lewis car was 0.8 secs behind the front runners in raw pace. Yet Lewis scored more points than any other driver in the second half of the season. 

Lewis proved last year just how good he was in an absolute dog of a car.

Ok. Vettel. This guy is not that talented. He is quick over a quali lap. And can definately win from the front. But this guy doesnt have great race skills. He has caused 4 accidents trying to overtake in the last 2 seasons. He has a real issue of composure in the heat of an overtaking moment. And alot of the time wont bother to make an attempt when Alonso or Lewis have taken the same car 3 laps prior. He'll sit there in his fastest car of the entire grid and not overtake when others in worse cars will overtake and make it stick. 

Vettel isnt a full package. Will he ever get the composed race craft needed to win from alot of overtaking. I dont think so. Alonso and Lewis are very capable of doing that. Lewis and Alonso are a class different from the rest.

When Lewis and Alonso follow a car, you expect an attempt. When Vettel follows a car, you dont expect anything. That says alot.



selnor said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
selnor said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
selnor said:
zero129 said:
welshbloke said:
selnor said:
EncodedNybble said:

I would like to wager money, but can't actually ;)  So, what are the usual wagers on here, I put up a particular signature for a set period of time?


Sounds good. I realise now that 6 months is a long time. And that even 1 sale makes me lose. ROFL.

But I wont back out. I'm a man. :)

Being a man does not make this wager a fair one. He changed the rules on you. 1 week sales does not maketh a comeback. I would haggle for something a little bit more realistic as you will be hammered by the slightlest glitch but you point will still be valid.

Yep if i was you id keep to the bet that 360 total sales for the next 6 months will be above ps3, and 1 week of sales etc does not count but total sales, of every month from now till the end of the year.

Yeah lol. I know it's a lose for me. GT5 week should do it, unless Kinect release is then. Then I think 360 will stay on top. But hey, it's only fun. As long as the bet doesnt include changing my Lewis pic. ;)

i hate that lewis image as i don't like lewis or his smile

MASSA,ALONE the way to go

anybody betting SELNOR make that change

LOL. I like the kid. Obviously for his talent. Alonso to. I wont say much about sports personalities. Because to me thats a sad thing. None of us know them personally, and thats like judging a book by the cover. His smile is opinion I guess. 

But if you love the sport you cant deny Lewis is a very talented man.

i follow formaula 1 alot si i know

anyways i don't like people with a grin and his smile kind of looks like it

 

for a talent standpoint,he is talented

 

but i don't like the guy

as he is only good with a great car,not a skilled driver like ALONSO,VETTEL.more like KIMI where you give him a good car and he will win the race

also he drives rash,people say thats because he is BRAVE but thats bullshit when going into a corner he doesn't back off and makes the other one does,if the other one holds his ground,then LEWIS spoils both driver's race by crashing into the other car

 

about changing your pic

 

i didn't like LEWIS and your older posts near FORZA3-ALAN WAKE period biased threads claiming "best looking graphics ever" and that title made you more negative.but now you have cooled down

 

but anyways i would want to see a better pic and continue your posts like they are now

:)

On the Lewis subject I believe many get this very wrong. 

Ive watched F1 for a very long time. And you may have as well. SO I'll just point out a few things.

Schui, Senna, Prost among others are proclaimed and always talked about as the greats of Formula 1. The most talented drivers ever.

Now many people forget, that Prost, Senna and Schui are the most controversial and penalised drivers in F1 history. Lewis actually isnt even close in terms of braveness claims. If people nowadays view Lewis driving as gung ho, then they would have been calling Senna, Prost and Schui to be banned back in the day.

Many drivers in F1 today have become soft. And to soft. These guys are racing. Yes there is rules, but the idea is to race to the very edge of those rules. In recent years, Lewis overtaking from a professional point of view has been very impressive. Of course he's made a few errors, they all have. Alonso has done much worse in his career in dodgy moves than Lewis and Vettel well I'll come to him in a moment.

IMO the greats of todays F1 are 2 drivers. Alonso and Lewis. Then theres the rest. Pure talent I'm talking.

On the subject of Lewis only doing well in a good car. Last year is a prime example of Lewis doing well in a very poor car. The first half of the season Lewis car was 2 secs behind the front runners raw pace. Yet he had podiums. The second half of the season Lewis car was 0.8 secs behind the front runners in raw pace. Yet Lewis scored more points than any other driver in the second half of the season. 

Lewis proved last year just how good he was in an absolute dog of a car.

Ok. Vettel. This guy is not that talented. He is quick over a quali lap. And can definately win from the front. But this guy doesnt have great race skills. He has caused 4 accidents trying to overtake in the last 2 seasons. He has a real issue of composure in the heat of an overtaking moment. And alot of the time wont bother to make an attempt when Alonso or Lewis have taken the same car 3 laps prior. He'll sit there in his fastest car of the entire grid and not overtake when others in worse cars will overtake and make it stick. 

Vettel isnt a full package. Will he ever get the composed race craft needed to win from alot of overtaking. I dont think so. Alonso and Lewis are very capable of doing that. Lewis and Alonso are a class different from the rest.

When Lewis and Alonso follow a car, you expect an attempt. When Vettel follows a car, you dont expect anything. That says alot.

alonso makes an attempt but without jeopardizing other guys race,lewis is selfish in that area.its only one way,either he gets ahead or he gets both of them out of the race.as for Vettel he is a bit inexperienced and not matured but very talented as for lap times

 

ALONSO is a class apart.

LEWIS has to improve as he is no better than KIMI

massa is actually better than LEWIS overall

 

AND FOR SCHUMI,SENNA were overall drivers which could do well with a bad care,good lap times like perfect,take a good car to its limits.

 

as for LEWIS performance last year, i would not discuss it as last season was just a complete fail and didn't like it atall after FIA allowing diffusers which shouldn't have been allowed.

funny they banned KERS



Solid_Snake4RD said:
selnor said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
selnor said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
selnor said:
zero129 said:
welshbloke said:
selnor said:
EncodedNybble said:

I would like to wager money, but can't actually ;)  So, what are the usual wagers on here, I put up a particular signature for a set period of time?


Sounds good. I realise now that 6 months is a long time. And that even 1 sale makes me lose. ROFL.

But I wont back out. I'm a man. :)

Being a man does not make this wager a fair one. He changed the rules on you. 1 week sales does not maketh a comeback. I would haggle for something a little bit more realistic as you will be hammered by the slightlest glitch but you point will still be valid.

Yep if i was you id keep to the bet that 360 total sales for the next 6 months will be above ps3, and 1 week of sales etc does not count but total sales, of every month from now till the end of the year.

Yeah lol. I know it's a lose for me. GT5 week should do it, unless Kinect release is then. Then I think 360 will stay on top. But hey, it's only fun. As long as the bet doesnt include changing my Lewis pic. ;)

i hate that lewis image as i don't like lewis or his smile

MASSA,ALONE the way to go

anybody betting SELNOR make that change

LOL. I like the kid. Obviously for his talent. Alonso to. I wont say much about sports personalities. Because to me thats a sad thing. None of us know them personally, and thats like judging a book by the cover. His smile is opinion I guess. 

But if you love the sport you cant deny Lewis is a very talented man.

i follow formaula 1 alot si i know

anyways i don't like people with a grin and his smile kind of looks like it

 

for a talent standpoint,he is talented

 

but i don't like the guy

as he is only good with a great car,not a skilled driver like ALONSO,VETTEL.more like KIMI where you give him a good car and he will win the race

also he drives rash,people say thats because he is BRAVE but thats bullshit when going into a corner he doesn't back off and makes the other one does,if the other one holds his ground,then LEWIS spoils both driver's race by crashing into the other car

 

about changing your pic

 

i didn't like LEWIS and your older posts near FORZA3-ALAN WAKE period biased threads claiming "best looking graphics ever" and that title made you more negative.but now you have cooled down

 

but anyways i would want to see a better pic and continue your posts like they are now

:)

On the Lewis subject I believe many get this very wrong. 

Ive watched F1 for a very long time. And you may have as well. SO I'll just point out a few things.

Schui, Senna, Prost among others are proclaimed and always talked about as the greats of Formula 1. The most talented drivers ever.

Now many people forget, that Prost, Senna and Schui are the most controversial and penalised drivers in F1 history. Lewis actually isnt even close in terms of braveness claims. If people nowadays view Lewis driving as gung ho, then they would have been calling Senna, Prost and Schui to be banned back in the day.

Many drivers in F1 today have become soft. And to soft. These guys are racing. Yes there is rules, but the idea is to race to the very edge of those rules. In recent years, Lewis overtaking from a professional point of view has been very impressive. Of course he's made a few errors, they all have. Alonso has done much worse in his career in dodgy moves than Lewis and Vettel well I'll come to him in a moment.

IMO the greats of todays F1 are 2 drivers. Alonso and Lewis. Then theres the rest. Pure talent I'm talking.

On the subject of Lewis only doing well in a good car. Last year is a prime example of Lewis doing well in a very poor car. The first half of the season Lewis car was 2 secs behind the front runners raw pace. Yet he had podiums. The second half of the season Lewis car was 0.8 secs behind the front runners in raw pace. Yet Lewis scored more points than any other driver in the second half of the season. 

Lewis proved last year just how good he was in an absolute dog of a car.

Ok. Vettel. This guy is not that talented. He is quick over a quali lap. And can definately win from the front. But this guy doesnt have great race skills. He has caused 4 accidents trying to overtake in the last 2 seasons. He has a real issue of composure in the heat of an overtaking moment. And alot of the time wont bother to make an attempt when Alonso or Lewis have taken the same car 3 laps prior. He'll sit there in his fastest car of the entire grid and not overtake when others in worse cars will overtake and make it stick. 

Vettel isnt a full package. Will he ever get the composed race craft needed to win from alot of overtaking. I dont think so. Alonso and Lewis are very capable of doing that. Lewis and Alonso are a class different from the rest.

When Lewis and Alonso follow a car, you expect an attempt. When Vettel follows a car, you dont expect anything. That says alot.

alonso makes an attempt but without jeopardizing other guys race,lewis is selfish in that area.its only one way,either he gets ahead or he gets both of them out of the race.as for Vettel he is a bit inexperienced and not matured but very talented as for lap times

 

ALONSO is a class apart.

LEWIS has to improve as he is no better than KIMI

massa is actually better than LEWIS overall

 

AND FOR SCHUMI,SENNA were overall drivers which could do well with a bad care,good lap times like perfect,take a good car to its limits.

 

as for LEWIS performance last year, i would not discuss it as last season was just a complete fail and didn't like it atall after FIA allowing diffusers which shouldn't have been allowed.

funny they banned KERS

Lewis doesnt jepordize. Lewis races. I for one want that ot continue. It's how F1 used to be. It's very clear to see Lewis driving style and his ability is reminicesnt of those greats. I'm not saying he's as good. Hell he's only 24. But he certainly has the potential to be named alongside them. Lewis is in his 4th season. Vettel his 3rd. Any inexperienced claims should be also given to Lewis. 

Only once has Lewis made whats considered jepordizing both drivers in a passing move in F1. The other close calls are racing. I can think of at least 4 jepordizing moves from Alonso in hos career. But because they werent really recent they are forgotten. Kimi isn't anywhere near the talent of Lewis. Kimi was an ok driver at best. 

As for Alonso being better than Lewis. Well in Lewis first season he measured Alonso. I know some think there was this whole faveourites thing. But it's not true. Lewis was told 3 races to back off and settle for 2nd behind Alonso that year which he did. Even when he felt he was quicker. ( Monaco ). 

They finished 1 point apart in the same car. 

And you cannot ignore last year performance from Lewis just because you didnt like that season with the diffuser row. That makes it moreso impressive from Lewis. Scoring more points in the whole second half of the season without the amazing diffusers of the other fastest cars is testamont to how he can get the most out of any car. Just like the greats. Even in German magazines Lewis was given the award for driver of the year because of this.



deskpro2k3 said:
RaY_Z said:
deskpro2k3 said:
RaY_Z said:
deskpro2k3 said:
Seece said:
kowenicki said:
deskpro2k3 said:

only in america



I think you will find a few other countries follwoing suit soon

Never heard so many excuses in all my life


That is not an excuse, it was simply a comment.

A comment/excuse.

Comments can be excuses and vise versa buddy =)

dictionary time 101;

 

Comment: To make a remark.

Excuse: An explanation designed to avoid or alleviate guilt or negative judgement.

 

@ jneul

embeding that way still doesn't work. don't know what i'm doing wrong.

Exactly... Thats pretty much what "only in america" conveys...

an explanation designed to avoid or alleviate guilt or negative judgement

;)




One thing for sure is that you're hard of understanding. In what way was "only in america" came to be an explanation? It is a remark, now read the whole sentence instead of bolding out selected parts, and then try harder to get it in your thick skull.

 

 

ohhh getting personal now hey? ahhh lol... thats the sign of being a true fanboy...

feel sorry for you bud :)

ohhh yeah..

"only in america" - means that he implies that the 360 reigns "only in america"...

any idiot can see that (no offense)..

;)



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RaY_Z said:
deskpro2k3 said:
RaY_Z said:
deskpro2k3 said:
RaY_Z said:
deskpro2k3 said:
Seece said:
kowenicki said:
deskpro2k3 said:

only in america



I think you will find a few other countries follwoing suit soon

Never heard so many excuses in all my life


That is not an excuse, it was simply a comment.

A comment/excuse.

Comments can be excuses and vise versa buddy =)

dictionary time 101;

 

Comment: To make a remark.

Excuse: An explanation designed to avoid or alleviate guilt or negative judgement.

 

@ jneul

embeding that way still doesn't work. don't know what i'm doing wrong.

Exactly... Thats pretty much what "only in america" conveys...

an explanation designed to avoid or alleviate guilt or negative judgement

;)




One thing for sure is that you're hard of understanding. In what way was "only in america" came to be an explanation? It is a remark, now read the whole sentence instead of bolding out selected parts, and then try harder to get it in your thick skull.

 

 

ohhh getting personal now hey? ahhh lol... thats the sign of being a true fanboy...

feel sorry for you bud :)

ohhh yeah..

"only in america" - means that he implies that the 360 reigns "only in america"...

any idiot can see that (no offense)..

;)

Or there might be the slight part where 360s is only currently available in America?

Seems logical.



selnor said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
selnor said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
selnor said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
selnor said:
zero129 said:
welshbloke said:
selnor said:
EncodedNybble said:

I would like to wager money, but can't actually ;)  So, what are the usual wagers on here, I put up a particular signature for a set period of time?


Sounds good. I realise now that 6 months is a long time. And that even 1 sale makes me lose. ROFL.

But I wont back out. I'm a man. :)

Being a man does not make this wager a fair one. He changed the rules on you. 1 week sales does not maketh a comeback. I would haggle for something a little bit more realistic as you will be hammered by the slightlest glitch but you point will still be valid.

Yep if i was you id keep to the bet that 360 total sales for the next 6 months will be above ps3, and 1 week of sales etc does not count but total sales, of every month from now till the end of the year.

Yeah lol. I know it's a lose for me. GT5 week should do it, unless Kinect release is then. Then I think 360 will stay on top. But hey, it's only fun. As long as the bet doesnt include changing my Lewis pic. ;)

i hate that lewis image as i don't like lewis or his smile

MASSA,ALONE the way to go

anybody betting SELNOR make that change

LOL. I like the kid. Obviously for his talent. Alonso to. I wont say much about sports personalities. Because to me thats a sad thing. None of us know them personally, and thats like judging a book by the cover. His smile is opinion I guess. 

But if you love the sport you cant deny Lewis is a very talented man.

i follow formaula 1 alot si i know

anyways i don't like people with a grin and his smile kind of looks like it

 

for a talent standpoint,he is talented

 

but i don't like the guy

as he is only good with a great car,not a skilled driver like ALONSO,VETTEL.more like KIMI where you give him a good car and he will win the race

also he drives rash,people say thats because he is BRAVE but thats bullshit when going into a corner he doesn't back off and makes the other one does,if the other one holds his ground,then LEWIS spoils both driver's race by crashing into the other car

 

about changing your pic

 

i didn't like LEWIS and your older posts near FORZA3-ALAN WAKE period biased threads claiming "best looking graphics ever" and that title made you more negative.but now you have cooled down

 

but anyways i would want to see a better pic and continue your posts like they are now

:)

On the Lewis subject I believe many get this very wrong. 

Ive watched F1 for a very long time. And you may have as well. SO I'll just point out a few things.

Schui, Senna, Prost among others are proclaimed and always talked about as the greats of Formula 1. The most talented drivers ever.

Now many people forget, that Prost, Senna and Schui are the most controversial and penalised drivers in F1 history. Lewis actually isnt even close in terms of braveness claims. If people nowadays view Lewis driving as gung ho, then they would have been calling Senna, Prost and Schui to be banned back in the day.

Many drivers in F1 today have become soft. And to soft. These guys are racing. Yes there is rules, but the idea is to race to the very edge of those rules. In recent years, Lewis overtaking from a professional point of view has been very impressive. Of course he's made a few errors, they all have. Alonso has done much worse in his career in dodgy moves than Lewis and Vettel well I'll come to him in a moment.

IMO the greats of todays F1 are 2 drivers. Alonso and Lewis. Then theres the rest. Pure talent I'm talking.

On the subject of Lewis only doing well in a good car. Last year is a prime example of Lewis doing well in a very poor car. The first half of the season Lewis car was 2 secs behind the front runners raw pace. Yet he had podiums. The second half of the season Lewis car was 0.8 secs behind the front runners in raw pace. Yet Lewis scored more points than any other driver in the second half of the season. 

Lewis proved last year just how good he was in an absolute dog of a car.

Ok. Vettel. This guy is not that talented. He is quick over a quali lap. And can definately win from the front. But this guy doesnt have great race skills. He has caused 4 accidents trying to overtake in the last 2 seasons. He has a real issue of composure in the heat of an overtaking moment. And alot of the time wont bother to make an attempt when Alonso or Lewis have taken the same car 3 laps prior. He'll sit there in his fastest car of the entire grid and not overtake when others in worse cars will overtake and make it stick. 

Vettel isnt a full package. Will he ever get the composed race craft needed to win from alot of overtaking. I dont think so. Alonso and Lewis are very capable of doing that. Lewis and Alonso are a class different from the rest.

When Lewis and Alonso follow a car, you expect an attempt. When Vettel follows a car, you dont expect anything. That says alot.

alonso makes an attempt but without jeopardizing other guys race,lewis is selfish in that area.its only one way,either he gets ahead or he gets both of them out of the race.as for Vettel he is a bit inexperienced and not matured but very talented as for lap times

 

ALONSO is a class apart.

LEWIS has to improve as he is no better than KIMI

massa is actually better than LEWIS overall

 

AND FOR SCHUMI,SENNA were overall drivers which could do well with a bad care,good lap times like perfect,take a good car to its limits.

 

as for LEWIS performance last year, i would not discuss it as last season was just a complete fail and didn't like it atall after FIA allowing diffusers which shouldn't have been allowed.

funny they banned KERS

Lewis doesnt jepordize. Lewis races. I for one want that ot continue. It's how F1 used to be. It's very clear to see Lewis driving style and his ability is reminicesnt of those greats. I'm not saying he's as good. Hell he's only 24. But he certainly has the potential to be named alongside them. Lewis is in his 4th season. Vettel his 3rd. Any inexperienced claims should be also given to Lewis. 

racing doesn't always mean risks.its also about how slick you drive and how much time you make.i followed Schumi all those years and he didn't do any of those the way Lewis does now

Only once has Lewis made whats considered jepordizing both drivers in a passing move in F1. The other close calls are racing. I can think of at least 4 jepordizing moves from Alonso in hos career. But because they werent really recent they are forgotten. Kimi isn't anywhere near the talent of Lewis. Kimi was an ok driver at best. 

ALONSO has made bad moves but not so risky,i know he is a bit crackhead too

KIMI was one of the BIG ones,how can you say he wasn't that good.you gave him a good car and he would take every bit out of it.he just lost his passion after his F1 World championship win

As for Alonso being better than Lewis. Well in Lewis first season he measured Alonso. I know some think there was this whole faveourites thing. But it's not true. Lewis was told 3 races to back off and settle for 2nd behind Alonso that year which he did. Even when he felt he was quicker. ( Monaco ). 

They finished 1 point apart in the same car. 

don't talk about the year they were in the same team,there were alot of issues and LEWIS skill had less to do with ALONSO being close to him than the problems in the team

And you cannot ignore last year performance from Lewis just because you didnt like that season with the diffuser row. That makes it moreso impressive from Lewis. Scoring more points in the whole second half of the season without the amazing diffusers of the other fastest cars is testamont to how he can get the most out of any car. Just like the greats. Even in German magazines Lewis was given the award for driver of the year because of this.

his car got a big upgrade for the latter part of the season

 

 

anyways what do you think about the budget cuts,i hate them and even the KERS being banned.its like FERRARI spent millions and they don't have any advantage.they are making this like amercian sports which i hate alot.also the KERS where FERRARI,MCLAREN and RENAULT developed it for $50 and then it was banned and them stopping pit fueling this season





Solid_Snake4RD said:
selnor said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
selnor said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
selnor said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
selnor said:
zero129 said:
welshbloke said:
selnor said:
EncodedNybble said:

I would like to wager money, but can't actually ;)  So, what are the usual wagers on here, I put up a particular signature for a set period of time?


Sounds good. I realise now that 6 months is a long time. And that even 1 sale makes me lose. ROFL.

But I wont back out. I'm a man. :)

Being a man does not make this wager a fair one. He changed the rules on you. 1 week sales does not maketh a comeback. I would haggle for something a little bit more realistic as you will be hammered by the slightlest glitch but you point will still be valid.

Yep if i was you id keep to the bet that 360 total sales for the next 6 months will be above ps3, and 1 week of sales etc does not count but total sales, of every month from now till the end of the year.

Yeah lol. I know it's a lose for me. GT5 week should do it, unless Kinect release is then. Then I think 360 will stay on top. But hey, it's only fun. As long as the bet doesnt include changing my Lewis pic. ;)

i hate that lewis image as i don't like lewis or his smile

MASSA,ALONE the way to go

anybody betting SELNOR make that change

LOL. I like the kid. Obviously for his talent. Alonso to. I wont say much about sports personalities. Because to me thats a sad thing. None of us know them personally, and thats like judging a book by the cover. His smile is opinion I guess. 

But if you love the sport you cant deny Lewis is a very talented man.

i follow formaula 1 alot si i know

anyways i don't like people with a grin and his smile kind of looks like it

 

for a talent standpoint,he is talented

 

but i don't like the guy

as he is only good with a great car,not a skilled driver like ALONSO,VETTEL.more like KIMI where you give him a good car and he will win the race

also he drives rash,people say thats because he is BRAVE but thats bullshit when going into a corner he doesn't back off and makes the other one does,if the other one holds his ground,then LEWIS spoils both driver's race by crashing into the other car

 

about changing your pic

 

i didn't like LEWIS and your older posts near FORZA3-ALAN WAKE period biased threads claiming "best looking graphics ever" and that title made you more negative.but now you have cooled down

 

but anyways i would want to see a better pic and continue your posts like they are now

:)

On the Lewis subject I believe many get this very wrong. 

Ive watched F1 for a very long time. And you may have as well. SO I'll just point out a few things.

Schui, Senna, Prost among others are proclaimed and always talked about as the greats of Formula 1. The most talented drivers ever.

Now many people forget, that Prost, Senna and Schui are the most controversial and penalised drivers in F1 history. Lewis actually isnt even close in terms of braveness claims. If people nowadays view Lewis driving as gung ho, then they would have been calling Senna, Prost and Schui to be banned back in the day.

Many drivers in F1 today have become soft. And to soft. These guys are racing. Yes there is rules, but the idea is to race to the very edge of those rules. In recent years, Lewis overtaking from a professional point of view has been very impressive. Of course he's made a few errors, they all have. Alonso has done much worse in his career in dodgy moves than Lewis and Vettel well I'll come to him in a moment.

IMO the greats of todays F1 are 2 drivers. Alonso and Lewis. Then theres the rest. Pure talent I'm talking.

On the subject of Lewis only doing well in a good car. Last year is a prime example of Lewis doing well in a very poor car. The first half of the season Lewis car was 2 secs behind the front runners raw pace. Yet he had podiums. The second half of the season Lewis car was 0.8 secs behind the front runners in raw pace. Yet Lewis scored more points than any other driver in the second half of the season. 

Lewis proved last year just how good he was in an absolute dog of a car.

Ok. Vettel. This guy is not that talented. He is quick over a quali lap. And can definately win from the front. But this guy doesnt have great race skills. He has caused 4 accidents trying to overtake in the last 2 seasons. He has a real issue of composure in the heat of an overtaking moment. And alot of the time wont bother to make an attempt when Alonso or Lewis have taken the same car 3 laps prior. He'll sit there in his fastest car of the entire grid and not overtake when others in worse cars will overtake and make it stick. 

Vettel isnt a full package. Will he ever get the composed race craft needed to win from alot of overtaking. I dont think so. Alonso and Lewis are very capable of doing that. Lewis and Alonso are a class different from the rest.

When Lewis and Alonso follow a car, you expect an attempt. When Vettel follows a car, you dont expect anything. That says alot.

alonso makes an attempt but without jeopardizing other guys race,lewis is selfish in that area.its only one way,either he gets ahead or he gets both of them out of the race.as for Vettel he is a bit inexperienced and not matured but very talented as for lap times

 

ALONSO is a class apart.

LEWIS has to improve as he is no better than KIMI

massa is actually better than LEWIS overall

 

AND FOR SCHUMI,SENNA were overall drivers which could do well with a bad care,good lap times like perfect,take a good car to its limits.

 

as for LEWIS performance last year, i would not discuss it as last season was just a complete fail and didn't like it atall after FIA allowing diffusers which shouldn't have been allowed.

funny they banned KERS

Lewis doesnt jepordize. Lewis races. I for one want that ot continue. It's how F1 used to be. It's very clear to see Lewis driving style and his ability is reminicesnt of those greats. I'm not saying he's as good. Hell he's only 24. But he certainly has the potential to be named alongside them. Lewis is in his 4th season. Vettel his 3rd. Any inexperienced claims should be also given to Lewis. 

racing doesn't always mean risks.its also about how slick you drive and how much time you make.i followed Schumi all those years and he didn't do any of those the way Lewis does now

Only once has Lewis made whats considered jepordizing both drivers in a passing move in F1. The other close calls are racing. I can think of at least 4 jepordizing moves from Alonso in hos career. But because they werent really recent they are forgotten. Kimi isn't anywhere near the talent of Lewis. Kimi was an ok driver at best. 

ALONSO has made bad moves but not so risky,i know he is a bit crackhead too

KIMI was one of the BIG ones,how can you say he wasn't that good.you gave him a good car and he would take every bit out of it.he just lost his passion after his F1 World championship win

As for Alonso being better than Lewis. Well in Lewis first season he measured Alonso. I know some think there was this whole faveourites thing. But it's not true. Lewis was told 3 races to back off and settle for 2nd behind Alonso that year which he did. Even when he felt he was quicker. ( Monaco ). 

They finished 1 point apart in the same car. 

don't talk about the year they were in the same team,there were alot of issues and LEWIS skill had less to do with ALONSO being close to him than the problems in the team

And you cannot ignore last year performance from Lewis just because you didnt like that season with the diffuser row. That makes it moreso impressive from Lewis. Scoring more points in the whole second half of the season without the amazing diffusers of the other fastest cars is testamont to how he can get the most out of any car. Just like the greats. Even in German magazines Lewis was given the award for driver of the year because of this.

his car got a big upgrade for the latter part of the season

 

 

anyways what do you think about the budget cuts,i hate them and even the KERS being banned.its like FERRARI spent millions and they don't have any advantage.they are making this like amercian sports which i hate alot.also the KERS where FERRARI,MCLAREN and RENAULT developed it for $50 and then it was banned and them stopping pit fueling this season



Schui was penalised and banned for 6 races in his career for nearly causing a huge accident whilst driving eratically in overtaking. Senna as well was banned. 

Alonso made out there was issues in the team. However it was Alonso's issue that he wasnt given preferential treatment. There was nothing else to it. It was blown way out of proportion. 

Kimi was better early on. But not better than Schui, Hill, Hakinen in those early days.

The big upgrade still made the Mclaren nearly 1 sec off the pace of the Red Bulls in the second half of the season. 0.8 to be exact.

As for the money situation. Thats not really the issue. It's the lack off testing. Bring back testing days and that will help the teams. I'm not to fussed about Kers. The big change that is excellent is no refueling. It makes the drivers have to win more on the track. 

Guess who overtook the most in 2009 as a whole. Yep Lewis. This is worth watching. It's Lewis in one of the worst cars of the field. This isn't to say he's the best. But it shows in a crap car he gets the most out of it. And it also shows fantastic race craft. He is very skilled at overtaking.



selnor said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
selnor said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
selnor said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
selnor said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
selnor said:
zero129 said:
welshbloke said:
selnor said:
EncodedNybble said:

I would like to wager money, but can't actually ;)  So, what are the usual wagers on here, I put up a particular signature for a set period of time?


Sounds good. I realise now that 6 months is a long time. And that even 1 sale makes me lose. ROFL.

But I wont back out. I'm a man. :)

Being a man does not make this wager a fair one. He changed the rules on you. 1 week sales does not maketh a comeback. I would haggle for something a little bit more realistic as you will be hammered by the slightlest glitch but you point will still be valid.

Yep if i was you id keep to the bet that 360 total sales for the next 6 months will be above ps3, and 1 week of sales etc does not count but total sales, of every month from now till the end of the year.

Yeah lol. I know it's a lose for me. GT5 week should do it, unless Kinect release is then. Then I think 360 will stay on top. But hey, it's only fun. As long as the bet doesnt include changing my Lewis pic. ;)

i hate that lewis image as i don't like lewis or his smile

MASSA,ALONE the way to go

anybody betting SELNOR make that change

LOL. I like the kid. Obviously for his talent. Alonso to. I wont say much about sports personalities. Because to me thats a sad thing. None of us know them personally, and thats like judging a book by the cover. His smile is opinion I guess. 

But if you love the sport you cant deny Lewis is a very talented man.

i follow formaula 1 alot si i know

anyways i don't like people with a grin and his smile kind of looks like it

 

for a talent standpoint,he is talented

 

but i don't like the guy

as he is only good with a great car,not a skilled driver like ALONSO,VETTEL.more like KIMI where you give him a good car and he will win the race

also he drives rash,people say thats because he is BRAVE but thats bullshit when going into a corner he doesn't back off and makes the other one does,if the other one holds his ground,then LEWIS spoils both driver's race by crashing into the other car

 

about changing your pic

 

i didn't like LEWIS and your older posts near FORZA3-ALAN WAKE period biased threads claiming "best looking graphics ever" and that title made you more negative.but now you have cooled down

 

but anyways i would want to see a better pic and continue your posts like they are now

:)

On the Lewis subject I believe many get this very wrong. 

Ive watched F1 for a very long time. And you may have as well. SO I'll just point out a few things.

Schui, Senna, Prost among others are proclaimed and always talked about as the greats of Formula 1. The most talented drivers ever.

Now many people forget, that Prost, Senna and Schui are the most controversial and penalised drivers in F1 history. Lewis actually isnt even close in terms of braveness claims. If people nowadays view Lewis driving as gung ho, then they would have been calling Senna, Prost and Schui to be banned back in the day.

Many drivers in F1 today have become soft. And to soft. These guys are racing. Yes there is rules, but the idea is to race to the very edge of those rules. In recent years, Lewis overtaking from a professional point of view has been very impressive. Of course he's made a few errors, they all have. Alonso has done much worse in his career in dodgy moves than Lewis and Vettel well I'll come to him in a moment.

IMO the greats of todays F1 are 2 drivers. Alonso and Lewis. Then theres the rest. Pure talent I'm talking.

On the subject of Lewis only doing well in a good car. Last year is a prime example of Lewis doing well in a very poor car. The first half of the season Lewis car was 2 secs behind the front runners raw pace. Yet he had podiums. The second half of the season Lewis car was 0.8 secs behind the front runners in raw pace. Yet Lewis scored more points than any other driver in the second half of the season. 

Lewis proved last year just how good he was in an absolute dog of a car.

Ok. Vettel. This guy is not that talented. He is quick over a quali lap. And can definately win from the front. But this guy doesnt have great race skills. He has caused 4 accidents trying to overtake in the last 2 seasons. He has a real issue of composure in the heat of an overtaking moment. And alot of the time wont bother to make an attempt when Alonso or Lewis have taken the same car 3 laps prior. He'll sit there in his fastest car of the entire grid and not overtake when others in worse cars will overtake and make it stick. 

Vettel isnt a full package. Will he ever get the composed race craft needed to win from alot of overtaking. I dont think so. Alonso and Lewis are very capable of doing that. Lewis and Alonso are a class different from the rest.

When Lewis and Alonso follow a car, you expect an attempt. When Vettel follows a car, you dont expect anything. That says alot.

alonso makes an attempt but without jeopardizing other guys race,lewis is selfish in that area.its only one way,either he gets ahead or he gets both of them out of the race.as for Vettel he is a bit inexperienced and not matured but very talented as for lap times

 

ALONSO is a class apart.

LEWIS has to improve as he is no better than KIMI

massa is actually better than LEWIS overall

 

AND FOR SCHUMI,SENNA were overall drivers which could do well with a bad care,good lap times like perfect,take a good car to its limits.

 

as for LEWIS performance last year, i would not discuss it as last season was just a complete fail and didn't like it atall after FIA allowing diffusers which shouldn't have been allowed.

funny they banned KERS

Lewis doesnt jepordize. Lewis races. I for one want that ot continue. It's how F1 used to be. It's very clear to see Lewis driving style and his ability is reminicesnt of those greats. I'm not saying he's as good. Hell he's only 24. But he certainly has the potential to be named alongside them. Lewis is in his 4th season. Vettel his 3rd. Any inexperienced claims should be also given to Lewis. 

racing doesn't always mean risks.its also about how slick you drive and how much time you make.i followed Schumi all those years and he didn't do any of those the way Lewis does now

Only once has Lewis made whats considered jepordizing both drivers in a passing move in F1. The other close calls are racing. I can think of at least 4 jepordizing moves from Alonso in hos career. But because they werent really recent they are forgotten. Kimi isn't anywhere near the talent of Lewis. Kimi was an ok driver at best. 

ALONSO has made bad moves but not so risky,i know he is a bit crackhead too

KIMI was one of the BIG ones,how can you say he wasn't that good.you gave him a good car and he would take every bit out of it.he just lost his passion after his F1 World championship win

As for Alonso being better than Lewis. Well in Lewis first season he measured Alonso. I know some think there was this whole faveourites thing. But it's not true. Lewis was told 3 races to back off and settle for 2nd behind Alonso that year which he did. Even when he felt he was quicker. ( Monaco ). 

They finished 1 point apart in the same car. 

don't talk about the year they were in the same team,there were alot of issues and LEWIS skill had less to do with ALONSO being close to him than the problems in the team

And you cannot ignore last year performance from Lewis just because you didnt like that season with the diffuser row. That makes it moreso impressive from Lewis. Scoring more points in the whole second half of the season without the amazing diffusers of the other fastest cars is testamont to how he can get the most out of any car. Just like the greats. Even in German magazines Lewis was given the award for driver of the year because of this.

his car got a big upgrade for the latter part of the season

 

 

anyways what do you think about the budget cuts,i hate them and even the KERS being banned.its like FERRARI spent millions and they don't have any advantage.they are making this like amercian sports which i hate alot.also the KERS where FERRARI,MCLAREN and RENAULT developed it for $50 and then it was banned and them stopping pit fueling this season



Schui was penalised and banned for 6 races in his career for nearly causing a huge accident whilst driving eratically in overtaking. Senna as well was banned. 

not much

his bans were more for bad tactics like the one where he parked on the last qualifying lap to stop or  the one he was nullified for this year on the monaco track this on too fro overtaking alonso on the last lap

Alonso made out there was issues in the team. However it was Alonso's issue that he wasnt given preferential treatment. There was nothing else to it. It was blown way out of proportion. 

yeah it was because ALONSO wasn't given preferential treatment but that was only as it was promised to him and also LEWIS was an amateur and ALONSO a world champion

Kimi was better early on. But not better than Schui, Hill, Hakinen in those early days.

i never said he was SHUMI,SENNA better but like LEWIS only perform well with a good car and when gets a good car takes it to its limits

The big upgrade still made the Mclaren nearly 1 sec off the pace of the Red Bulls in the second half of the season. 0.8 to be exact.

yes but it was alot better than what MCLAREN had in their first part of that season

Guess who overtook the most in 2009 as a whole. Yep Lewis. This is worth watching. It's Lewis in one of the worst cars of the field. This isn't to say he's the best. But it shows in a crap car he gets the most out of it. And it also shows fantastic race craft. He is very skilled at overtaking.

most of his overtakes were over toro-rosso,toyota.i agree that he is good for overtaking and competitivess but when someone better than those torro-rosso and other lower team guys come to challege and they are on the racing line and hold their ground,LEWIS makes problems for everybody there as he should back off but he doesn't and alot of times get the other car wrecked





 

WTF happened to the back-end of this thread?!

"hey guys can you teach me how to embed videos, so I can post the same video 6 times on the same page"

"hey lets quote each others post history over 9000 about F1 drivers"