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The thread creator's analysis is incredibly naive. An Activision executive has a far deeper and more nuanced understanding of the market than you can appreciate.

What's the first game that people get for their Wii? Wii Sports, of course, because they don't have a choice. But after they play Wii Sports, the few casuals who actually want more than a tech demo and don't just throw the Wii in a closet go and get Mario Kart Wii. To date, Mario Kart Wii has sold just under 10 million copies in the Americas, and this is the actual, addressable market of Wii owners who are interested in playing real games.

If anything, Brian Pass was being generous in suggesting that there might be a couple million Americans who are too hardcore to play Mario Kart Wii, but still own a Wii and might consider buying an Activision game for Wii instead of their real console.



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RolStoppable said:

Your logic rests on the premise that third parties are capable of solving complicated maths problems, like dividing numbers by two or three. To this day they haven't figured out that the average Wii game costs about 1/2 - 1/4 to develop than the average HD game and therefore theoretically yields a higher return on investment.

So for your theory to be correct, you first have to prove that Activision can put two and two together.

That's easily done.

Activision has only two skills in life: molesting franchises to death and counting the bales of money donated by all the sheeple. Counting money involves math.  So at least half of its time is spent practicing mathematics.  Therefore, we can reliably say that Activision is good at putting two and two together, twenty and twenty together, millions and millions together...

In fact, seeing as how they have fewer and fewer franchises to abuse, they're spending more time than ever counting their money.  They may be better at math than Stephen Hawkings!



RolStoppable said:
famousringo said:

The thread creator's analysis is incredibly naive. An Activision executive has a far deeper and more nuanced understanding of the market than you can appreciate.

What's the first game that people get for their Wii? Wii Sports, of course, because they don't have a choice. But after they play Wii Sports, the few casuals who actually want more than a tech demo and don't just throw the Wii in a closet go and get Mario Kart Wii. To date, Mario Kart Wii has sold just under 10 million copies in the Americas, and this is the actual, addressable market of Wii owners who are interested in playing real games.

If anything, Brian Pass was being generous in suggesting that there might be a couple million Americans who are too hardcore to play Mario Kart Wii, but still own a Wii and might consider buying an Activision game for Wii instead of their real console.

Activision bases the addressable market on Wii owners who bought Mario Kart Wii? Seriously?

If that were the case, then they would have released Blur on the Wii because the demographic for that kind of game is already there. But they didn't and that means you are wrong. You still have much to learn and you are young...

Young and naive.

Blur is for big boys. Not for kids and grandmothers. You've misread the market again.



"The worst part about these reviews is they are [subjective]--and their scores often depend on how drunk you got the media at a Street Fighter event."  — Mona Hamilton, Capcom Senior VP of Marketing
*Image indefinitely borrowed from BrainBoxLtd without his consent.

I love your avatar, Rol.

@OT: I believe sincerely that I don't care about third parties. They don't want to try on the most popular console and prefer to stick with harder console to develop with with astronomical costs? Fine. Nintendo is able all by itself to supply its console with instant hits all year along.



Originally at the start of this generation nobody thought the wii would take off like it did (sales wise) and that includes 3rd party devs, so not a whole lot of initial support was given to the wii.

Also I think alot of developers have very grand passionate visions for their games which are enriched by deep online experiences and the added graphical fidelity/ physics engines/larger gameworlds which is provided by the larger userbase of 360/PS3 which is almost 76 Million compared to the wii's smaller userbase of only 71 million.

That was at least how it was to begin with.

But now, developers dont show the wii credit due to the lack of previous success for 3rd party games which have released for the wii.

The gamecube may have contributed to the initial stigma that the Nintendo brand brought with it into this generation which convinced people that there was no way the wii would take first. That stigma is now gone.



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maybe he was misqouted that Golden Eye Wii will only sell 12M units on the Wii?



You were right Rol.  This has gotten many more replies than my well written Monkey Ball thread.

I'm afraid the real reason that the Wii doesn't get better 3rd party support is not what you're saying at all though.  The truth is that 3rd party developers have to compete with Nintendo for sales when they put out games for the Wii.  They don't have this problem when releasing stuff for the other systems. 



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amp316 said:

You were right Rol.  This has gotten many more replies than my well written Monkey Ball thread.

I'm afraid the real reason that the Wii doesn't get better 3rd party support is not what you're saying at all though.  The truth is that 3rd party developers have to compete with Nintendo for sales when they put out games for the Wii.  They don't have this problem when releasing stuff for the other systems. 


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amp316 said:

You were right Rol.  This has gotten many more replies than my well written Monkey Ball thread.

I'm afraid the real reason that the Wii doesn't get better 3rd party support is not what you're saying at all though.  The truth is that 3rd party developers have to compete with Nintendo for sales when they put out games for the Wii.  They don't have this problem when releasing stuff for the other systems. 

Nonsense! 

We know that the reason Nintendo games sell so well on Nintendo platforms is that they're generally the highest-quality software available on the system.  But we also know, thanks to the objective and honest source metacritic, that the other systems have better games available.  Shoot, a downloadable indie game was of higher quality than Nintendo's flagship 2009 title.  Therefore, 3rd parties are not afraid of competing with Nintendo for sales, because they're already on systems which have generally higher-quality software.



noname2200 said:
amp316 said:

You were right Rol.  This has gotten many more replies than my well written Monkey Ball thread.

I'm afraid the real reason that the Wii doesn't get better 3rd party support is not what you're saying at all though.  The truth is that 3rd party developers have to compete with Nintendo for sales when they put out games for the Wii.  They don't have this problem when releasing stuff for the other systems. 

Nonsense! 

We know that the reason Nintendo games sell so well on Nintendo platforms is that they're generally the highest-quality software available on the system.  But we also know, thanks to the objective and honest source metacritic, that the other systems have better games available.  Shoot, a downloadable indie game was of higher quality than Nintendo's flagship 2009 title.  Therefore, 3rd parties are not afraid of competing with Nintendo for sales, because they're already on systems which have generally higher-quality software.

Okay then Einstein.  If Nintendo's games are the stink that barely rises above the log known as Nintendo's 3rd party support, then why are there any Wiis sold anyway?  And if 3rd parties aren't afraid of competing with Nintendo,  then what is your explanation that their support is so poor?



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