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Khuutra on 25 October 2010
jarrod said:
Khuutra said:

Wii Party shouldn't be compared to Wii Play; I would sooner compare it to Mario Party or to nothing at all.

I'd say the game has more in common with Wii Play from a market perspective (Wii ____ branding, mandatory controller bundle).  They're somewhat different when you get to the actual games (though within the same general genre), but I'd say the same for Prime 3 and Other M to be honest.

What I mean is that sales of the Wii franchise don't seem dependent on their Wii name at all. Wii Music is best testament to this, and it's also the second-most-recent title in the series, not Play. Compare it to Mario Party, which it's actually meant to replace.

And Metroid has managed to sell more or less consistently across genres; it doesn't get a pass, here.



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Khuutra on 25 October 2010
RolStoppable said:

All facts considered, four million for SMG2 make the game a failure so far and that's not going to change in the long term. That's how it is. Just like my "Super Mario Galaxy was a failure and Nintendo is to blame" thread went through, despite the game selling around nine million copies.

These two games failed, because Nintendo did set unreasonable expectations for them, hence why Nintendo is to blame. What Nintendo wants is that 3D Mario replaces 2D Mario, most likely because their developers prefer to make the 3D games. But they failed on all four attempts (64, Sunshine, Galaxy 1 and 2) and it's all the more clear now that a new 2D Mario exists on the same console as a (or actually two) new 3D Mario(s). The situation becomes all the more dire, if we factor in hardware moving capabilities of 2D Mario vs. 3D Mario.

Both Galaxy games failed on their mission. Learn to live with it.

That's actually not true; according to at least one interview, Miyamoto expected the original Galaxy to sell in the neighborhood of ten million copies. That's not a replacement for 2D Mario at all, though you could argue that it's (so far) failed to meet those numbers.



darthdevidem01 on 25 October 2010
jarrod said:
Khuutra said:

The game was expected to break the 1.5-2 million barrier. It's failed to meet expectations, and that would qualify it as a flop.

Correction, it's a Mega Flop. 

;_;

Other M isn't a mega flop from a critical stand point, user reactions stand point or a commercial stand point.

Too Human is an example of a mega flop...

You phail.

I know many of you here harbour disdain for this game but we are on a sales site, don't go calling any game which disappoints sales wise a "mega flop"



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darkgemini on 25 October 2010

This is ridiculous... SMG got a sequel an dsold 3 Mio units more than sunshine, and you really think it is a flop? Looooool

And SMG2 don´t have any christmas sales yet.

But this is a metroid thread. I think the only people, who have too high expectations, are some users here :D



Khuutra on 25 October 2010
RolStoppable said:
Khuutra said:

That's actually not true; according to at least one interview, Miyamoto expected the original Galaxy to sell in the neighborhood of ten million copies. That's not a replacement for 2D Mario at all, though you could argue that it's (so far) failed to meet those numbers.

Maybe at that time ten million were considered to be good enough. After all, at that point Super Mario Bros. 3 was the only 2D Mario that had exceeded ten million without being majorly bundled. It's possible that the Nintendo people themselves weren't really aware of the selling power of 2D Mario (which would also explain why they were comfortable to not make a new one for two entire generations, even though they would have needed it the most during that very same timeframe).

It's also possible that you're repeating what you read somebody else saying, which is predicated on a victimized perspective concerning Nintendo abandoning the old-school. It's not based on stated company policy (anything but, since Iwata's statement htat there will be more 2-D Mario predates Galaxy 2 considerably), it's not based on any statements from developers, it's not based on reality. Again: this is only one possibility.

Of course it's also possible that this discussion isn't suitable for this topic, and you should try to start it up somewhere else, somewhere that I can ignore it.

Actually, that last one isn't a possibility, it's a statement of fact. Begone!



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darthdevidem01 on 25 October 2010
darkgemini said:

This is ridiculous... SMG got a sequel an dsold 3 Mio units more than sunshine, and you really think it is a flop? Looooool

And SMG2 don´t have any christmas sales yet.

But this is a metroid thread. I think the only people, who have too high expectations, are some users here :D

Rol has always been in denial over the immense success of SMG



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jarrod on 25 October 2010
Khuutra said:
jarrod said:
Khuutra said:

Wii Party shouldn't be compared to Wii Play; I would sooner compare it to Mario Party or to nothing at all.

I'd say the game has more in common with Wii Play from a market perspective (Wii ____ branding, mandatory controller bundle).  They're somewhat different when you get to the actual games (though within the same general genre), but I'd say the same for Prime 3 and Other M to be honest.

What I mean is that sales of the Wii franchise don't seem dependent on their Wii name at all. Wii Music is best testament to this, and it's also the second-most-recent title in the series, not Play. Compare it to Mario Party, which it's actually meant to replace.

And Metroid has managed to sell more or less consistently across genres; it doesn't get a pass, here.

To be honest, I don't think Wii Music really proves out your point. If anything, it's 4m sales are a minor miracle after the universally bad reception it got (and not just from "games media").  I'd sooner argue it was a multi-million seller thanks to brand pedigree, rather than in spite of it... if it didn't have "Wii" in the title, it might not have even cleared a million.

And who's giving anything a "pass"?  Wii Play and Party just have similar characteristics, much to the same degree Prime 3 and Other M do.  Neither's really a sequel.



Demotruk on 25 October 2010
jarrod said:
Khuutra said:

Other M has sold less so far than Corruption did in its first two weeks by VGChartz numbers.

By NPD numbers, it's about on level with Corruption's first week.

Sales patterns don't lie very often. It's sales are dropping faster, harder, and lower than Corruption. Chances are extremely high it will end up selling considerably less in the long-term.

Out of curiosity, how do other Nintendo "sequels" on Wii compare this year for NPD?  Like Mario Galaxy vs Galaxy 2?  I wonder how Wii Party will track versus Wii Play too, this might be more of a platform issue than MOM's negative response might be letting on...


Wii Party versus Wii Play, are you fucking kidding me? Wii Party was an auto-buy when you get a new Wii, it maintained a close relationship with Wii hardware sales for years, and this was when Wii sales were a phenomenon. This is since it was basically a $10 two-player game to go with your second controller that happened to be great fun.

 

Even if Wii Party had managed to take this role from it, we would only expect it to track well below Wii Play because the Wii itself is no longer a phenomenon (and Wii Party isn't gonna make it one either).



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Demotruk on 25 October 2010
darthdevidem01 said:
jarrod said:
Khuutra said:

The game was expected to break the 1.5-2 million barrier. It's failed to meet expectations, and that would qualify it as a flop.

Correction, it's a Mega Flop. 

;_;

Other M isn't a mega flop from a critical stand point, user reactions stand point or a commercial stand point.

Too Human is an example of a mega flop...

You phail.

I know many of you here harbour disdain for this game but we are on a sales site, don't go calling any game which disappoints sales wise a "mega flop"

An admirable defense of the phrase "mega flop". I am unable to disagree.



A game I'm developing with some friends:

www.xnagg.com/zombieasteroids/publish.htm

It is largely a technical exercise but feedback is appreciated.

Beuli2 on 25 October 2010
RolStoppable said:
darkgemini said:

I don´t think that a game with a new gameplay will sell very fast very much. Unfortunately, it falls very fast in the USA. In japan, it sold more units than corruption or echoes did. I expect/hope the game will sell 5k a week for a long time. Than we will see.

 

And yes *rolleyes* it flopped because it earns more than it costs....

Nintendo's own standards for success are a little bit higher than just making a profitable game. Maybe I should go ahead and finally make that "Super Mario Galaxy 2 was a failure and Nintendo is to blame" thread I am thinking about since quite some time.

Please do it! And gather your flame shield!



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