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Rainbird on 19 June 2010
Slimebeast said:
WereKitten said:
twesterm said:

Right now it only allows a single viewer but advances can be made.

If we steer our 3D technology to be dependent on glasses, we're always going to be dependent on the glasses.  If we steer our technology towards not using glasses, we'll find new solutions without glasses.  It's not something we can do right now and it's something I doubt we'll do soon, but it's still the better direction.

It's not about steering: they are profoundly different, both will evolve. LCD screens evolved in parallel to plasma ones. Only when one will be good enough at most the other does will the loser be totally replaced.

An auto stereoscopic 3D system sends out the two different images in two different directions. There could be multiple fixed points of correct vision, but an emitted  light ray is an emitted light ray: if your naked left eye intercepts a ray that was meant for your right eye you see it all wrong (flat or even 3d-reversed).

Thus any tech that will send out the images directionally regardless of the users positioning will always have troubles compared to one that has both images sent in every direction and filtering on receiving. The only way out is that the emitter knows the position of the watchers' eyes, through something like head tracking, and is able to adjust its occlusion or lenticular system to send the correct angles towards all viewers, which would be an extremely complicated achievement.

We might get there one day in ten years, and still for the time being the best solution for a home theater where several people can shift and move could still be glass based, thus the investments in this tech could still have value and benefit for the users.

Is this true? That the TV needs some sort of head/eye tracking to determine the proper position where to send the rays?

If so, you are right - glassless 3-D on big screen TVs will take at least 10 years.

And if so, I think I am going to make the investment and buy a 3-D tv within a year.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3490208



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NiKKoM on 19 June 2010

I'm scared that big headed people like badgenome are gonna break my 3D glasses..



 

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WereKitten on 19 June 2010
Slimebeast said:

Is this true? That the TV needs some sort of head/eye tracking to determine the proper position where to send the rays?

If so, you are right - glassless 3-D on big screen TVs will take at least 10 years.

And if so, I think I am going to make the investment and buy a 3-D tv within a year.

Actually the head tracking is not the tricky part, or can be solved in the near future. I expect cameras and tracking software to be integrated in TVs for many reasons.

But splitting images between many different moving observation directions, each with two eyes, all the while mantaining a good enough resolution and sharpness... that's hard. Today you can see the lowered image quality in both parallax occlusion and lenticular approaches, and that's with just one fixed viewing position.

It will take a while before 4 or 5 friends can watch a 3D BluRay at home with no glasses.



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Tiwaz on 19 June 2010

You do know Samsung showcased their special 3D-tv without glasses months ago right?



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kibebr on 19 June 2010

Philips had a 3D TV without glasses in 2003, a lot of 3D Content and developers received theyr "blue box" to create content and applications, but didn´t got into the market ´cause it wasn´t blulet proof, each viewer had diferent 3D experience, isn´t equal to all viewers... so 3DS is for just ONE PERSON.

Next 5 to 10 years, glasses are the standards... I think someone will discover a new 3D technology that will be the same 3D experience for all viewers and don´t need glasses... but will be dmm expensive..

So... don´t wear the glasses... next ten years.. that´s the only answer.



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WereKitten on 19 June 2010
Tiwaz said:

You do know Samsung showcased their special 3D-tv without glasses months ago right?

Sharp, Panasonic and others did as well. None of the technologies presented (lenticular, parallax barriers, other optical film solutions) can at the same time

a) retain the same image quality as a normal TV, or switch back to a 2D mode with the same quality

b) be seen in 3D outside a narrow range of angles and distances

The common talk among tech guys is that it will take 3 to 5 years to bring a commercially viable product to mass market, and up to 10 to solve all the regressions.



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MrBubbles on 19 June 2010

if you think fitting them over prescription glasses is a problem, try putting them over a helmet.



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Slimebeast on 19 June 2010
Rainbird said:
Slimebeast said:
WereKitten said:
twesterm said:

Right now it only allows a single viewer but advances can be made.

If we steer our 3D technology to be dependent on glasses, we're always going to be dependent on the glasses.  If we steer our technology towards not using glasses, we'll find new solutions without glasses.  It's not something we can do right now and it's something I doubt we'll do soon, but it's still the better direction.

It's not about steering: they are profoundly different, both will evolve. LCD screens evolved in parallel to plasma ones. Only when one will be good enough at most the other does will the loser be totally replaced.

An auto stereoscopic 3D system sends out the two different images in two different directions. There could be multiple fixed points of correct vision, but an emitted  light ray is an emitted light ray: if your naked left eye intercepts a ray that was meant for your right eye you see it all wrong (flat or even 3d-reversed).

Thus any tech that will send out the images directionally regardless of the users positioning will always have troubles compared to one that has both images sent in every direction and filtering on receiving. The only way out is that the emitter knows the position of the watchers' eyes, through something like head tracking, and is able to adjust its occlusion or lenticular system to send the correct angles towards all viewers, which would be an extremely complicated achievement.

We might get there one day in ten years, and still for the time being the best solution for a home theater where several people can shift and move could still be glass based, thus the investments in this tech could still have value and benefit for the users.

Is this true? That the TV needs some sort of head/eye tracking to determine the proper position where to send the rays?

If so, you are right - glassless 3-D on big screen TVs will take at least 10 years.

And if so, I think I am going to make the investment and buy a 3-D tv within a year.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3490208

But, I want it (glassless) to be 10 or so years away... Or else a big investment on a shutter-glasses 3-D TV today will feel obsolete in a only few years. :/



Rainbird on 19 June 2010
Slimebeast said:
Rainbird said:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3490208

But, I want it (glassless) to be 10 or so years away... Or else a big investment on a shutter-glasses 3-D TV today will feel obsolete in a only few years. :/

Well, you'll just have to decide how long you want to wait then. My HDTV is pretty obsolete my modern standards (or my standards anyway), so maybe I'll invest in a 3DTV in the near future. But I think I'll pass for at least another year or two and see where the tech is headed.



Slimebeast on 19 June 2010
Rainbird said:
Slimebeast said:
Rainbird said:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3490208

But, I want it (glassless) to be 10 or so years away... Or else a big investment on a shutter-glasses 3-D TV today will feel obsolete in a only few years. :/

Well, you'll just have to decide how long you want to wait then. My HDTV is pretty obsolete my modern standards (or my standards anyway), so maybe I'll invest in a 3DTV in the near future. But I think I'll pass for at least another year or two and see where the tech is headed.

Well I only have an old SD TV. So I'm really hungry to buy a new big flat screen soon.