Do any of you have a link that stated Nintendo advertised 1:1 motion tracking?  I don't want to argue this with you guys but I'd like to see it if it was indeed said by Nintendo.  I only knew them to say that it was motion control and it worked as I was told it would.  Reviewers complained about the lack of true 1:1 I remember but I don't remember anything from Nintendo saying "True 1:1".  The wiimote recongnized spin for bowling and movements without any problems that I saw on launch and I got mine on launch.  All the games I played at the time were fine with me.  Then WM and the Resort game came out together and I was enjoying it.  But I never saw or remember seeing ANYTHING from Nintendo on Wii launch saying true 1:1.  If you have something on that I'd like to see it.  I'll start looking around on the web because if that's true, then that's just as wrong.

STOP DEFENDING THEM Squilliam. Its ridiculous and you know it. If Nintendo did this you would be all over it.

So has any recent news come out which has "proven" that you can sit? Id imagine they would have produced video proof and spread it far and wide online in order to challenge these vicious rumours.

Squill loves to play devil's advocate so there's no point arguing he'll just keep you dancing.

Besides, he's right as such.  I agree in principle that MS did way overhype Kinect's possibilities, particularly prior to this year's E3, where things got dialed back a bit closer to launch, but no actual charge of false advertising would ever stick and they know this.

They played within the rules of the game - even if I personally disagree with those rules I have to accept MS stuck to them.

You'll notice the closer to launch the less you'll see of 'possible future capabilities' and a lot more about Kinect will be like at launch.

As I wrote, Nintendo never did it. It's just that the way Wii and its games were advertised, people could easily think it was so. Wii ads always show people doing almost correct movements for the sport or activity simulated in the games, but now we know that moving the right way makes a difference only if you use WM Plus. Ninty never claimed it, but never denied what could be wrongly deduced by ads. That's why I wrote I agree that Ninty's guilt is a lot smaller than MS' one.

Wow oh wow.  This is the way Wii games were advertised and were talking about truth in advertising.  MS hasnt started advertising Kinect yet and MS is guilty of truth in advertising laws and deceiving the public for something they continue to state you will be able to do.   Kudo Tusonoda stated it again during the engadget show video I posted a link back.  Also showed in that video that Kinect detects when you lay down.  It is amazing the slack that Nintendo gets and MS gets slammed for something still in development.

I also dont think MS even wants people to think about Kinect and sitting down.  You wont see them showing games and sitting down for awhile because they want a 1:1 association between Kinect and active play.  They want people seeing kids and adults standing up jumping around sweating. Not sitting on a chair/couch holding thier arms out.  They want the moms and the dads who want thier kids and themselves being more active to go out and get Kinect.  So with a racing game they produced one that tracks you body for tricks and that when you lean into turns you drift.  They want headlines like the following one in Wired.

Hands On: Kinect Games Give You A Serious Workout

http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2010/06/kinect-hands-on/

*giggles*

But yes, they aren't delivering quite what everyone was expecting with the E3 2009 announcement and indeed the specifications of the unit have been pared back significantly since then with lower resolution cameras, lower frame-rate, no onboard processing etc. It was probably for the best in the end but it does mean that the unit in 2009 was more physically capable than the unit in 2010 even if the software has improved significantly since then.

I still don't think its worth gathering up steam over. Its a fact of life for anyone who looks to the future for news and information on anything technological that disapointment is the stock of the trade. History is littered with thousands of examples of things which sounded good on paper which didn't quite pan out. What im surprised about is why anyone would be surprised!

Its a much saner existance to simply wait for things to become mainstream before adopting them. Marketers love early adopters but scientists also love guinea pigs for about the same reason. Most people will simply be unaware of that video so they won't exactly pick up their Kinect 6 months after launch with the idea of sitting down to use it to play games. The people who are aware of it ought to also be aware that the stock of the early adopter trade is usually disapointment or delay. 

Now I look at the phrase "keep you dancing" and your sig and see I spoke the truth.

you mean the ability to sit down?

Aren't you sitting down? You haven't lost the ability. Of course you can sit down when you use Kinect from launch, they just don't make any promises it will work perfectly!