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I remember there use to be a whole bunch of charts about sony, ms, and Nintendo with their revenues, R&D costs, profits, etc.

All I know, Nintendo was the only one in the green with Sony and MS in the red. So Sony did make "Nintendo like" revenue but don't think Sony profited from PS2 much.



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Endz said:

I remember there use to be a whole bunch of charts about sony, ms, and Nintendo with their revenues, R&D costs, profits, etc.

All I know, Nintendo was the only one in the green with Sony and MS in the red. So Sony did make "Nintendo like" revenue but don't think Sony profited from PS2 much.


that chart showed that SONY was profiting just under Nintendo's profits in the PS1 and PS2 era and losing in PS3 era and MICROSOFT was just losing until last year



Solid_Snake4RD said:
DrJay said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
what numbers do you wanna know

i am telling why SONY's profits are shown to be down

 

SONY had so much R&D going on

you really think with the Software of 1.6 BILLION games sold for PS2,they would have made money in royalties more than Nintendo and the amount they were making on hardware

 

just anwser to me why did  SONY's PLAYSTATION profits dipped in 2005 even with the blockbusters like GT4,SAN ANDREAS,MGS3,etc

 

And Nintendo was also undergoing  R & D at that time yet still managed to make a lot of profit.  So what is your point?  

Sony:  Massive profits, massive R & D costs, PS3 still lost to the Wii.

Nintendo:  Massive profits, controlled R & D costs, developed to DS and Wii to disrupt Sony.

so you are saying Wii R&D costs as much as CELL $400m budget and the extra BLU-RAY?

 

Sony:  Massive profits, massive R & D costs, PS3 still lost to the Wii for future profits from PS4 and blu-ray royalties

Nintendo:  Massive profits, controlled R & D costs,Wii got alot of help from PS3 high pricing

Near the end of the GameCube generation Nintendo released R&D numbers. They said they spent over 250-mill a year R&D on both their home and handheld consoles. Thats 500-million dollars a year in R&D. Don't think for a second that they don't invest as much if not more then Sony does in R&D.

Keep in mind the Wiimote has been in the works since the NES. Nintendo also had their own 3D technology at GameCube's launch. Nintendo obviously invested heavily in 3D since they have the 3DS and no other company beat them too it, even Sony's executives don't think its possible I remember Pachter saying if Sony couldn't do it Nintendo definatly couldn't, well they did and are.Also remember when Natal was announced, Nintendo stated at the time that they had also worked on camera technology similiar to Natal but didn't think the technology worked and chose to go with the Wiimote.

Think about it a second , even the batteries that go into the DS and such, why do they have like 10x the lasting power of the PSP? Did Nintendo just wish upon a star. Also up until the Wii Nintendo pioneered all their own media formats developing their own cartridges and mini-disks, that costs alot of money that Sony saved by going CD, DVD then BluRay.Lets not forget the gyroscopes, tilt sensors, balance board...vitality sensor.....WiiMotionPlus...... All these peripherals cost money to develope. Think of the amount of R&D that went into creating the vitality sensor for example.

Who knows what Nintendo has been developing without our knowledge. I know Sony spends alot on R&D but Nintendo probubly spends just as much if not more.



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Solid_Snake4RD said:
johnsobas said:
Joelcool7 said:

I remember during the GameCube era lots of people said that Sony was going to kill Nintendo. Today Nintendo doesn't even consider Sony its primary competition instead naming Apple its new competitor. So if the PS2 couldn't kill Sony infact Nintendo turned the largest profit out of the three during the GCN era I believe. So with PSP dead in the water to DS and 3DS on its way Sony seems to have thrown in the towel for the handheld market.

Could anyone really bring down Nintendo now, what are they worth like 8-billion by now. Even if they managed to loose like 3-generations in a row at Microsoft or Sega's losses 500-mill a generation, then it would take 16-generations to kill Nintendo.

I think Nintendo is invincible they are the greatest game company on earth as shown by this weeks E3. Could anybody ever truly take on Nintendo? Can anyone even call themselves a worthy competitor of Nintendo. I mean seriously while Sony looses money on every unit sold and so does Microsoft usually for years after their consoles hit the market Nintendo has never lost a dime on their hardware.

Can anyone compete with Nintendo and actually give them a run for their money or will Nintendo be around 300-years from now?

no way, even in the gamecube gen you are talking about Nintendo made more profit than Sony in games.  The gamecube was sold at a profit, it sold lots of 1st party software, GBA and DS made tons of money, and Sony's strategy with the PS2 was not as good as the PS1.  Sony WAS making Nintendo like profits in the PS1 gen when their strategy was not be the most powerful and not to be a loss leader. 

 

As long as Nintendo has their core base they can never be defeated.  First party titles alone asure this, and with the sales they get from the 1st party sales they will get a bunch of multiplat titles as well.  For Sony to beat Nintendo they would have to make such good software that people didn't care about Nintendo's first party titles.

 

Nintendo has such a huge war chest they can afford to have a few bad gens as well.


SONY was making Nintendo like profit in the PS2 era too but they had alot of R&D and other stuff going on

why do you think in 2005 when PS2 was at peak,they had a major dip in profit?- it was because they were working on CELL and blu-ray for the PS3 and the PSP push

also just don't look at SONY's PLAYSTATION division itself as alot of what PLAYSTATION 2 and PS3 did benefit alot of SONY's other department

like most  what SONY's other divisions are profiting because of BLU-RAY are because of PS3's inclusion of the blu-ray drive

Right, i'm sure the PS2 and PSP had no R&D whatsoever.  In 2005 the dip was because of the PSP, in 2006 it was because of PS3, but it doesn't take a genius to see that Sony made way more money in the PS1 era YEAR AFTER YEAR.  The PS2 was the first step in the wrong direction, they needed to dominate to make a profit and they did.  PS1 would have made them a nice profit even if they were a distant second place. 



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johnsobas said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
johnsobas said:
Joelcool7 said:

I remember during the GameCube era lots of people said that Sony was going to kill Nintendo. Today Nintendo doesn't even consider Sony its primary competition instead naming Apple its new competitor. So if the PS2 couldn't kill Sony infact Nintendo turned the largest profit out of the three during the GCN era I believe. So with PSP dead in the water to DS and 3DS on its way Sony seems to have thrown in the towel for the handheld market.

Could anyone really bring down Nintendo now, what are they worth like 8-billion by now. Even if they managed to loose like 3-generations in a row at Microsoft or Sega's losses 500-mill a generation, then it would take 16-generations to kill Nintendo.

I think Nintendo is invincible they are the greatest game company on earth as shown by this weeks E3. Could anybody ever truly take on Nintendo? Can anyone even call themselves a worthy competitor of Nintendo. I mean seriously while Sony looses money on every unit sold and so does Microsoft usually for years after their consoles hit the market Nintendo has never lost a dime on their hardware.

Can anyone compete with Nintendo and actually give them a run for their money or will Nintendo be around 300-years from now?

no way, even in the gamecube gen you are talking about Nintendo made more profit than Sony in games.  The gamecube was sold at a profit, it sold lots of 1st party software, GBA and DS made tons of money, and Sony's strategy with the PS2 was not as good as the PS1.  Sony WAS making Nintendo like profits in the PS1 gen when their strategy was not be the most powerful and not to be a loss leader. 

 

As long as Nintendo has their core base they can never be defeated.  First party titles alone asure this, and with the sales they get from the 1st party sales they will get a bunch of multiplat titles as well.  For Sony to beat Nintendo they would have to make such good software that people didn't care about Nintendo's first party titles.

 

Nintendo has such a huge war chest they can afford to have a few bad gens as well.


SONY was making Nintendo like profit in the PS2 era too but they had alot of R&D and other stuff going on

why do you think in 2005 when PS2 was at peak,they had a major dip in profit?- it was because they were working on CELL and blu-ray for the PS3 and the PSP push

also just don't look at SONY's PLAYSTATION division itself as alot of what PLAYSTATION 2 and PS3 did benefit alot of SONY's other department

like most  what SONY's other divisions are profiting because of BLU-RAY are because of PS3's inclusion of the blu-ray drive

Right, i'm sure the PS2 and PSP had no R&D whatsoever.  In 2005 the dip was because of the PSP, in 2006 it was because of PS3, but it doesn't take a genius to see that Sony made way more money in the PS1 era YEAR AFTER YEAR.  The PS2 was the first step in the wrong direction, they needed to dominate to make a profit and they did.  PS1 would have made them a nice profit even if they were a distant second place. 

i was talking about the PS3 R&D not PS2

PS1 wouldn't have made nice profit if they were a distant second as they were new in console business then not Nintendo with handheld to save them



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Solid_Snake4RD said:
johnsobas said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
johnsobas said:
Joelcool7 said:

I remember during the GameCube era lots of people said that Sony was going to kill Nintendo. Today Nintendo doesn't even consider Sony its primary competition instead naming Apple its new competitor. So if the PS2 couldn't kill Sony infact Nintendo turned the largest profit out of the three during the GCN era I believe. So with PSP dead in the water to DS and 3DS on its way Sony seems to have thrown in the towel for the handheld market.

Could anyone really bring down Nintendo now, what are they worth like 8-billion by now. Even if they managed to loose like 3-generations in a row at Microsoft or Sega's losses 500-mill a generation, then it would take 16-generations to kill Nintendo.

I think Nintendo is invincible they are the greatest game company on earth as shown by this weeks E3. Could anybody ever truly take on Nintendo? Can anyone even call themselves a worthy competitor of Nintendo. I mean seriously while Sony looses money on every unit sold and so does Microsoft usually for years after their consoles hit the market Nintendo has never lost a dime on their hardware.

Can anyone compete with Nintendo and actually give them a run for their money or will Nintendo be around 300-years from now?

no way, even in the gamecube gen you are talking about Nintendo made more profit than Sony in games.  The gamecube was sold at a profit, it sold lots of 1st party software, GBA and DS made tons of money, and Sony's strategy with the PS2 was not as good as the PS1.  Sony WAS making Nintendo like profits in the PS1 gen when their strategy was not be the most powerful and not to be a loss leader. 

 

As long as Nintendo has their core base they can never be defeated.  First party titles alone asure this, and with the sales they get from the 1st party sales they will get a bunch of multiplat titles as well.  For Sony to beat Nintendo they would have to make such good software that people didn't care about Nintendo's first party titles.

 

Nintendo has such a huge war chest they can afford to have a few bad gens as well.


SONY was making Nintendo like profit in the PS2 era too but they had alot of R&D and other stuff going on

why do you think in 2005 when PS2 was at peak,they had a major dip in profit?- it was because they were working on CELL and blu-ray for the PS3 and the PSP push

also just don't look at SONY's PLAYSTATION division itself as alot of what PLAYSTATION 2 and PS3 did benefit alot of SONY's other department

like most  what SONY's other divisions are profiting because of BLU-RAY are because of PS3's inclusion of the blu-ray drive

Right, i'm sure the PS2 and PSP had no R&D whatsoever.  In 2005 the dip was because of the PSP, in 2006 it was because of PS3, but it doesn't take a genius to see that Sony made way more money in the PS1 era YEAR AFTER YEAR.  The PS2 was the first step in the wrong direction, they needed to dominate to make a profit and they did.  PS1 would have made them a nice profit even if they were a distant second place. 

i was talking about the PS3 R&D not PS2

PS1 wouldn't have made nice profit if they were a distant second as they were new in console business then not Nintendo with handheld to save them

Nobody said there wasn't a handheld, of course there was a handheld.  Nobody is claiming the gamecube made more money than the PS2.  Nintendo has always owned the handheld market and that isn't changing soon. 

I don't know how you can say PS1 wouldn't have made a profit when it's clear they made money on each console sold, they made 1.13 billion in a year even though they didn't sell nearly as much software or hardware as PS2 in its peak year.  I can only imagine how much money they could have made in the PS2 era if they had followed the same strategy as the PS1.  Actually i can, it would have been close to the wii profits. 

 



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Sony paid IBM to research the CELL? That's new to me.



Anything could happen. Just 6 years  ago, Microsoft wanted to buy Nintendo.

Nintendo is all about gaming and they only have two products on the market. Sure they are successful, but this is risky. Sony and Microsoft have some other markets to back them up. Imagine Nintendos next console will bomb like the PS3 does (financially). Nintendos shares would drop like a stone.

Every new gen, the market gets mixed up 100%. A PSP / PS3 situation would be deadly for Nintendo. And no, Nintendo is not invincible.

Sure, the 3DS looks great and I doubt they will get in a situation like the PSP, but you never know.

The Gamecube is not that long ago, isn't it?



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Solid_Snake4RD said:
DrJay said:
Solid_Snake4RD said:
what numbers do you wanna know

i am telling why SONY's profits are shown to be down

 

SONY had so much R&D going on

you really think with the Software of 1.6 BILLION games sold for PS2,they would have made money in royalties more than Nintendo and the amount they were making on hardware

 

just anwser to me why did  SONY's PLAYSTATION profits dipped in 2005 even with the blockbusters like GT4,SAN ANDREAS,MGS3,etc

 

And Nintendo was also undergoing  R & D at that time yet still managed to make a lot of profit.  So what is your point?  

Sony:  Massive profits, massive R & D costs, PS3 still lost to the Wii.

Nintendo:  Massive profits, controlled R & D costs, developed to DS and Wii to disrupt Sony.

so you are saying Wii R&D costs as much as CELL $400m budget and the extra BLU-RAY?

 

Sony:  Massive profits, massive R & D costs, PS3 still lost to the Wii for future profits from PS4 and blu-ray royalties

Nintendo:  Massive profits, controlled R & D costs,Wii got alot of help from PS3 high pricing


So you're suggesting Sony set out to lose market share and damage the Playstation brand on purpose in order to make more money off the PS4, which will have a hard time, thanks to the Playstation name being dragged through the mud, and to get a percentage of a new format which, going by current tech rates won't be around for all that long anyway.

 

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After E3 it is obvious that Sony and MS has NOTHING to match Nintendo. It was a pain to look at MS/Sonys press conference and see all this stuff that nintendo has done 4 years ago, and MS/Sony acted as if it was new and could be bother anyone.

At the moment there is no company in the video gaming industrie that can conquer nintendo. Not in therms of hardware and not in terms of games.