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FreeTalkLive said:
Joelcool7 said:

Think about it Sony is worth billions and is one of the worlds largest monopolies, they aren't going to be sunk by the PS3 or PSP.


Sony is in no way, shape or form a monopoly. 


lol glad to see some sarcastic remarks.

When I researched Sony in highschool for a report on the worlds biggest monopolies I think I found like 100 subsidiary companies. Heck Sony had its hands in food manufacturing, chemical plants, power plants, toilet paper companies, toilet companies. Not to mention the dozen entertainment companies like 5 or 6 record companies like 5 movie publishers with a dozen studios under them. If you incuded every subsidiary it becomes what I'd claim is the biggest monopoly on earth.Infact when I was researching it Sony was working on a guidance chip for US missile systems. So they even make weapons.

Sony is by far the biggest monopoly I have ever heard of. Not even Microsoft or Disney hold a candle to Sony.

So if Sony couldn't kill Nintendo, who on earth could?



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Killiana1a said:

Tradition is both Nintendo's best friend and worst enemy. For example, old school gamers love New Super Mario Bros. Wii, but equally, there are a lot of gamers who think that it is a lazy port with uninspiring graphics from the DS. New Super Mario Bros. Wii exemplifies how Nintendo can simultaneously catalyze it's older, fanboy base to pick up a Nintendo console again, while turning off the younger gamers who have grown up loving different franchises such as Halo, Call of Duty, Fable and on.

Nintendo needs new blood and the old lions have to give way to the new lions. Nintendo does not seem to get that Shigeru Miyamoto is way past his prime and Miyamoto making games for the next 10 years would be equivalent and just as sad as watching Michael Jordan make a third comeback in his early 50s to win a 7th title.

Knowing the reverence Japanese culture has for tradition and elders, I am sure they will be trotting out Shigeru Miyamoto in a wheel chair when the time comes. Pathetic really, but hey it is Japan and not America.

With the DS and the Wii, Nintendo is finally creating a new fanbase again, bringing in people new to gaming.  The last time they did that was with the Game Boy Color when Pokemon created a gigantic pack of frothing young nerds tryin' to catch 'em all.  And of course, Ocarina of Time crated more fanboys. 

The difference is that now it's people attracted by casual waggle games rather than addictive RPG's. 

Nintendo does need to appeal to the older fans in smarter ways than with lazy new titles simply duplicating once-successful formulas with barely improved graphics (i.e. Donkey Kong Country Returns, New Super Mario Bros) and straight remakes of past glories (StarFox64, Ocarina of Time).  There are ways to appeal to classic fans (such as myself) while keeping things fresh enough to entice new gamers.  I got bored with Zelda years ago when I came to realize that Nintendo was unlikely to ever expand the formula or try something new aside from some kind of different graphical style.  So they either beat a successful formula into a bloody pulp (like Zelda) or they move backwards with straight duplication of old titles. 

I have to say, Kirby's Epic Yarn seems to be doing things right.  It's gorgeous, it's inventive, it's unique, and it's giving us a new title for a classic, well-loved character.  That'll appeal to older fans, and is creative enough to snag the attention of newbs. 

Those people attracted to the "casual waggle games" were playing Nintendo in the 1980s and 1990s, grew out of gaming, had kids, have a 40 hour work week, and do not have the free time in between their children, spouse, and friends to get into immersive RPGs such as Mass Effect. However, they do have the free time to purchase the latest Mario game for their children which takes them back to their youth and is a family experience.

This is why New Super Mario Bros. Wii is such a smash hit. You can pick up and play it at anytime without worrying about getting reacquainted with the micromanagement, character customization, and the back story that RPGs have usually been excessive on, but if Mass Effect 2 and Fable 3 are indicative, RPGs are evolving from a niche genre heavy on nongameplay bunk such as micromanagement of armor and weapon slots into having more FPS related gameplay and more real time strategy elements as will be the case in Fable 3.

As for Zelda, the formula has been switched up with Wind Waker and Spirit Tracks, but you can bet that each Zelda game will consist of dungeons with a master key, map, compass and weapon used to defeat the dungeon boss. Overlay a seeminly free roam environment ontop of the dungeons and you have what made Zelda famous.

I do agree that franchises should experiment. Mario has done it with Super Mario RPG and Super Mario Sunshine as the most noticeable, but Metroid has done it by switching from the 2D of Metroid and Super Metroid to a FPS in Metroid Prime. I am uncertain as to whether Zelda has fundamentally changed up the gameplay.



Joelcool7 said:
FreeTalkLive said:
Joelcool7 said:

Think about it Sony is worth billions and is one of the worlds largest monopolies, they aren't going to be sunk by the PS3 or PSP.


Sony is in no way, shape or form a monopoly. 


lol glad to see some sarcastic remarks.

When I researched Sony in highschool for a report on the worlds biggest monopolies I think I found like 100 subsidiary companies. Heck Sony had its hands in food manufacturing, chemical plants, power plants, toilet paper companies, toilet companies. Not to mention the dozen entertainment companies like 5 or 6 record companies like 5 movie publishers with a dozen studios under them. If you incuded every subsidiary it becomes what I'd claim is the biggest monopoly on earth.Infact when I was researching it Sony was working on a guidance chip for US missile systems. So they even make weapons.

Sony is by far the biggest monopoly I have ever heard of. Not even Microsoft or Disney hold a candle to Sony.

So if Sony couldn't kill Nintendo, who on earth could?

Joe, Sony is very much a broad spectrum company but most certainly they are not a monopoly.  Perhaps you have your terminology confused.  A monopoly is a company that operates in a given field without compeition.  They are also illegal (with few exceptions such as local electric power comapnies).

Sony may have a hand in dozens upon dozens of markets, products and services but they hold no monopoly over any of them.  You even mentioned one of the closest things to a monopoly we have in the US with Microsoft.  They own just over 90% of the operating system market.  Sony doesn't come close to owning 90% of any market.



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Joelcool7 said:
FreeTalkLive said:
Joelcool7 said:

Think about it Sony is worth billions and is one of the worlds largest monopolies, they aren't going to be sunk by the PS3 or PSP.


Sony is in no way, shape or form a monopoly. 


lol glad to see some sarcastic remarks.

When I researched Sony in highschool for a report on the worlds biggest monopolies I think I found like 100 subsidiary companies. Heck Sony had its hands in food manufacturing, chemical plants, power plants, toilet paper companies, toilet companies. Not to mention the dozen entertainment companies like 5 or 6 record companies like 5 movie publishers with a dozen studios under them. If you incuded every subsidiary it becomes what I'd claim is the biggest monopoly on earth.Infact when I was researching it Sony was working on a guidance chip for US missile systems. So they even make weapons.

Sony is by far the biggest monopoly I have ever heard of. Not even Microsoft or Disney hold a candle to Sony.

So if Sony couldn't kill Nintendo, who on earth could?

And even with all of this Nintendo still manages to have a bigger market value ^^



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Joelcool7 said:
FreeTalkLive said:
Joelcool7 said:

Think about it Sony is worth billions and is one of the worlds largest monopolies, they aren't going to be sunk by the PS3 or PSP.


Sony is in no way, shape or form a monopoly. 


lol glad to see some sarcastic remarks.

When I researched Sony in highschool for a report on the worlds biggest monopolies I think I found like 100 subsidiary companies. Heck Sony had its hands in food manufacturing, chemical plants, power plants, toilet paper companies, toilet companies. Not to mention the dozen entertainment companies like 5 or 6 record companies like 5 movie publishers with a dozen studios under them. If you incuded every subsidiary it becomes what I'd claim is the biggest monopoly on earth.Infact when I was researching it Sony was working on a guidance chip for US missile systems. So they even make weapons.

Sony is by far the biggest monopoly I have ever heard of. Not even Microsoft or Disney hold a candle to Sony.

So if Sony couldn't kill Nintendo, who on earth could?


First off, SONY's huge but I question some of this info...
Second, that's not a monopoly.



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It's Nintendo who makes killings here



Joelcool7 said:

I remember during the GameCube era lots of people said that Sony was going to kill Nintendo. Today Nintendo doesn't even consider Sony its primary competition instead naming Apple its new competitor. So if the PS2 couldn't kill Sony infact Nintendo turned the largest profit out of the three during the GCN era I believe. So with PSP dead in the water to DS and 3DS on its way Sony seems to have thrown in the towel for the handheld market.

Could anyone really bring down Nintendo now, what are they worth like 8-billion by now. Even if they managed to loose like 3-generations in a row at Microsoft or Sega's losses 500-mill a generation, then it would take 16-generations to kill Nintendo.

I think Nintendo is invincible they are the greatest game company on earth as shown by this weeks E3. Could anybody ever truly take on Nintendo? Can anyone even call themselves a worthy competitor of Nintendo. I mean seriously while Sony looses money on every unit sold and so does Microsoft usually for years after their consoles hit the market Nintendo has never lost a dime on their hardware.

Can anyone compete with Nintendo and actually give them a run for their money or will Nintendo be around 300-years from now?

Nobody can kill Nintendo...but Nintendo.

As long as Nintendo has that tight combination of artistic creativity and business sense, they will never go out of business. They may take a knock but they will never die so long as those components remain intact.

If the giants Sony, Microsoft & the others didn't kill Nintendo from the N64 & Gamecube eras, then nobody can kill them. In fact, I'D say the only reason they gained ground was because Nintendo left the opening in the 90s. It was always inevitable that Nintendo would reclaim the throne sooner or later. It's due to how their company is set up.

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what are you talking about? ps1-ps2 did kill it for 10 years



thing is even if Nintendo bomb (in the public eye) they will still make a profit. So it will be hard to kill someone who never losses money.



 

 

Jo21 said:

what are you talking about? ps1-ps2 did kill it for 10 years


Killed Nintendo for 10 years?  Maybe sales wise but Nintendo still ran a profit (and has always run a profit).  Losing market share isn't good but they still made profit.  Your definition of kill is based solely on system sold which doesn't really matter in the big picture.  What really matters to companies is profit.  Sure eventually if you don't have any market share at all then it will be harder to make more of a profit.  Thing is Nintendo doesn't adopt the Sony/Microsoft strategy of selling systems at a loss.  So any system they sell will make them money.  Selling systems at a loss puts the company in a bind and if the system doesn't take off then that company is in a tricky situation.