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Bladeneo on 03 December 2007
madskillz said:
I am still trying to figure how folks can say something is a great game and it's not even released yet. You'll end up looking rather silly if it flops like John Kerry.

I hope for your sakes the game is awesome, but based on previous killer AAA titles for the PS3, I would rather beat on Resistance 2 than this. I just don't see it happening.

 People say alot of games are good before they're released.90% of this site is hyping SSBB as the next best thing since sliced bread.



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madskillz on 03 December 2007

@ Bladeneo

I review video games and for the life of me really just sit back and laugh at how folks claim a game is all that. You won't hear me saying 'Oh, Fable 2 is gonna rock.' I will wait until I play the game before saying this or that.

I could see if I was back beta-testing stuff, but most gamers aren't beta testers and are just speculating on titles, which really just make them look like uninformed fanboys.



HappySqurriel on 03 December 2007
ChronotriggerJM said:
HappySqurriel said:

If graphics meant that a game was going to be high quality Lair would have been the game of the year ...

The Killzone series has been overhyped since it was first announced, always sold as a "Halo Killer" that was going to take the world by storm. In the end the first Killzone was a mediocre game that has no evidence (except for a forum post) that the game ever sold more than a million copies.

The one thing that makes me doubt that Killzone 2 will live up to the hype more than anything else is that this game has been under development for a very long time and very little has ever been truely displayed; it was claimed that Killzone 2 was well under development at E3 2005, and almost 3 years later it hasn't been widely demonstrated in a playable form. I have seen this type of behavior from a publisher before when they have allowed an underqualified development team to produce a project that is beyond their means to manage, and it doesn't end well ...


 Killzone 1 was overhyped because the PS3 needed a "killer FPS", so did it let down being a "halo killer"? Of course :D the fanbase of halo is absurdly huge. Was it a decent game? Yeah it was :) I enjoyed it ^_^. Killzone Liberation however is a GREAT game, definitely worth owning in my opinion. 

And about Killzone 2, almost EVERY review site/person thats gotten there hands on with it has given nothing but praise. There is no reason why this game doesn't have the possibility of delivering. Overhyped? Sure, but I have a feeling it will be a solid game. The first one was. 

Lair received a lot of praise from sites that got a hands on with it, so much praise that when I mentioned my doubts (based on Star Wars: Rogue Squadren 3) I got flamed because eveyone knew Lair was going to be a 90%+ AAA game ... It is fairly easy to produce a game that is interesting in a 5 minute single player segment, and trivial when you have an audience (like game reviewers) who are willing to accept a lot of problems because the project is months away from being delivered.

Killzone was an average game for the PS2 and the development team failed to deliver on the product they promised even though it was a much smaller, more manageable, project; I think it is (amazingly) optimistic to assume a developer can quadruple the size of their development team and deliver a product at a quality level far higher than they ever have before.

 



Bladeneo on 03 December 2007
HappySqurriel said:
ChronotriggerJM said:
HappySqurriel said:

If graphics meant that a game was going to be high quality Lair would have been the game of the year ...

The Killzone series has been overhyped since it was first announced, always sold as a "Halo Killer" that was going to take the world by storm. In the end the first Killzone was a mediocre game that has no evidence (except for a forum post) that the game ever sold more than a million copies.

The one thing that makes me doubt that Killzone 2 will live up to the hype more than anything else is that this game has been under development for a very long time and very little has ever been truely displayed; it was claimed that Killzone 2 was well under development at E3 2005, and almost 3 years later it hasn't been widely demonstrated in a playable form. I have seen this type of behavior from a publisher before when they have allowed an underqualified development team to produce a project that is beyond their means to manage, and it doesn't end well ...


Killzone 1 was overhyped because the PS3 needed a "killer FPS", so did it let down being a "halo killer"? Of course :D the fanbase of halo is absurdly huge. Was it a decent game? Yeah it was :) I enjoyed it ^_^. Killzone Liberation however is a GREAT game, definitely worth owning in my opinion.

And about Killzone 2, almost EVERY review site/person thats gotten there hands on with it has given nothing but praise. There is no reason why this game doesn't have the possibility of delivering. Overhyped? Sure, but I have a feeling it will be a solid game. The first one was.

Lair received a lot of praise from sites that got a hands on with it, so much praise that when I mentioned my doubts (based on Star Wars: Rogue Squadren 3) I got flamed because eveyone knew Lair was going to be a 90%+ AAA game ... It is fairly easy to produce a game that is interesting in a 5 minute single player segment, and trivial when you have an audience (like game reviewers) who are willing to accept a lot of problems because the project is months away from being delivered.

Killzone was an average game for the PS2 and the development team failed to deliver on the product they promised even though it was a much smaller, more manageable, project; I think it is (amazingly) optimistic to assume a developer can quadruple the size of their development team and deliver a product at a quality level far higher than they ever have before.

 


 Lair recieved a lot of praise? I saw two early reviews and a few previews, and early reviews gave it 50% and the previews said the controls needed alot of work. Not exactly alot of praise.



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madskillz on 03 December 2007

KillZone 2 screenshots just released by Sony - http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=11261&start=0#end



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HappySqurriel on 03 December 2007
Bladeneo said:
HappySqurriel said:
ChronotriggerJM said:
HappySqurriel said:

If graphics meant that a game was going to be high quality Lair would have been the game of the year ...

The Killzone series has been overhyped since it was first announced, always sold as a "Halo Killer" that was going to take the world by storm. In the end the first Killzone was a mediocre game that has no evidence (except for a forum post) that the game ever sold more than a million copies.

The one thing that makes me doubt that Killzone 2 will live up to the hype more than anything else is that this game has been under development for a very long time and very little has ever been truely displayed; it was claimed that Killzone 2 was well under development at E3 2005, and almost 3 years later it hasn't been widely demonstrated in a playable form. I have seen this type of behavior from a publisher before when they have allowed an underqualified development team to produce a project that is beyond their means to manage, and it doesn't end well ...


Killzone 1 was overhyped because the PS3 needed a "killer FPS", so did it let down being a "halo killer"? Of course :D the fanbase of halo is absurdly huge. Was it a decent game? Yeah it was :) I enjoyed it ^_^. Killzone Liberation however is a GREAT game, definitely worth owning in my opinion.

And about Killzone 2, almost EVERY review site/person thats gotten there hands on with it has given nothing but praise. There is no reason why this game doesn't have the possibility of delivering. Overhyped? Sure, but I have a feeling it will be a solid game. The first one was.

Lair received a lot of praise from sites that got a hands on with it, so much praise that when I mentioned my doubts (based on Star Wars: Rogue Squadren 3) I got flamed because eveyone knew Lair was going to be a 90%+ AAA game ... It is fairly easy to produce a game that is interesting in a 5 minute single player segment, and trivial when you have an audience (like game reviewers) who are willing to accept a lot of problems because the project is months away from being delivered.

Killzone was an average game for the PS2 and the development team failed to deliver on the product they promised even though it was a much smaller, more manageable, project; I think it is (amazingly) optimistic to assume a developer can quadruple the size of their development team and deliver a product at a quality level far higher than they ever have before.

 


 Lair recieved a lot of praise? I saw two early reviews and a few previews, and early reviews gave it 50% and the previews said the controls needed alot of work. Not exactly alot of praise.


Reviews do not represent EARLY praise ...

Look at the TGS 2006 and Sony Gamer's day previews and you will see a far different opinion of the game than these sites presented in their reviews ...



choirsoftheeye on 03 December 2007

I'm sorry, but I have to put this out there.

"Killzone" is an atrocious name. Like, seriously, terribly bad. Made to appeal to "EXTREEEEEEEEME" dudes.



ChronotriggerJM on 03 December 2007
choirsoftheeye said:
I'm sorry, but I have to put this out there.

"Killzone" is an atrocious name. Like, seriously, terribly bad. Made to appeal to "EXTREEEEEEEEME" dudes.

 And what name could POSSIBLY be better to penetrate American market ;) Killzone + Shooting guys wearing Gas-masks with Glowing eyes + Guns = F*CK YEAH AMERICA DATS EXTREEME ><@#%@#$!!!!



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edjevink on 03 December 2007

I think the AI in the trailer we've seen wasn't that impressive...however, that was a few months ago and the game is slated to launch around christmas next year. On the other hand, the game is too important to Sony. They will do everything to deliver a good FPS with a good campaign and a solid online multiplayer.

To be honest, the game looks like it's on track to be a very, very solid game considering the footage we've seen is from a build ~17 months before it'll be in stores.

Although it has nothing to do with how fun the gameplay will be, the visual effects i've seen in Killzone 2 so far are really stunning. Effects like motion-blur, depth of field and the lighting effects looked really great....and the blood, oh my god, the best looking blood i've ever seen in a game!

I don't know if the game will be as good as some people hope or claim it will be...what i do know is that i'm really looking forward to new footage of the game.



Darc Requiem on 03 December 2007
sieanr said:
Nick said:
sieanr said:
ssj12 said:
Just to let you guys know why I dislike Halo.

Xbox fans say that the game is better then any PC FPS on the market including Half-Life 2. I hate the fact they can't face the truth that PC FPSs are better then console FPSs.

Cool. You hate something because of the people who like it.

I hate Ron Paul because some of the people who like him are idiots.


Can you please let me know which candidate doesn't have idiots that like him/her? I would really find it interesting if that were actually possible...


You need some help understanding this.

He said he dislikes Halo because of the fanboys. Now, there are plenty of perfectly good reasons to dislike Halo, but hating it because of fanboys is just stupid. In fact, hating anything because some of the people who like it annoy you is immeasurably stupid.

I used Ron Paul as an example because I know ssj likes him.


Sieanr I think you are missing what he is saying. SSJ correct me if I am wrong here. He doesn't like Halo period. His dislike of the game is amplified by a bunch of fanboys telling him how great the game is when he disagrees. Its kind of like how I feel about FFVII. I don't like FFVII and I think its one of the most overrated games of all time. I hate Final Fantasy VII because a bunch of fanboys are constantly telling me how great the game is when its anything but. I didn't like FFVII before the fanboys keep touting it as the second coming Jesus, the fact that they do makes me hate it more. FFVIII is a worse game in my view that VII but when I say I dislike VII, I always get some fanboy going "how can you not like FFVII?" Then a conversation ensues in which 90% FFVII was either their first RPG or first FF game. SSJ probably has the same problem with Halo. I know that have gotten the "You don't have Halo!?" question when I owned my original X-box but since I'm not big on FPS titles the converation usually ended there. For SSJ, who seems to have been heavy into FPS's, it must be exceedingly annoying to have FPS new comers tell him how great Halo is when has been playing better FPS titles on PC for sometime.

EDIT: As for the topic, their is a one word answer for the original posters query. Deperation.