I don't know about Sunshine, and I may have to try it before making statements so slightly, but DK Jungle Beat is a lot of fun (not DKC level though) . I liked it better than WL: Shake it and I regret not playing it with the bongos.

I agree with everything u said, Sunshine is probably the worst 3D Mario game,but, it had some good moments.

Nintendo this gen is very high on quality for their games, they wont release anything until its perfect.

Nintendo is amazing. They've got the smartest and most creative people on the planet there. Not being a huge fan of cartoony platformers (I prefer games like Prince of Persia, Mirror's Edge), Mario has never really done it for me. I'll admit that they're amazing games, but I don't really like the genre that much.

Zelda on the other hand, is the embodiment of perfect gaming to me. They take platforming, combat, puzzles, story, graphics, and each time I play a Zelda game I'm floored. If it wasn't for Zelda, I would've never bought a Gamecube or Wii, now they're my favorite consoles of all time.

Congrats Nintendo, for being the best developer every year since 1981.

I completely agree with this thread:

I've been a Nintendo fan since I was about 8, and I have never ever understood this jazz arriving this generation about Nintendo abandoning it's fans or their quality of games falling.  I would even go as far as saying that with the exception of Paper Mario and maybe 3d Metroid, all Nintendo franchises are as good or better on Wii than the Gamecube.  Mario Galaxy is an improvement on Sunshine, Brawl on Melee, MKWii on DD, Wario Land TSD on WarioWorld, etc.

Hell, I would go as far as saying that the Wii's 1st party line up is considerably more impressive than the Gamecube's considering that the Wii is probably about 2/3 of the way through it's life.

Super Mario Sunshine to me is a lot like Super Mario Bros. 2. They both had interesting stories and characters, and they had a different feeling from most other Mario games. However, I personally felt that the difficulty level in Mario Sunshine was just far too much at times. It was almost like the game was trying to be evil with you on purpose, so that is pretty much what ruined the experience for me. Mario Bros. 2 had a different type of gameplay mechanic that I personally just didn't like. So that is why I consider Super Mario Bros. 2 and Super Mario Sunshine not only to be very much alike, but also the outcasts of the Mario series as well.

Nintendo has something I call magic at making videogames. It's hard to explain what that is, but to a certain point Sega also had (and sometimes have now).Something that lacks, imo, in the other two, Sony and Microsoft.

Mario theme, master sword, ice beam, a goomba!... everything is magical at Nintendo!

Agreed.  Nintendo did a nice balance adding in some motion the right way just enough to not ruin the gameplay.  Nintendo is very creative.  I do hope to hear news of a NSMB Wii 2 at upcoming E3 *crosses finger*

1) Never Doubt Nintendo

2) Always buy Mario Games because you are a marioboy. If the marioboys didn't buy the mario games, then Nintendo would go backrupt. This is what happened during the GC years, the marioboys didn' tbuy mario. We wouldn't want that to happen again.

Anyways, I really do think Galaxy 2 is vastly superior to Galaxy. The whole game just plays better and it is hard to explain. Yoshi plays perfectly, and the levels are challening enough. I thought the final Bowser fight was a let down after NSMBWii, but it was good. Probably my only real gripe about Galaxy 2 is Luigi. Yea, I can play with him the first time around but I have to select him every single time and it is so annoying.

As for NSMBWii, refer to point 1, especially about 2D platformers. If you ever liked 2D platformers at all I don't see how you could ever pass on a 2D mario title. Except maybe if you don't like the fact that Nintendo is lazy and can't program skirt physics.

No, I would prefer the next Mario to be a launch title for Wii 2... just like super mario world was to Snes.

2D marios need again to be shocking, not just great!