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Farmageddon on 06 June 2010
richardhutnik said:
Albion said:
richardhutnik said:

If this is so, then one of my predictions regarding the 3DS (the one least likely to happen) would be close to being true then:

http://goes-to-11.blogspot.com/2010/04/predictions-on-nintendo-3ds-and-next.html

Considering the system will likely have a smaller screen, it is entirely possible to get near the ballpark of the 360 and PS3, and not require that much power.  My prediction was based on the belief that the 3DS could get games near the level of the PS3 and 360, in the development mix.  This means that it gets whatever 3rd party stuff is for the PS3 and 360, and comparable.  The 3DS is meant to go after the PS3 and 360 crowd and not just be an upgrade of the DS system.  It is Nintendo on the offensive.  Then, I was taking it to be the software for the 3DS would then also end up working on the next Nintendo home console.


Thats some intresting thoughts. Makes sense too .

Thanks.  Of course, it could be VERY VERY wrong to.  In the blog entry, I go into the strategy involved, which is Nintendo offering integration between its platforms, by going with 3DS stuff as the way to get a large number of next gen games for their home console.  They are now doing this, and it helps them have a competitive advantage.  Having it work this way would also enable the 3DS to act as a controller with their next home console. It makes sense, if you think Nintendo is following this strategy.  I would say look to how Nintendo has done stuff with their handhelds to see how they will go.  They do try out things, to see how well they would work, and work incrementally, in ways that people don't see.  I do believe the DSi XL is a test of the size of the system, and the 3DS will likely be that size.  This then gives you room for the second analog stick there.

This approach, which people don't see, allowed Nintendo to get rid of the "Gameboy" name, which then allows them to position their handheld as a more "mature" system for all ages.  And one has to think why Nintendo is doing all this.  Well, I think that maybe Apple is forcing them to have the most advanced handheld out there.  Do the 3D but also have it have graphics that are in the ballpark of the current HD home consoles, is a way to do it.  And then also make sure you target sufficiently long enough battery life.  And then you have a LOT of games ready to go for the next home system Nintendo releases.

Again, all this can be wrong.  But hey, if it is on target, please contact some market analyst companies out there, so that they can see this.  MAYBE it can result in myself getting a job.  It is time for Pachter to go!

Of course it could be completely off, and probably is, but it does seem to make sense, I like it. Specially because this E3 Microsoft and Sony will be showing their respective devices that'll try to catch a part of Wii's audience, and then Nintendo comes out of noewhere and actually "steals" some of their gamers. If they do pull it out and it succeeds, it'd be really neat.



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leo-j on 06 June 2010

btw for comparison

 

DS= N64 (maybe a bit more powerful)

PSP= Playstation 2

3DS= Xbox (that's my guess, aka it's almost as powerful as wii)



 

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iasta on 07 June 2010

No way... will be a waste due to smaller screen.

Also haven't devlopper stated in the GDC that the SDK for the next Nintendo handel shows a power arround the NGC?

Another good point is the power consuption and heat of the system. Many manufacturer tried some power house handels but fails for that point, portable game device needs to be... Portable! It's useless if the battery life is so small that you have to play connected to a plug (looking at you Lynx, Game gear and PSP). To power full means also more heat, if the device start to become hot, how to hold it? Try to play demanding 3Dgames on a laptop with your laptop on your knees and you will understand what it mean.



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Farmageddon on 07 June 2010
iasta said:

No way... will be a waste due to smaller screen.

Also haven't devlopper stated in the GDC that the SDK for the next Nintendo handel shows a power arround the NGC?

Another good point is the power consuption and heat of the system. Many manufacturer tried some power house handels but fails for that point, portable game device needs to be... Portable! It's useless if the battery life is so small that you have to play connected to a plug (looking at you Lynx, Game gear and PSP). To power full means also more heat, if the device start to become hot, how to hold it? Try to play demanding 3Dgames on a laptop with your laptop on your knees and you will understand what it mean.


Then again of course it's newer tech and runs at a lower resolution and they may just be saying you can get comparable effects. So all in all raw power, as well as consuption and heating, doesn't need to be as high as in the HD consoles. I'm not saying it's very likely, I'd bet it won't be confirmed, but I don't think it's outright out of question either. Maybe it's just a little hyperbole.



jarrod on 07 June 2010
leo-j said:

btw for comparison

 

DS= N64 (maybe a bit more powerful)

PSP= Playstation 2

3DS= Xbox (that's my guess, aka it's almost as powerful as wii)


I'd actually say...

DS = vs N64 no texture filtering, better geometry, better 2D, better audio = closer to PlayStation

PSP = vs PS2 better texturing, far worse geometry, less postprocessing/effects = closer to Dreamcast 



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Metallicube on 07 June 2010

My take is this.. The raw power of the hardware MAY be similar to the HD consoles, but the fact that you need the power to create the image twice to create a 3D image, could mean the the graphics don't translate to HD console graphics. This is unless you have a 3DS game that doesn't use 3D.

So for all we know, even if the power IS close to the HD consoles, which is a definite possibilty, the graphics could still be all over the place. They could be anywhere from slightly better than DS, to equivilant to the HD consoles. It just depends on how much extra power is needed to create another layer of images.

I personally see the graphics being somewhere in the Dreamcast region.



SleepWaking on 07 June 2010

I just want it to at least have the power to display games close to Dreamcast. Anything more would just be a bonus.



Smidlee on 07 June 2010

I'm sure It more likely  that3DS is close to HD consoles relative to size. Thus it may be capable of having HD quailty   games down to a smaller screen. I doubt it will have an actual PC GPU (nor PS3 cell) like HD consoles or this handheld will be as big as a laptop.



darthdevidem01 on 07 June 2010
jarrod said:
leo-j said:

btw for comparison

 

DS= N64 (maybe a bit more powerful)

PSP= Playstation 2

3DS= Xbox (that's my guess, aka it's almost as powerful as wii)


I'd actually say...

DS = vs N64 no texture filtering, better geometry, better 2D, better audio = closer to PlayStation

PSP = vs PS2 better texturing, far worse geometry, less postprocessing/effects = closer to Dreamcast 

This is more accurate yes.

3DS will be half way between Xbox 360 early gen games and PS2 late gens games.



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Christian973 on 07 June 2010

The GBA was a 32 bit system which means it was more powerful than a SNES.

The DS is more powerful than the N64 which means it's powerful than a PS1 since the N64 was pwerful than it.

Chances are the 3DS will be more powerful than the gamecube which can lead to Xbox level graphics since the Gamecube was pwerful than the PS2 but the XBOX won the graphics war last gen. Or, it can be powerful than the Xbox leading to graphics on par with the Xbox360.



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