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Kamal on 03 June 2010

It's like picking a girl for her looks or her foreplay your always going to pick the latter!



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Torillian on 03 June 2010
dtewi said:
Torillian said:

When did you opinion about Gameplay being the most important thing become fact?  What if someone says that the most important thing to them about a book is the beginning, but you and most other people think the ending is the most important part of a book?  Does the fact that most people agree with you turn your opinion into a fact?  Simple answer is no, it's still an opinion.


Because the literature in a book is constant from beginning to end, they are still words and they still have the same story.

In a video game, graphics are not gameplay. The ability to play a game stems from the gameplay, not the graphics. "You can't play graphics"


You can play video games without graphics eh?  Go ahead and close your eyes the next time you play SMG2 and tell me how that works out for you.  The ability to play the game stems from both, otherwise it wouldn't be a video game it would just be a game.



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selnor on 03 June 2010
dtewi said:
Torillian said:

When did you opinion about Gameplay being the most important thing become fact?  What if someone says that the most important thing to them about a book is the beginning, but you and most other people think the ending is the most important part of a book?  Does the fact that most people agree with you turn your opinion into a fact?  Simple answer is no, it's still an opinion.


Because the literature in a book is constant from beginning to end, they are still words and they still have the same story.

In a video game, graphics are not gameplay. The ability to play a game stems from the gameplay, not the graphics. "You can't play graphics"


The irony is you cant play the gameplay without the graphics. ;) You cant have 1 without the other. They both rely on each other. 



disolitude on 03 June 2010
MaxwellGT2000 said:

No only trying to further my point from before, the style of RE4 was gripping, even though it was a drastic change for the series it felt familar for Resident Evil, just gritty, a bit nasty, and the effect of being alone.

RE5 was a bit too clean, I really dislike the engine they used for it which worked really well for Lost Planet 1 and 2 but not so much for keeping that Resident Evil feel if you ask me.  RE5 is technically superior on every level but it's more my point of a team coming together to make a game with a certain feel from it, you can tell RE5 was not made by the same team that made RE4


I see. Yeah I agree...tehcnically superior. I will give it the visual edge too as some of that desert scenery has pretty good design IMO but I agree that they are close.

Otherwise its remarkable howmany things they lifted from pt 4 yet how different (meaning: not as good) the game turned out. No question its a different team. If capcom didn't let go/lose all of the devs responsible for classics like DMC and RE4, maybe those DMC4 and RE5 games would have turned out better other than only having technically superior visuals.



dtewi on 03 June 2010
Torillian said:
dtewi said:
Torillian said:

When did you opinion about Gameplay being the most important thing become fact?  What if someone says that the most important thing to them about a book is the beginning, but you and most other people think the ending is the most important part of a book?  Does the fact that most people agree with you turn your opinion into a fact?  Simple answer is no, it's still an opinion.


Because the literature in a book is constant from beginning to end, they are still words and they still have the same story.

In a video game, graphics are not gameplay. The ability to play a game stems from the gameplay, not the graphics. "You can't play graphics"


You can play video games without graphics eh?  Go ahead and close your eyes the next time you play SMG2 and tell me how that works out for you.  The ability to play the game stems from both, otherwise it wouldn't be a video game it would just be a game.

Let me make myself more clear.

It is much easier to play a game with good gameplay than good graphics.

Likewise, it is much more detrimental if a game has bad gameplay than bad graphics.



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MaxwellGT2000 on 03 June 2010
Torillian said:
dtewi said:
Torillian said:

When did you opinion about Gameplay being the most important thing become fact?  What if someone says that the most important thing to them about a book is the beginning, but you and most other people think the ending is the most important part of a book?  Does the fact that most people agree with you turn your opinion into a fact?  Simple answer is no, it's still an opinion.


Because the literature in a book is constant from beginning to end, they are still words and they still have the same story.

In a video game, graphics are not gameplay. The ability to play a game stems from the gameplay, not the graphics. "You can't play graphics"


You can play video games without graphics eh?  Go ahead and close your eyes the next time you play SMG2 and tell me how that works out for you.  The ability to play the game stems from both, otherwise it wouldn't be a video game it would just be a game.


You beat me to that point, but indeed poor graphics can hinder gameplay, especially when you have bad camera angles, poor collision detection and the like, you simply can't have good gameplay if your character is falling through a non existant hole in the floor.  The pair go hand in hand, but sadly it is kinda true with a lot of people, reviewers, and the like, tired repetitive gameplay is okay if the game is like a movie, while the game industry is not movies, they shouldn't be in the business of making movies posed as games.

And that is what causes a lot of the standoffs, gameplay over graphics, graphics over gameplay, but the best games always seem to mesh the two and everyone seems to live in peace for the time being lol



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selnor on 03 June 2010
dtewi said:
Torillian said:
dtewi said:
Torillian said:

When did you opinion about Gameplay being the most important thing become fact?  What if someone says that the most important thing to them about a book is the beginning, but you and most other people think the ending is the most important part of a book?  Does the fact that most people agree with you turn your opinion into a fact?  Simple answer is no, it's still an opinion.


Because the literature in a book is constant from beginning to end, they are still words and they still have the same story.

In a video game, graphics are not gameplay. The ability to play a game stems from the gameplay, not the graphics. "You can't play graphics"


You can play video games without graphics eh?  Go ahead and close your eyes the next time you play SMG2 and tell me how that works out for you.  The ability to play the game stems from both, otherwise it wouldn't be a video game it would just be a game.

Let me make myself more clear.

It is much easier to play a game with good gameplay than good graphics.

Likewise, it is much more detrimental if a game has bad gameplay than bad graphics.

You just hit the nail on the head.

Yes your right. It is more detrimental to any game to have bad gameplay.

But that has nothing to do with his comment that he prefers to have excellent graphics as his choice to buy a game. Having bad gameplay is worse than bad graphics. But I dont know any game ith top graphics on a system of choice that has bad gameplay IMO. So why is this conversation even being had in the first place???????



dtewi on 03 June 2010
selnor said:

You just hit the nail on the head.

Yes your right. It is more detrimental to any game to have bad gameplay.

But that has nothing to do with his comment that he prefers to have excellent graphics as his choice to buy a game. Having bad gameplay is worse than bad graphics. But I dont know any game ith top graphics on a system of choice that has bad gameplay IMO. So why is this conversation even being had in the first place???????

I have no clue, we started fussing about semantics or something.

Fine, fine, let's agree to disagree. Neither of us will back down.



Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita

Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte

Sugu yoko de waratteita

Nakushitemo torimodosu kimi wo

I will never leave you

Acevil on 03 June 2010

@Selnor

I would argue that the gameplay for Gears of War and Killzone 2, is really flawed and cause the games which have decent graphics to be somewhat bad(given the general public would disagree with me on those two).

Heavy Sword, Lair and other games, that were said to be appealing on the eye turned out to bad gameplay wise (much better example). 

The gameplay for resident evil 5 would also come to mind, because if you do play with the AI, the whole game is ruined for you pretty much in a nutshell. 



 

selnor on 03 June 2010
dtewi said:
selnor said:

You just hit the nail on the head.

Yes your right. It is more detrimental to any game to have bad gameplay.

But that has nothing to do with his comment that he prefers to have excellent graphics as his choice to buy a game. Having bad gameplay is worse than bad graphics. But I dont know any game ith top graphics on a system of choice that has bad gameplay IMO. So why is this conversation even being had in the first place???????

I have no clue, we started fussing about semantics or something.

Fine, fine, let's agree to disagree. Neither of us will back down.


If it helps I understand what you mean. It's the way the OP is made. It singles out Wii owners as gods. 

Whereas if someone wants to make sure that top graphics are a must when hey purchase it's choice. But then top graphics games always are good gameplay. Look at Wii. I'd say SMG2 is the best visuals on it. And best gameplay is prob that as well IMO. Same with 360. Same with PS3. 

It almost seems as though the OP is insecure of the Wii not having the graphics of PS360. That may not be the case. But then Graphics whores are fully entitled to have orgasms over great visuals. 

None of us are wrong. As are none of us wrong about our consoles of choice. We are all gamers of different breeds. But we all help the industry with our money. :)