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I wouldn't expect less from you Final... Tell me where I am wrong then please.

People are not physically spitting on the troops, but when they are accused of "murder in the dark of night" and raping women, then what else can it be called but not supporting the troops? (Perhaps you can call it sedition...) If you claim that only a few Dems said that, then WHERE ARE THE REST OF THE DEMS IN CONDEMNING THOSE COMMENTS! They are staying quiet... I wonder... Those charges have all been dropped, except against one officer, Michael Savage talked about that Marine Officer extensively. Officer Gessani (Je-san-nee) is his name. That is another topic.

When the Leader of the Dems in the Senate says that the "Surge has failed" before it has even begun how can he be for the war!? He isn't. Senator "Dingy" Harry Reid is a disgrace. He should be removed from office, if not for that then for shady dealings with his son and land deals.

When the Leader of the Dems of the House doesn't stop a obvious insult to Turkey, and by that nearly, if not entirely, starting conflict where there should not have been she is either a hollow-eyed empty headed liberal, or she is acting against the US. Which is it?

When the media gives a daily body count of US Soldiers, but mentions nothing of the number of enemy terrorists those brave men and women have put down like the rabid dogs they are, what is that? It is a one-sided view of things. They do not like to report good news unless it is hitting them in the face so hard, that they would lose all credibility if they did not report it.



I want my WHOLE paycheck! I support the Fair Tax!

http://www.fairtax.org/

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Final-Fan said:
Eomund said:
/sigh

Kamekazai, if you give money to support the fight, then you support the fight. If you ideologically disagree with the fight, yet still give you are not being honest with yourself.

So because you pay your taxes, you support Medicare, Social Security, etc.?

I pay my taxes so I do not get sent to Jail by the IRS. I do not support the government running those programs, and I want them removed from the government budget. But because the programs are there and people "depend" on them I simply will not rip it out from under them. They must be given benchmarks to improve themselves if they can. I don't apply this to handicapped people. Though everyone should give themselves benchmarks to improve themselves in life. Social Security is going backrupt and any attempt to fix it seems to backfire. Medicare is inefficent and the doctors who accept Medicare coverage get pennies on the dollar in payment for their services.

I want the government to shrink to the smallest size if a century. But expanding the power and influence of the federal government is the way politicians, on both sides I might add, stay in power. They create more government dependency which keeps people down, since they get free handouts why would they want to give that up? Not everyone currently depending on the government will stay down, but the majority will. When you take incentive to work away, people don't work.

Politicans cannot keep their hands out of my wallet, that is why I support the FairTax.  



I want my WHOLE paycheck! I support the Fair Tax!

http://www.fairtax.org/

Eomund said:
Final-Fan said:
Eomund said:
/sigh

Kamekazai, if you give money to support the fight, then you support the fight. If you ideologically disagree with the fight, yet still give you are not being honest with yourself.

So because you pay your taxes, you support Medicare, Social Security, etc.?

I pay my taxes so I do not get sent to Jail by the IRS. I do not support the government running those programs, and I want them removed from the government budget. But because the programs are there and people "depend" on them I simply will not rip it out from under them. They must be given benchmarks to improve themselves if they can. I don't apply this to handicapped people. Though everyone should give themselves benchmarks to improve themselves in life. Social Security is going backrupt and any attempt to fix it seems to backfire. Medicare is inefficent and the doctors who accept Medicare coverage get pennies on the dollar in payment for their services.

I want the government to shrink to the smallest size if a century. But expanding the power and influence of the federal government is the way politicians, on both sides I might add, stay in power. They create more government dependency which keeps people down, since they get free handouts why would they want to give that up? Not everyone currently depending on the government will stay down, but the majority will. When you take incentive to work away, people don't work.

Politicans cannot keep their hands out of my wallet, that is why I support the FairTax.  

welcome to vgchartz, are you a guy or a girl?

 



 

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Eomund said:
Final-Fan said:
Eomund said:
/sigh

Kamekazai, if you give money to support the fight, then you support the fight. If you ideologically disagree with the fight, yet still give you are not being honest with yourself.

So because you pay your taxes, you support Medicare, Social Security, etc.?

I pay my taxes so I do not get sent to Jail by the IRS. I do not support the government running those programs, and I want them removed from the government budget. But because the programs are there and people "depend" on them I simply will not rip it out from under them. They must be given benchmarks to improve themselves if they can. I don't apply this to handicapped people. Though everyone should give themselves benchmarks to improve themselves in life. Social Security is going backrupt and any attempt to fix it seems to backfire. Medicare is inefficent and the doctors who accept Medicare coverage get pennies on the dollar in payment for their services.

I want the government to shrink to the smallest size if a century. But expanding the power and influence of the federal government is the way politicians, on both sides I might add, stay in power. They create more government dependency which keeps people down, since they get free handouts why would they want to give that up? Not everyone currently depending on the government will stay down, but the majority will. When you take incentive to work away, people don't work.

Politicans cannot keep their hands out of my wallet, that is why I support the FairTax.  


Right.  You pay taxes so you won't go to jail.  Meanwhile, you support what you believe to be a better system. 

The Democrats fund the troops so they won't die.  Meanwhile, they try to pass legislation that will bring them home. 

Please explain what is wrong with this analogy. 



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Oh and by the way didn't you see the evidence I presented showing that the FairTax will actually cost you MORE money unless you make less than $15-20k or more than $200k?



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leo-j said:
Eomund said:
Final-Fan said:
Eomund said:
/sigh

Kamekazai, if you give money to support the fight, then you support the fight. If you ideologically disagree with the fight, yet still give you are not being honest with yourself.

So because you pay your taxes, you support Medicare, Social Security, etc.?

I pay my taxes so I do not get sent to Jail by the IRS. I do not support the government running those programs, and I want them removed from the government budget. But because the programs are there and people "depend" on them I simply will not rip it out from under them. They must be given benchmarks to improve themselves if they can. I don't apply this to handicapped people. Though everyone should give themselves benchmarks to improve themselves in life. Social Security is going backrupt and any attempt to fix it seems to backfire. Medicare is inefficent and the doctors who accept Medicare coverage get pennies on the dollar in payment for their services.

I want the government to shrink to the smallest size if a century. But expanding the power and influence of the federal government is the way politicians, on both sides I might add, stay in power. They create more government dependency which keeps people down, since they get free handouts why would they want to give that up? Not everyone currently depending on the government will stay down, but the majority will. When you take incentive to work away, people don't work.

Politicans cannot keep their hands out of my wallet, that is why I support the FairTax.

welcome to vgchartz, are you a guy or a girl?

 


 Thanks! I have been here for a while, and I happen to be a guy. Glad to meet you Leo-J



I want my WHOLE paycheck! I support the Fair Tax!

http://www.fairtax.org/

Remember that income tax is paying towards the National Debt, I don't think they will implement a new system that changes that too much or else while you save money the nation overall will fall into debt much faster the super fast way it is now.



Final-Fan said:
Oh and by the way didn't you see the evidence I presented showing that the FairTax will actually cost you MORE money unless you make less than $15-20k or more than $200k?

 Apparently not Final. I do not believe that this current system is good, but I have to live with it until we change it. I do not know where you got those numbers but I call BS. I believe that having the tax haven of the world would create more jobs and more opportunities to improve my standing. I further believe in taking home my whole paycheck. I do want the FairTax to pass. There is not much that can deter me of that wish. If you take out the Cost of Compliance of the current tax code for businesses and the matching payroll taxes for businesses the costs of business decrease and then the companies can lower the prices of good and services. The FairTax isn't applied to Used Items. That could reduce the cost of housing too (not saying for sure that it will, but it could). If I got all my money from my work, then I could shop for used items in such categories as: Clothing, furnishings, electronics, other non-perishable items, etc. and not pay taxes. PLUS I get my Prebate check every month, so I am taking home more useable money than I could under the current system.

For more detailed examples, read some of my earlier posts in this thread.



I want my WHOLE paycheck! I support the Fair Tax!

http://www.fairtax.org/

kamekazai said:
Remember that income tax is paying towards the National Debt, I don't think they will implement a new system that changes that too much or else while you save money the nation overall will fall into debt much faster the super fast way it is now.

 Two things.

1) The FairTax is revenue neutral in terms of government income.

2) The government should be spending less anyways. We should pass a balanced budget Amendment to the Constitution. (there should be a clause excepting times of war in that amendment)

 

So if we combine the two, we get less National Debt. Heck if we just took the first thing, we would be surprised at the income flow into the government coffers.  



I want my WHOLE paycheck! I support the Fair Tax!

http://www.fairtax.org/

Final-Fan said:
Eomund said:
Final-Fan said:
Eomund said:
/sigh

Kamekazai, if you give money to support the fight, then you support the fight. If you ideologically disagree with the fight, yet still give you are not being honest with yourself.

So because you pay your taxes, you support Medicare, Social Security, etc.?

I pay my taxes so I do not get sent to Jail by the IRS. I do not support the government running those programs, and I want them removed from the government budget. But because the programs are there and people "depend" on them I simply will not rip it out from under them. They must be given benchmarks to improve themselves if they can. I don't apply this to handicapped people. Though everyone should give themselves benchmarks to improve themselves in life. Social Security is going backrupt and any attempt to fix it seems to backfire. Medicare is inefficent and the doctors who accept Medicare coverage get pennies on the dollar in payment for their services.

I want the government to shrink to the smallest size if a century. But expanding the power and influence of the federal government is the way politicians, on both sides I might add, stay in power. They create more government dependency which keeps people down, since they get free handouts why would they want to give that up? Not everyone currently depending on the government will stay down, but the majority will. When you take incentive to work away, people don't work.

Politicans cannot keep their hands out of my wallet, that is why I support the FairTax.


Right. You pay taxes so you won't go to jail. Meanwhile, you support what you believe to be a better system.

The Democrats fund the troops so they won't die. Meanwhile, they try to pass legislation that will bring them home.

Please explain what is wrong with this analogy.


 The Democrats are trying to cut the funding for the troops. They are trying to force them to come home, not because they truely care about America, but because it is a politically expediant way to push your agenda. This is especially true if you have control of the Media. It isn't working for them because of the New Media. 

If we were to bring home the troops, the terrorists would be able to attack us, US, on our own soil AGAIN! I am saying that they are over there to prevent the loss of American life within our own borders due to Islamic Terrorist attacks. Some people will die in a war, as regretable as that is. If you cannot stomach that, then look away when real leaders lead us through a war that was declared upon us.

Not only that but I do not want the deaths of millions of people to be laid at the feet of America because we didn't finish what we started. I would not be able to stomach that.



I want my WHOLE paycheck! I support the Fair Tax!

http://www.fairtax.org/