Forums - General Discussion - President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran is a man of peace.

numonex said:
Slimebeast said:
Samus Aran said:
highwaystar101 said:
He is a peaceful man.

It's just that the kind of peace he wants will only come about by threatening the rest of the world to conform on pain of death... Kinda defeats the object.

Cause the Western peace is so much better right? You know except for the fact we're destroying our world and the south is paying for all the ecological and social costs while the north is leeching from their back.

With north I mean Europa/USA and with south I mean mostly Africa, but south america and parts of Asia as well.

Because of our global economical system 9 million people die of starvation each year in AFRICA alone. It's destroying the local agriculture which is/was the primary source of survival for many people in the world. A lot of people will die for our global economical system. A lot. 

You shouldn't listen to so much socialist propaganda.

Socialists oppose wars, we do not want to die in  wars which profit the ruling capital class. Ruling capital class started wars in the  Middle East to fight against socialist freedom fighters. Wars are started solely for profiting the ruling elite and lives are sacrificed for profits. 

Iranian President is a man of peace. He does not want war but he fears that the US will invade his sovereign nation of Iran. Sharia law has worked effectively in Iran. Why is everyone against Sharia law?


"Socialists oppose wars" as a broad statement is incorrect.   Many socialists believe that the whole world needs to be united under one world government (trotskyism) and thus would require global revolution by violent overthrow, which is the same as war.  But you are right, they oppose wars that would only profit the ruling class.  Stating that wars are only started for profiting the elite is untrue also, Bin Laden attacked the U.S. before we ever went to Afghanistan, you can call him a terrorist but it's all the same really.  He had an ideaology (which is based in islamic socialism) which made him plan a military attack on a nation.

 

About Sharia law though, why is everyone against it?  Well it infringes upon human and civil rights.  Under sharia law a man can beat his wife merely if they fear highhandedness in the woman.  This means basically anything can be turned into an excuse to physically abuse your spouse, and it's not only legal, it's your responsibility to do so.

It commands that theives have their hands cut off.  Doesn't matter what their economic situation is, it's either steal and lose your hands or keep them and starve.  Simply put this is an excessive and cruel punishment which will affect the poor the most and in such a debilitating way that they could never recover.

It commands that homosexuals be executed.

It commands that extramarrital sex be punished by whipping and fornication with stoning to death.  This means you must marry to have sex, and if you make a mistake and marry someone you don't love, well you get to die.

It commands death for anyone who criticizes sharia law, the quran, or mohammad.  So you would be obligated to kill me as I'm already pointing out how horrid sharia law is.

The punishment for apostasy is death, this means that if you ever leave the muslim faith, you must be killed.

It also commands aggressive use of jihad for unjust reasons, the rules of jihad:

(1) Women and children are enslaved. They can either be sold, or the Muslims may 'marry' the women, since their marriages are automatically annulled upon their capture.

(2) Jihadists may have sex with slave women. Ali, Muhammad's cousin and son—in—law, did this.

(3) Women and children must not be killed during war, unless this happens in a nighttime raid when visibility was low.

(4) Old men and monks could be killed.

(5) A captured enemy of war could be killed, enslaved, ransomed for money or an exchange, freely released, or beaten. One time Muhammad even tortured a citizen of the city of Khaybar in order to extract information about where the wealth of the city was hidden.

(6) Enemy men who converted could keep their property and small children. This law is so excessive that it amounts to forced conversion. Only the strongest of the strong could resist this coercion and remain a non—Muslim.

(7) Civilian property may be confiscated.

(8) Civilian homes may be destroyed.

(9) Civilian fruit trees may be destroyed.

(10) Pagan Arabs had to convert or die. This does not allow for the freedom of religion or conscience.

(11) People of the Book (Jews and Christians) had three options (Sura 9:29): fight and die; convert and pay a forced 'charity' or zakat tax; or keep their Biblical faith and pay a jizya or poll tax



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Armads said:
numonex said:
Slimebeast said:
Samus Aran said:
highwaystar101 said:
He is a peaceful man.

It's just that the kind of peace he wants will only come about by threatening the rest of the world to conform on pain of death... Kinda defeats the object.

Cause the Western peace is so much better right? You know except for the fact we're destroying our world and the south is paying for all the ecological and social costs while the north is leeching from their back.

With north I mean Europa/USA and with south I mean mostly Africa, but south america and parts of Asia as well.

Because of our global economical system 9 million people die of starvation each year in AFRICA alone. It's destroying the local agriculture which is/was the primary source of survival for many people in the world. A lot of people will die for our global economical system. A lot. 

You shouldn't listen to so much socialist propaganda.

Socialists oppose wars, we do not want to die in  wars which profit the ruling capital class. Ruling capital class started wars in the  Middle East to fight against socialist freedom fighters. Wars are started solely for profiting the ruling elite and lives are sacrificed for profits. 

Iranian President is a man of peace. He does not want war but he fears that the US will invade his sovereign nation of Iran. Sharia law has worked effectively in Iran. Why is everyone against Sharia law?


"Socialists oppose wars" as a broad statement is incorrect.   Many socialists believe that the whole world needs to be united under one world government (trotskyism) and thus would require global revolution by violent overthrow, which is the same as war.  But you are right, they oppose wars that would only profit the ruling class.  Stating that wars are only started for profiting the elite is untrue also, Bin Laden attacked the U.S. before we ever went to Afghanistan, you can call him a terrorist but it's all the same really.  He had an ideaology (which is based in islamic socialism) which made him plan a military attack on a nation.

 

About Sharia law though, why is everyone against it?  Well it infringes upon human and civil rights.  Under sharia law a man can beat his wife merely if they fear highhandedness in the woman.  This means basically anything can be turned into an excuse to physically abuse your spouse, and it's not only legal, it's your responsibility to do so.

It commands that theives have their hands cut off.  Doesn't matter what their economic situation is, it's either steal and lose your hands or keep them and starve.  Simply put this is an excessive and cruel punishment which will affect the poor the most and in such a debilitating way that they could never recover.

It commands that homosexuals be executed.

It commands that extramarrital sex be punished by whipping and fornication with stoning to death.  This means you must marry to have sex, and if you make a mistake and marry someone you don't love, well you get to die.

It commands death for anyone who criticizes sharia law, the quran, or mohammad.  So you would be obligated to kill me as I'm already pointing out how horrid sharia law is.

The punishment for apostasy is death, this means that if you ever leave the muslim faith, you must be killed.

It also commands aggressive use of jihad for unjust reasons, the rules of jihad:

(1) Women and children are enslaved. They can either be sold, or the Muslims may 'marry' the women, since their marriages are automatically annulled upon their capture.

(2) Jihadists may have sex with slave women. Ali, Muhammad's cousin and son—in—law, did this.

(3) Women and children must not be killed during war, unless this happens in a nighttime raid when visibility was low.

(4) Old men and monks could be killed.

(5) A captured enemy of war could be killed, enslaved, ransomed for money or an exchange, freely released, or beaten. One time Muhammad even tortured a citizen of the city of Khaybar in order to extract information about where the wealth of the city was hidden.

(6) Enemy men who converted could keep their property and small children. This law is so excessive that it amounts to forced conversion. Only the strongest of the strong could resist this coercion and remain a non—Muslim.

(7) Civilian property may be confiscated.

(8) Civilian homes may be destroyed.

(9) Civilian fruit trees may be destroyed.

(10) Pagan Arabs had to convert or die. This does not allow for the freedom of religion or conscience.

(11) People of the Book (Jews and Christians) had three options (Sura 9:29): fight and die; convert and pay a forced 'charity' or zakat tax; or keep their Biblical faith and pay a jizya or poll tax

 

You can have your  0% tax rates but you will need to embrace sharia law. Maybe sharia law would be more to people's liking: no minimum wage agreement, capital punishment for controversial issues, hands chopped off for stealing, etc. By the way does anyone on here  believe in sharia law? A government could use some of the elements as a fight against crime if he wanted to. Sharia law works effectively in Iran. 

The military can very easily be privatised, same with the police force and everything else. The military would belong to the richest family in your country, they would also own the police, courts and their privatised government under their control.  You will  have to pay to use everything. You could be arrested in the middle of the night and taken away for no reason. 



Someone that defend the Sharia Law  should come with a valid counter argument for Armads, because everything he said about it sounds really really bad, and numonex is not doing it so well.

 

Just saying



Ahmadinejad opposes America/Israel. He is defiant and speaks his mind.

American/Israeli corporate greed and corruption stretches their deadly tentacles all over the world. Anyone who opposes the US/Israeli corporate cabal are labelled a terrorist or met head on in devastating military conflicts. Blood for Oil.



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That's great, and all, but being oppose to America does not make you a good guy. This is not a comic book story.There is no good side, and evil side in here.



The US/Israeli right wing media propagandists try to make everyone believe their wars are justified in the Middle East. From a neutral perspective I regard the Middle East wars as US Imperialist terrorists attacks on Islam. The US aggressors are more than likely the real terrorists. 

The Middle East nations have every right to fight a defensive war against an invading Imperialist. The two Middle East wars are guerrilla wars which makes the element of surprise more of a match for a superior military force.

A war on Iran would be another costly exercise in many ways for the US and its allies. Expect high military casualties, high financial costs and widespread public outrage. An Iran conflict would drag on for many years and it would be wise to avoid a conflict with Iran. The US is struggling to deal with guerrillas/militia in both Iraq and Afghanistan. History has proven defensive wars are very hard to win.

Vietnam War and Korea wars: those two wars proved that the mighty US are vulnerable despite having far superior weapons and technology. Your military is only as good as the commanders who command the troops. The American commanders tend to be a few cans short of a six pack. IMO both Barrack Obama and George W. Bush and a few of those questionable military commanders are/were lacking leadership qualities.  



Iran will stand up to the US Imperialist invaders.  Ahmadinejad says hands off Iran's oil. Iran holds 10% of the world's oil supplies.