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Viper1 said:
TheNoobHolocaust said:
Viper1 said:

Goodness man.  I really hope you don't believe the fellow that told you that mess of fallacies.

 

Nintendo tapped Sony to create the disc drive for their next console.  Things went well until the final contract was reviewed by Nintendo.  Sony had written the contract with the stipulations that they retain all branding and rights to the console basically relegating Nintendo to a 2nd party development studio.   Nintendo immediately pulled out attempted to strike a deal with Philips but that too fell through.  Because they couldn't get a disc drive manufacturer on board for their next console, they were forced to continue using catridges. 

Also, M and T rated games (and their pre-ESRB equivelants) were around prior to the release of the Playstation.  Sony had nothing to do with the origination of either that style of content or the rating board itself.

 

So pretty much what I just said... Sony had already began production on them before the deal fell through costing Sony millions and pissing them off enough to make them join the videogame war.

I know M and T games and such were around before PlaySation but PlayStation ushered in the era of Mature games, there was an abundance of mature games on PlaySation, I'm not saying Nintendo wouldn't of eventually directed there attention to the mature audience, I'm just saying without Sony it wouldn't of happened so soon.

No, production never began.  A few prototypes were developed but that's it.  And it didn't cost Sony much of anything as Nintendo paid for it.  Sony wasn't making the disc drive as a favor.

And the push for "M" oriented games began with Sega and 3DO.  You're 15, man.  Stop reading revisionist history and listen to the people that actually lived through it.

For the last time I know PS1 didn't invent M rated games but they were the first to focus on the Mature audience. Nintendo went after the casual audience, Sega had the arcade and casual audience, and Sony had the mature audience.

I am listening to you but I believe the actual Company that went through it over any gamer. I know this video makes Nintendo out as a bad guy, and I know they weren't. It was just a contract that fell through. Sony felt betrayed because they already had investors and they were already in pre production. It angered them enough to cause them to join the console race.



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Garnett said:
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Garnett said:
disolitude said:
 

Yes! Thats the video ad...there is a print version too.

And I got the other :)

http://66.186.34.59/specials/adspecial4/sports.jpg

And found the final one.

http://66.186.34.59/specials/adspecial4/dkc-hype.jpg

tsk tsk Nintendo.

"Many games from sports software leaders including EA Sports, Acclaim, Sony, Accolade, Tecmo"

Whoa!!! Sony made Games for Nintendo?

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/index.php?name=&keyword=&console=SNES&region=All&developer=&publisher=301&genre=&boxart=Both&results=50&order=Hits

I knew that Sony and Nintendo were supposed to make a console but damn... I never would of expected Sony to make a game on a Nintendo Platform... Just shows how much times have changed.

wow, there was a hook game?? i loved that movie =P

sorry, so off topic



TheNoobHolocaust said:

I am listening to you but I believe the actual Company that went through it over any gamer.


The hell?

You'd believe a company which obviously has an agenda to make itself look good and shows no qualms about lying to achieve this, (Not hating on Sony, pretty much all companies do this) over someone with an outside view?



curl-6 said:
TheNoobHolocaust said:

I am listening to you but I believe the actual Company that went through it over any gamer.


The hell?

You'd believe a company which obviously has an agenda to make itself look good and shows no qualms about lying to achieve this, (Not hating on Sony, pretty much all companies do this) over someone with an outside view?

I believe a company that has no reason to lie about its success over a gamer that obviously dislikes Sony and has an agenda to slander it. Not to mention everything they say in that video can be proven unlike a gamer who tries to recall what happened. An outside view is an opinion no matter which way you spin it, if i was in an arguement with a friend about opinions I would want an outside view, but that doesn't work when its a company that has facts to back up what they say over a person that has no source. I'm sorry if I'm coming off as rude but facts beat a person's memory anyday.



TheNoobHolocaust said:

 

I believe a company that has no reason to lie about its success over a gamer that obviously dislikes Sony and has an agenda to slander it. Not to mention everything they say in that video can be proven unlike a gamer who tries to recall what happened.

Being a relatively new member here, I'm unfamiliar with any "agenda" Viper may or may not have.

Of course Sony has a reason to embellish, they want to look good in the eyes of the consumer, and highlight their achievements while omitting their mistakes. It's like expecting most politicians to criticise their own party.



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curl-6 said:
TheNoobHolocaust said:

 

I believe a company that has no reason to lie about its success over a gamer that obviously dislikes Sony and has an agenda to slander it. Not to mention everything they say in that video can be proven unlike a gamer who tries to recall what happened.

Being a relatively new member here, I'm unfamiliar with any "agenda" Viper may or may not have.

Of course Sony has a reason to embellish, they want to look good in the eyes of the consumer, and highlight their achievements while omitting their mistakes. It's like expecting most politicians to criticise their own party.

True they could spin what their words to make themselves look good, and I believe they do in this video but all the things that they say can be backed up by facts, whereas a person can only recall what they want to recall. Just watch the videos, they are long but they are interesting. I think there is a Nintendo one a Sega one and an Xbox one too. I will try to post them asap.



I love how people love to villainize Nintendo for opting out of the Playstation project with Sony. But, hello, Sony wanted Nintendo to basically sign away all their rights as a 1st party developer with the project! They were essentially forcing Nintendo to be submissive to Sony.

What would YOU have done if you were Nintendo?

Nintendo wanted to beat Sega with their superior tech they would get from Sony, but in doing so they'd basically be bowing down to Sony and handing over all their property rights to them.. What would be the point of beating Sega if you had to strip yourselves of your former power in doing so?



Metallicube said:
I love how people love to villainize Nintendo for opting out of the Playstation project with Sony. But, hello, Sony wanted Nintendo to basically sign away all their rights as a 1st party developer with the project! They were essentially forcing Nintendo to be submissive to Sony.

What would YOU have done if you were Nintendo?

Nintendo wanted to beat Sega with their superior tech they would get from Sony, but in doing so they'd basically be bowing down to Sony and handing over all their property rights to them.. What would be the point of beating Sega if you had to strip yourselves of your former power in doing so?

I would of probably done the same thing, like I said it was just a bad negotiation, but without that contract falling through the Videogame industry wouldn't be as big. I don't think there would be an Xbox, Sony wouldn't be here and Sega, who is known for taking risks, would have probably made the Wii before Nintendo.



I still lol at the end of Part 2, PS3 flopped at first, but It's much better now and I hope they learn from it.



TheNoobHolocaust said:
Viper1 said:

No, production never began.  A few prototypes were developed but that's it.  And it didn't cost Sony much of anything as Nintendo paid for it.  Sony wasn't making the disc drive as a favor.

And the push for "M" oriented games began with Sega and 3DO.  You're 15, man.  Stop reading revisionist history and listen to the people that actually lived through it.

For the last time I know PS1 didn't invent M rated games but they were the first to focus on the Mature audience. Nintendo went after the casual audience, Sega had the arcade and casual audience, and Sony had the mature audience.

I am listening to you but I believe the actual Company that went through it over any gamer. I know this video makes Nintendo out as a bad guy, and I know they weren't. It was just a contract that fell through. Sony felt betrayed because they already had investors and they were already in pre production. It angered them enough to cause them to join the console race.

Like Viper said, the bolded part is wrong. Recall way back in the days (okay, before you were born), there was this hit game called "Mortal Kombat." Sega, going for the mature audience, allowed the blood from the arcade to stay, whereas Nintendo required it changed it to grey "sweat." And you can bet that Sega hyped this up. (IIRC, it was the first game that got the MA-17 rating also- a precursor to ESRB.) This continued on with Sega into the Sega CD era, with games like Night Trap, seeing how much they could get away with. I don't remember as much about the 3DO, but I do remember that there was a game that was banned from stores for mature content.

As for the second paragraph, it's been pointed out that Sony has their own agenda to push. Note that the first few big games for Sony on the Playstation were actually E-rated, things like Gran Turismo, Crash, well... by this point, you could probably find more info yourself on early PS1 games.



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