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A203D on 20 May 2010
FF_Fanatic said:
The Xbox Man said:

I didn't expect sales to be this low. That said it didn't receive much marketing, but for a title in development for 5. Its one of the best games I have played in its genre, I hope it makes a profit.

this game was hyped to be up to uncharted standards by certain fans, yet it was not, not only that it has not even sold as well as uncharted did, now if we are going by fan idiology it is even more of a flop than uncharted 1 was, so expect a pc version very very soon

Sales can surge because of good word of mouth and Uncharted certainly had a lot of that. even though i dont have an Xbox and i dont like M$, i have to admit this game looked awesome. its a shame its not selling better, considering Heavy Rain did really well, and this seemed to be better than that.



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Black RL on 20 May 2010
disolitude said:
Who knows... But as I gamer I am really not concerned with this. Game is freekin awesome which is all that matters.

This.

IMO, Dead Space, Resident Evil 5, Batman, Shadow Complex, Gears (MP) and now Alan Wake.

Alan Wake is one of the best games I've played in my entire life and certainly one of the best of this generation. Don't worry, it will make a profit, I think it will sell 1.5 to 2 millions, the gamers will make the advertisement, don't worry.




C_Hollomon on 20 May 2010
MonstaMack said:
C_Hollomon said:

Since Alan Wake don't have online, the sales will be poor. 2 of my friends already downloaded it and they say it's not worth $60 since it was short to them and has no online.

360 is all about online. That's why shooters sell good on it. You can't play Alan Wake with yours friends. Red Dead took the sales away from it. It should have beed released last month or in July. Would have been better on the PS3 too.

Edit: Also there's not much marketing for it so that make the sales low too.  I hope it'll sale good though.  It looks like a good game.

I suggest if your "hoping" for anything is to hope your friends and other people who don't buy new, do so to support this game. I mean seriously, your friends downloaded and don't feel It's worth $60? Well of course they don't! They didn't pay anything for it.


I do tell them to buy they games only if the games are worth it and to me Alan Wake do look like it's worth it but they still download anyway.  They been doing it for years.  They grown men and they do what they want.  It's not like they don't buy games.  They don't mine paying for shooters and sports games as long as it have online because to them it gives replay value since they have to pay for online.  Really I can't tell them to buy Alan Wake if I never played it.  I can't say if it's really good and worth the money.  Neither can you.  Unless you bought it but if not you should do the same to what you say and buy it.



MonstaMack on 20 May 2010
C_Hollomon said:
MonstaMack said:
C_Hollomon said:

Since Alan Wake don't have online, the sales will be poor. 2 of my friends already downloaded it and they say it's not worth $60 since it was short to them and has no online.

360 is all about online. That's why shooters sell good on it. You can't play Alan Wake with yours friends. Red Dead took the sales away from it. It should have beed released last month or in July. Would have been better on the PS3 too.

Edit: Also there's not much marketing for it so that make the sales low too.  I hope it'll sale good though.  It looks like a good game.

I suggest if your "hoping" for anything is to hope your friends and other people who don't buy new, do so to support this game. I mean seriously, your friends downloaded and don't feel It's worth $60? Well of course they don't! They didn't pay anything for it.


I do tell them to buy they games only if the games are worth it and to me Alan Wake do look like it's worth it but they still download anyway.  They been doing it for years.  They grown men and they do what they want.  It's not like they don't buy games.  They don't mine paying for shooters and sports games as long as it have online because to them it gives replay value since they have to pay for online.  Really I can't tell them to buy Alan Wake if I never played it.  I can't say if it's really good and worth the money.  Neither can you.  Unless you bought it but if not you should do the same to what you say and buy it.

I bought it brand new. About 90% of my games I purchase are brand new, the rest are either used because of significant discount or because I can't find them new. I only form my opinion on games I buy new - because buying it used would show I don't support the publisher, same for d/ling it.

My opinion is this game is awesome and everyone should buy it that owns a 360 if they want more good games of this liking to come out (I didn't beat the game yet, but everyone hints the ending hints towards a sequel. So I'm guessing good sales will lead to Alan Wake 2.)



It's just that simple.

Recon1O1 on 20 May 2010

The hate is strong here. This game would have higher review scores but lower sales on PS3 imo. Others has had a noticable decline especially in 360 sw sales but luckily the Americas, which sell around 60% of the worldwide totals lately, is yet to come. This early, partial estimate might be misleading. I won't list any of the legitimate reasons as I don't want an alleged 360 owner accusing me of 'damage control'. Hope all the haters enjoy a heaping helping of crow when this amazing game blows past a million and hits 2 LT.

Repeating the standard PS3 anti-360 exclusive bias ad nauseum doesn't change the fact we have another great game to play here in the land that glows green. The po'd pc crowd are adding to the chorus. I can understand their frustration after the promises and teasers and hope this beautiful game will eventually be seen in all it's glory. Blame it on the pirates not Remedy, M$ or me.

To those droning the 'shooterbox' meme the sales of RDR could be a very good indicator of which system sells RPGs don't you think? The PS3 has all those new owners filling out their libraries to offset the 360's rapidly shrinking hw lead, so sales should go heavily to the red, right? It will be interesting to see.

Part of the Red Dead internet frenzy is the typical reaction to any decent 360 exclusive launch I think. You want to believe RDR deserves 13 pts better on metacritic go right ahead. I know different. I'm not a big survival-horror fan and RDR will give me hundreds more hours of enjoyment but the two games are very close in production values, presentation and the obvious effort put in by two excellent dev. teams.



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themanwithnoname on 20 May 2010
CGI-Quality said:
themanwithnoname said:
CGI-Quality said:
starcraft said:
Dallinor said:
Remedy need the game to make a profit, their studio's future is resting on it.

I'm surprised by it's low debut, I thought it would at least sell 150k+ in others first week. Both SC and AW have been commercially and critically a bit of a letdown in my mind, and I think Mod Nation Racers may be next.

Not that every game needs to get perfect scores, or that metacritic is the ultimate yardstick of quality, but scores in the low 80's for exclusives a long time in the works from studios with a strong pedigree is dissapointing.

It would be an awful shame for Remedy to get into financial problems, so hopefully the game will have legs.

Splinter Cell Conviction is on track to be the highest selling Splinter Cell on an Xbox product.

At the same time, I can see you're point critically, a lot of people (in the case of Alan Wake, myself included) expected them to be AAA.

I wouldn't worry about the game losing money.  It was in production for a long time yes, but with an EXTREMELY small development team.  This isn't Killzone 2.

Killzone 2 had a large team, nothing wrong with that.

You just took that one sentence completely out of context. Remedy is not as big as Guerilla, thus they wouldn't have to sell as many copies to make a profit is all he's saying. He didn't say anything was "wrong" with Killzone 2.

And I didn't say he said anything was wrong with Killzone 2. You took THAT out of context.


So what's the point of your comment then? Quit being so overly defensive of Killzone 2 when nobody's criticizing it.



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GameAnalyser on 20 May 2010

it's getting the same sales treatment as how Max Payne 2 basically got, despite its awesomness.



Garnett on 20 May 2010
GodOfWar_3ever said:
Garnett said:
GodOfWar_3ever said:
Garnett said:
pezus said:
Garnett said:
libellule said:
Who is surprised here ?

This game was overhyped on the whole internet because it was supposed to be the "BEST GAME EVA", the BEST GFX EVA, the best survival horror game that is so good that you DO NOT HAVE the right to call it a survival horror game (thx you Remedy for this last point)

also, the game has no online multiplayer which seems to be more and more important for gamers today ...

It is released close to RDR which is getting high praising

AND the pre-orders where showing us since numerous weeks that game will not have amazing sales.

Conclusion : plz port the game to PC and I will buy it. Thx you Remedy.

Were not talking about the following gamese

  • Uncharted 1/2
  • LBP
  • R2 (Remember that guy who said Its the best looking game of 2008? LOL!)
  • MGS4
  • Selnor
  • Westley Yin-Poole (He said Crysis 2 on 360 was better than PC crysis LOL!!!)
  • GT5
  • GoW3
  • Gears 3

 

 

But this game is incredible, The graphics are mind blowing.

Since when were these "overhyped" ?

There was that stupid "HUGE" Bullshit going around when LBP was gonna come out, it was supposed to move millions of playstations and sell a million first day.

 

GT5 is supposed to be the saving god of the PS3 for some reason, people are hyping it up like it was just announced.

 

UC1/2 is the best game ever cus its only on the PS3 and the graphics are amazing and anyone who gives it less than a 100 are Xbots.

GoW3 has amazing graphics and can only be done on the PS3 and blah blah blah. We get it the game is good no need to over hype everything.

Dude, how is this even relevant here ? its way off-topic.

These games were hyped, yes..because they are amazing games...

UC2, GoW 3, LBP all are 90+ on meta and overall fan reaction has been extremely positive, unlike games like GTA IV which received a lot of meh reactions from fans.

Why exactly is GoW 3 over-hyped ? It delivered on everything it promised imo, you haven't even played ANY GoW game and you label it over-hyped... Why ? And what position are you in to say that it is..

If my memory serves me correctly, you are the same guy who said Uncharted 2's graphics were average and the textures were bad. You also said Dante's Inferno had a better story than GoW despite not playing GoW.

You continuously say these type of things which you aren't in any position to say and get away with it....

On topic though,

Games like Alan Wake, inFamous and all which were pretty hyped and didn't get the review scores as fans expected are still awesome enough for some, but not so for others.

AW sales are mildly disappointing, yes. ioi expects about 150k from America first week...so around 250k Worldwide isn't bad and it will eventually get to a million...or even more if it has insane legs. Which is brilliant for a horror/thriller title that isn't Resident Evil.

1. no one said that AW is suppoed to be the best game ever with the best graphics, unlike those games above in the read. AW had little to NO hype on the internet.

2. GoW3 is a good game im sure, but people are acting like its a new Mario 64. GoW3 is the least hyped game among that list.

3. I said UC2 had average graphics, it was just colorful and yes DI actually has a Hero that isnt always pissed off and some big brute idiot.

4. Im in no position to say my opinion? Gee Wiz most of the people on this site say their opinion like its fact. I guess since im a 360 fan im wrong for that.

 

AW will do fine in the long run, like a stripper it will have long legs.

That is just false.

True...but you have no idea about what happens in God of War. In the surface, Kratos is a big bad brute that is always pissed off...but main character =/= story

You can say your opinion..but when that opinion is expressed when you haven't played the game in question (GoW 3) then what you say cannot be taken seriously as,

(a) You don't know what the hell the game is about or how good/bad it is

(b) Therefore you clearly cannot judge whether the game deserved/lived up to the hype it got. Hence, you are in no position to say that.

This is way off topic btw..

I believe that too...guess we have something in common

1. Prove me wrong, show me people saying its the best game ever and its the best graphics ever,not just one guy but i want threads full of people saying it and graphics are just opinions, like it or not UC2 doesnt have good graphics imo.

2. I dont care if Kratos has a story like AW, if i cant relate to him why should i give 2 shits about him?

3. I have played GoW1 and 2, i found them both boring as i knew nothing about gods back then. I know the story hes out for his family, blah blah blah cliche storyline. The gameplay in GoW isnt awesome so the story draws people, and im a person who cares for gameplay not story. People who like GoW also like MGS4, they both have basic  gameplay elements with a story as the main focus. Of course its all imo.



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libellule on 20 May 2010
coolbeans said:
libellule said:
coolbeans said:
libellule said:
coolbeans said:
libellule said:
Who is surprised here ?

This game was overhyped on the whole internet because it was supposed to be the "BEST GAME EVA", the BEST GFX EVA, the best survival horror game that is so good that you DO NOT HAVE the right to call it a survival horror game (thx you Remedy for this last point)

also, the game has no online multiplayer which seems to be more and more important for gamers today ...

It is released close to RDR which is getting high praising

AND the pre-orders where showing us since numerous weeks that game will not have amazing sales.

Conclusion : plz port the game to PC and I will buy it. Thx you Remedy.

You sure you're not trying to falsely overhype the hype?

Ahhh....now it's clear ;).

 

what do you mean ? AW was overhyped. End.

Ask to anyone at VGChartz ...

and the 2 sentences that you are underlying are not linked together IMO ...

but, yes, bring the game to PC, this is were I want to play it.

I'm not saying it wasn't overhyped when going by metacritic.  I'm just saying you're falsely accusing the entire internet of going off the rails for AW with "best game eva" or "best gfx eva".  That doesn't mean there were ppl out there hyping it but be realistic about what you're saying instead of bringing everything to the utmost extreme about it. 

I promise you, plenty of people were overhyping this game (or had overexpectation about it)

it includes gaing journalist that felt in love with AW 5 years ago and where expecting a bit more from this game.
again, the game is very good but it is as good as people were expecting.

Also, low sales, are mainly explained by :
Xbox360 internet AW fans are not that much compared to the majority of Xbox360 users that do not know AW (not enoguth marketing ? not enought high review ?) and may not be interested in (no multiplayer ? others game releases ?) 

I've already recognized this previously.  The problem is your first statement makes it out to be hyped that it was going to be the second coming like other games (such as MGSIV, Halo 3, yada yada yada) which is false.  Granted if you only saw selnor's threads then I'd be inclined to agree.

I'l repeat again, I'm not saying AW didn't meet expectations or was over-hyped (according to metacritic).  I'm only saying your first post overhypes the hype.

hum, I dont go on much forum you know ...

Even on my french website, I dont have any loggin. I dont post comment or whatever.
My only "mainstream video game" login is my VCGhartz login ....

At the end, N4G and VGC are the places I go to see if the hype is high or low. For AW, IMO, It was pretty high on both board.
Perhaps, I missed the point and I just overhyped the hype



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A203D on 20 May 2010
CGI-Quality said:
A203D said:
FF_Fanatic said:
The Xbox Man said:

I didn't expect sales to be this low. That said it didn't receive much marketing, but for a title in development for 5. Its one of the best games I have played in its genre, I hope it makes a profit.

this game was hyped to be up to uncharted standards by certain fans, yet it was not, not only that it has not even sold as well as uncharted did, now if we are going by fan idiology it is even more of a flop than uncharted 1 was, so expect a pc version very very soon

Sales can surge because of good word of mouth and Uncharted certainly had a lot of that. even though i dont have an Xbox and i dont like M$, i have to admit this game looked awesome. its a shame its not selling better, considering Heavy Rain did really well, and this seemed to be better than that.

Having played them both extensively, they really have no relation. WAKE is nothing like HR, not by a long shot. It's not marketed very well either. The game has so many things working against it, not to mention it hit on the same day as RDR.

I see, i was under the impression Alan Wake was 360's Heavy Rain. i have Heavy Rain and i too have finished it extensively and i can tell you as someone who dosent like M$ i would rather have Alan Wake, and thats just looking at the trailers and stuff. i've never played it. like i said before its a shame its not selling well, a game like that seems to deserve great sales. yeah, its true that RDR cant be good for AW sales either, but if i had a choice i'd still go for Alan Wake actully.

someone on this thread also mentioned how this game would sell 1.5-2 mil, i think thats really unlikely. Mass Effect 2 hasnt reached that yet, and i would say ME has more mass market appeal than this.