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dobby985 on 20 May 2010
BMaker11 said:
CGI-Quality said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Sony fans reactions make me wonder what how the Nintendo owners felt as SE quietly slipped FFVII onto the PS1. Nintendo owners have taken that situation gracefully.

I don't believe Nintendo fans were happy either, though they probably weren't as vocal as the PlayStation crowd. Either way, the move back then was less about $ and more about fidelity (CD vs Cartridge).

And back then, it was Squaresoft.

They probably weren't as vocal because there was logical reasoning as to why they didn't make FFVII on a Nintendo console. I believe the FF Retrospective on GameTrailers even said that they began development for FFVII on the N64, then they just ran into too many snags, so they switched platforms, because the technology at hand wasn't what they needed for the game they wanted.

Nowadays? Yea Sony, we'll make an exclusive. 3 years later "yea, it's still exclusive". 6 months before release? "Sorry, it's multiplatform now". It's a giant slap in the face. And I mean really, we all knew the PS3 was doing bad in 2007. Why didn't they announce multiplat status of FFXIII then when IT ACTUALLY MADE SENSE TO DO SO, instead of in mid-2008 when the PS3 was rapidly regaining marketshare due to the price cut? 

What was the logic? 2007 "The PS3 is doing really terrible right now...but we'll keep our game exclusive to the console". 2008 "The PS3 is really picking up steam, and the userbase is growing to the point where I think it warrants the game being exclusive...but we'll make it multiplat anyway".

?????????

Why does it need to be exclusive? Lots of games are not exclusive and they are still good.



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darthdevidem01 on 20 May 2010
dobby985 said:
BMaker11 said:
CGI-Quality said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Sony fans reactions make me wonder what how the Nintendo owners felt as SE quietly slipped FFVII onto the PS1. Nintendo owners have taken that situation gracefully.

I don't believe Nintendo fans were happy either, though they probably weren't as vocal as the PlayStation crowd. Either way, the move back then was less about $ and more about fidelity (CD vs Cartridge).

And back then, it was Squaresoft.

They probably weren't as vocal because there was logical reasoning as to why they didn't make FFVII on a Nintendo console. I believe the FF Retrospective on GameTrailers even said that they began development for FFVII on the N64, then they just ran into too many snags, so they switched platforms, because the technology at hand wasn't what they needed for the game they wanted.

Nowadays? Yea Sony, we'll make an exclusive. 3 years later "yea, it's still exclusive". 6 months before release? "Sorry, it's multiplatform now". It's a giant slap in the face. And I mean really, we all knew the PS3 was doing bad in 2007. Why didn't they announce multiplat status of FFXIII then when IT ACTUALLY MADE SENSE TO DO SO, instead of in mid-2008 when the PS3 was rapidly regaining marketshare due to the price cut? 

What was the logic? 2007 "The PS3 is doing really terrible right now...but we'll keep our game exclusive to the console". 2008 "The PS3 is really picking up steam, and the userbase is growing to the point where I think it warrants the game being exclusive...but we'll make it multiplat anyway".

?????????

Why does it need to be exclusive? Lots of games are not exclusive and they are still good.

Because xbox 360 is the devil lol

{facepalm @ bmaker11}



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FranTic91 on 20 May 2010
darthdevidem01 said:
FranTic91 said:
rutea7 said:
it would be ok if they didnt throw away half of the content... but of course they would.

who else was disapointed being in nautilus park and seeing all those blocked exits to other parts of the park that would make it feel like the golden saucer?

ffxiii was a huge dispointment compared to expectations and the way that square enix hyped it (it wasnt just the fans, they promised us the best ff ever)

but yeah right, i guess wishing the game was better makes me a selfish person cause "not as many people will play it"

well i'm a gamer, i only care about the quality of the stuff i play!

if they mess with the world map and all the stuff that we already know nomura is doing.... i will... for the first time in my life.... send hate mail to them.

i know it's not gonna do anything but i'll get off my chest at least.


I wouldn't really be worried by the amount of content that will be on the disc; KH2 was on a single disc and it was still a pretty large game.

I do understand your other concerns though.

You'd think that if a company had to remove content that was already in the game in the first place, they offer it as free DLC.

It's pretty obvious you've got two different divisions with Street Fighter 4 and Lost Planet 2, for example, seeing as how SF4 and SSF4 both got Championship Mode and Tournament mode-respectively-as free DLC, whereas we've heard nothing of the content removed from Lost Planet 2.

FF6 had a whole world cut out of it (esper world)

Apparently FF4 had 40% of its content cut

FF9 had a lot of stuff relating to Terra cut out of it, as well as a fuller explanation of the Fusion spell.

FFX had LOADS cut out of it, some of which made it into FFX-2 (Shuyin, the existence of ancient ruins above Mt. Gagazet, getting to actually explore some of the Farplane) and some of which didn't (like a greater explanation of the relationship of gravity magic to pyreflies).

FF13 began development on PS2, it had lots of content scrapped from that too. 

So why is this suddenly an issue now?

Personally, I could care less about missing content in a JRPG; they're mainly about telling the story first and mostly everything else is secondary. I just think that if you've got half the knowledge to attempt answering a question you should go for it.

However, all of the games you just mentioned were from an era where DLC on consoles was still in its infancy, and Microsoft were the only ones doing it.

That era is over, and developers have ways to get extra content to its users. Now, there is a difference between removing content because it doesn't work within the story or it's just plain unecessary, but there are definitely some parts cut out of this and all of the other games you mentioned that would have been great to experience. We really are in the era of DLC, and gamers expect more from games because of it.



RageBot on 20 May 2010
dobby985 said:
BMaker11 said:
CGI-Quality said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Sony fans reactions make me wonder what how the Nintendo owners felt as SE quietly slipped FFVII onto the PS1. Nintendo owners have taken that situation gracefully.

I don't believe Nintendo fans were happy either, though they probably weren't as vocal as the PlayStation crowd. Either way, the move back then was less about $ and more about fidelity (CD vs Cartridge).

And back then, it was Squaresoft.

They probably weren't as vocal because there was logical reasoning as to why they didn't make FFVII on a Nintendo console. I believe the FF Retrospective on GameTrailers even said that they began development for FFVII on the N64, then they just ran into too many snags, so they switched platforms, because the technology at hand wasn't what they needed for the game they wanted.

Nowadays? Yea Sony, we'll make an exclusive. 3 years later "yea, it's still exclusive". 6 months before release? "Sorry, it's multiplatform now". It's a giant slap in the face. And I mean really, we all knew the PS3 was doing bad in 2007. Why didn't they announce multiplat status of FFXIII then when IT ACTUALLY MADE SENSE TO DO SO, instead of in mid-2008 when the PS3 was rapidly regaining marketshare due to the price cut? 

What was the logic? 2007 "The PS3 is doing really terrible right now...but we'll keep our game exclusive to the console". 2008 "The PS3 is really picking up steam, and the userbase is growing to the point where I think it warrants the game being exclusive...but we'll make it multiplat anyway".

?????????

Why does it need to be exclusive? Lots of games are not exclusive and they are still good.

Yeah, good, FFVII, IX and X were great.

(And IMO XIII wasn't).



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atma998 on 20 May 2010
Carl2291 said:
CGI-Quality said:
jarrod said:
Carl2291 said:
And...

What does he expect when he lies to an entire fanbase?

Well, at this point any fanbase that finds themselves sitting in last place should probably expect to be lied to on a regular basis.  At least Wada didn't say he'd cut his own head off or anything. ;)

This would make sense if the last place system didn't just handily defeat the one ahead of it regarding the game. The PS3 is miles behind the 360 in the US and look closely @ FFXIII's #s. Nevermind Others.

My thoughts exactly.

And it makes it even funnier that the very same LAST PLACE fanbase gets the game... Rather than say the... FIRST PLACE console? Wonder why that is... For a large number of games really...


...said the guy with The Last Story pic on his signature...



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Darth Tigris on 20 May 2010
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Darth Tigris said:
Fanboys are ruining the industry if Square changes their mind based on these OVERreactions. I'm embarrassed for us.


i haft to agree with you, but? wada should not be suprised? everytime a PS3 fan turns around there lossing something! but do to the fact that this could mean bigger profits for square i say go for it wada! thats a what it's all about. everyone should worrie more about the core games on there console and not so mutch about third party!

I agree for the most part.  But Wada's surprise is probably more about him thinking that, with the PS3's level of success now and being years past the uproar over the FFXIII announcement that gamers were PAST this.  Obviously he doesn't spend enough time here on VGC's forums ...



S.T.A.G.E. on 20 May 2010

In truth I feel that Wada made a promise to the PS3 owners which he need not turn his back on. If he does in truth make the game multiplatform then I cannot blame him either. If we look at this from the overall quality and potential in using the PS3 I can also see the PS3 owners gripe for sure. In essence I don't really care as long as I play the game.



Carl on 20 May 2010
atma998 said:
Carl2291 said:
CGI-Quality said:
jarrod said:
Carl2291 said:
And...

What does he expect when he lies to an entire fanbase?

Well, at this point any fanbase that finds themselves sitting in last place should probably expect to be lied to on a regular basis.  At least Wada didn't say he'd cut his own head off or anything. ;)

This would make sense if the last place system didn't just handily defeat the one ahead of it regarding the game. The PS3 is miles behind the 360 in the US and look closely @ FFXIII's #s. Nevermind Others.

My thoughts exactly.

And it makes it even funnier that the very same LAST PLACE fanbase gets the game... Rather than say the... FIRST PLACE console? Wonder why that is... For a large number of games really...


...said the guy with The Last Story pic on his signature...

I just thought a douche comment deserved a douche comment right back at it



                            

BMaker11 on 20 May 2010
darthdevidem01 said:
dobby985 said:
BMaker11 said:
CGI-Quality said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Sony fans reactions make me wonder what how the Nintendo owners felt as SE quietly slipped FFVII onto the PS1. Nintendo owners have taken that situation gracefully.

I don't believe Nintendo fans were happy either, though they probably weren't as vocal as the PlayStation crowd. Either way, the move back then was less about $ and more about fidelity (CD vs Cartridge).

And back then, it was Squaresoft.

They probably weren't as vocal because there was logical reasoning as to why they didn't make FFVII on a Nintendo console. I believe the FF Retrospective on GameTrailers even said that they began development for FFVII on the N64, then they just ran into too many snags, so they switched platforms, because the technology at hand wasn't what they needed for the game they wanted.

Nowadays? Yea Sony, we'll make an exclusive. 3 years later "yea, it's still exclusive". 6 months before release? "Sorry, it's multiplatform now". It's a giant slap in the face. And I mean really, we all knew the PS3 was doing bad in 2007. Why didn't they announce multiplat status of FFXIII then when IT ACTUALLY MADE SENSE TO DO SO, instead of in mid-2008 when the PS3 was rapidly regaining marketshare due to the price cut? 

What was the logic? 2007 "The PS3 is doing really terrible right now...but we'll keep our game exclusive to the console". 2008 "The PS3 is really picking up steam, and the userbase is growing to the point where I think it warrants the game being exclusive...but we'll make it multiplat anyway".

?????????

Why does it need to be exclusive? Lots of games are not exclusive and they are still good.

Because xbox 360 is the devil lol

{facepalm @ bmaker11}

By no means is the 360 "the devil". I happen to have owned one for 2 years (recently sold it, but I actually plan on buying another later because I sold mine purely because I needed the money. You can add me still cause I didn't cancel Live. XBL: VC Nocks). Reason I'm upset is that I've essentially been lied to over and over by Square. If it was just announced multiplat from the beginning, the net wouldn't be "heating up", as he said it. Sure, they want profit, but there's also a thing called integrity. 

And also, why facepalm on me? There's nothing incorrect or fallicious about what I've said. First paragraph makes sense, second paragraph makes sense, and while the third paragraph is inferential, it still applies



jarrod on 20 May 2010
CGI-Quality said:
jarrod said:
Carl2291 said:
And...

What does he expect when he lies to an entire fanbase?

Well, at this point any fanbase that finds themselves sitting in last place should probably expect to be lied to on a regular basis.  At least Wada didn't say he'd cut his own head off or anything. ;)

This would make sense if the last place system didn't just handily defeat the one ahead of it regarding the game. The PS3 is miles behind the 360 in the US and look closely @ FFXIII's #s. Nevermind Others.

Eh, same could be said last gen for stuff like Tales of Symphonia or SoulCalibur 2... and yet somehow Abyss and SC3 still skipped GC entirely, despite their predecessors selling best on it.  When you're not an overwhelming market leader, you're going to get jerked around regardless, just sort of the way it goes.  And if you're the overwheling market leader but you're Nintendo, you'll probably still get jerked around. ;)

Seriously though, PS3 has it much, much better than most consoles in it's position have before.  Be thankful it still got FFXIII at all.