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Fededx on 10 May 2010

GameCube's got Star Fox Adventures and Assault, Wii... not even a Star Fox game announced...

Pikmin 2 isn't on Wii, and it's not announced yet... (that's got me worried actually), GC has Donkey Konga 1 + 2 and DK Junglebeat, Wii has a terrible DK racing game, a port of Junglebeat which plays worse than the original, and nothing else...

GC has RE 0 and 1, and were origginally for it, Wii has them ported with NO IMPROVEMENTS. GC has a Metal Gear game which is quite good.

GC has F-Zero, and it's the very best game in the saga, Wii doesn't. GC has Megaman Annyversary and X Collection, Viewtiful Joe 1 + 2, Killer 7, Eternal Darkness, Skies of Arcadia, Baten Kaitos 1 and Origins, Tales of Symphonia, Paper Mario 2, Mario Tennis with good control, Zelda 4 Swords adventures, Master's quest and a collectors disk with 4 classic Zelda games! GC has even a Mario Dance Dance Revolution game with a special pad with Mario on it!

Both are great consoles, with awesome games. I don't understand why we have to choose only one... Well, I choose Wii, because it plays every GameCube game...



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Khuutra on 10 May 2010
KylieDog said:
Khuutra said:

It depends on whether or not yu see content as a valid value proposal, and hether or not content is necessarily tied into presentation, and whether or not content had anything to do with what's come before.

Let's rephrase, shall we?

In order to make an identical value proposition, we have to assume that up to now Super Mario Bros. never existed, and that as a result the platforming genre as we know it also never existed, probably kept more to someting like Pitfall until the jump to 3-D and thereafter more or less forgotten.

Would Super Mario Bros. still review in a very high range if it released today for the first time? Certainly. The game's mechanics and level design are still impeccable.

Not sure what kind of spin that is meant to be, but it did release back when it did much like those GC games released when they did.

Then the question you pose is meaningless: you're asking what would happen if Nintendo made a value proposition outside of the norm. Moe, you failed to draw a parallel between "quality" and "value" for reviewers.



SuperAnthony64 on 10 May 2010

GameCube because of Phantasy Star Oniline.



Arfen on 10 May 2010

GC    -     Wii

Super Mario Sunshine < Super Mario Galaxy
The Legend of Zelda: WW/ TP > The Legend of Zelda: TP (port)
Killer 7 < No more Heroes 1 & 2
Metroid Prime 1 < Metroid Prime Trilogy
Mario Kart Double Dash (I love it) ? Mario Kart Wii
Tales Of Symphonia > Tales Of Symphonia 2
Donkey Kong Jungle Beat > Donkey Kong Barrel Blast
Super Smash Bros Melee < Super Smash Bros Brawl
Fire Emblem Path of Radiance > Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn
Mario Party 4, 5, 6, & 7 > Mario Party 8

Viewtiful Joe 1 & 2 -------------------------------- Zack & Wiki

Luigi's Mansion--------------------------------- Little King's Story

Baten Kaitos 1 & 2----------------------------- Monster Hunter Tri

F Zero GX ------------------------------------------ Muramasa

Beyond Good & Evil --------------------------- New Super Mario World

Metal Gear Solid --------------------------------------- Red Steel 2

Rogue Squadron 1 & 2 -----------------------------Silent Hill SM

Star Fox Adventures --------------------------Tatsunoko vs Capcom

Chibi Robo ------------------------------------------------Okami

Odama --------------------------------------------Rabbids Go home

Wave Race ----------------------------------------Wario Land SD

Ikaruga ----------------------------------------- Sin & Punishment 2

Pikmin 1 & 2 ------------------------------------ RE: Darkside Ch.

Eternal Darkness ----------------------------- Madworld

.....




bigjon on 10 May 2010

the biggest differnce within series is

MKWii >>>>>>>>> MK DD

also
MP3 = MP1 imo, but MP3 > MP2
Brawl > Melee
SMG >>>> SMS
ToS:DTNW FEWii = FE GC

The GC has a few gems in ED, Viewtiful Joes, etc.
Wii has more MH3, WiiSports and Resort, WiiFit, Madworld, Zak and Wiki.... it is just a better list already.

If Zelda Wii is better than WW than it is cemented for good.



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TheWon on 10 May 2010

THis topic is as bad as saying the Gamecube was more hardcore than the Wii.
The Wii already surpass the Gamecube in sales, games, 3rd Party support, and games made by Nintendo. Throw in Online, VC store, DS to Wii connectivity. So Wii wins!

What's better Xbox or 360? 360!
Now the real question is what has better library The PS2 or the PS3! Despite the PS3 being a superior system. The PS2 still has overall better games! In my opinion!



 

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nathantay on 10 May 2010

The Gamecube for me. It has games that I actually like to play.



         

jarrod on 10 May 2010
KylieDog said:
jarrod said:
KylieDog said:
jarrod said:
KylieDog said:
Gamecube, easily.


I'll even go as far to say if you remove Nintendo developed games from the GC its still got a better library than the Wii has even with Nintendo games.


lol, no. I can maybe see someone arguing for GC depending on their tastes if you include Nintendo (and count retail Wii only, if you add VC/WW it's over), but 3rd party?  Wii's lineup RAPES Gamecube.  Hell, I'd say even Capcom alone already has a better Wii lineup (REmake/0/4, MH3, TVC, Okami, Z&W, MM9/10) than they did GC (REmake/0/4/2/3/CV, Viewtiful Joe 1/2/RHR, PN03, K7, CVS2, MMNT).

 

I think listing ports of last gen games in defence of the Wii library shows a weakness more than strength, especially when some of those ports offer no additional content.

Uh, but I also listed ports for GC with no additional content (RE2/3/CV, CVS2) and a remake (Remake)?  If you're talking purely original releases only, you've got MH3, TVC, Z&W & MM9/10 versus RE0/4, VJ1/2/RHR, PN03 K7 & MMNT.  It's closer, but the Wii lineup still wins out imo, and it still has more coming (like Basara 3).  

 

Actually (in Europe at least) the ports of the RE games from PS1 had additional content that was otherwise only available on the Dreamcast which was from the same gen as GC.  CVX and CvS2 were the same gen too.  REmake was a brand new game, it was not a port or a tweaked port.

GC versions were still later ports.  REmake wasn't "brand new", though it was a ground up remake to the degree where I wouldn't have a problem counting it.  Of course, you could probably make the same sort of argument for Dead Rising Wii.  And honestly, the time gap between some of the Wii ports (RE4, Okami) is actually less time than CVX GC was.

Anyway, comparing made-for-the-platform "original" titles...

GameCube 

  • Resident Evil (2002) remake
  • Disney's Magical Mirror (2002) published by Nintendo
  • Resident Evil Zero (2002) co-developed by TOSE Software
  • PN03 (2003)
  • MegaMan Network Transmission (2003) developed by Arika
  • Viewtiful Joe (2003)
  • Gotcha Force (2003)
  • Disney's Hide & Sneak (2003)
  • MegaMan X: Command Mission (2004)
  • Viewtiful Joe 2 (2004) developed by Clover Studio
  • Resident Evil 4 (2005)
  • Killer 7 (2005) developed by Grasshopper Manufacture
  • Viewtiful Joe: Red Hot Rumble (2005) developed by Clover Studio

Wii

  • Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barabos' Treasure (2007)
  • Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles (2007) developed by cavia
  • We Love Golf! (2007) developed by Camelot Software Planning
  • Harvey Birdman: Attorney at Law (2008) developed by High Voltage Software
  • MegaMan 9 (2008) developed by inti-creates
  • Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom: Cross-Generation of Heroes (2008) co-developed by 8ing
  • Dead Rising: Chop Till You Drop (2009) conversion, co-developed by TOSE Software
  • Monster Hunter Tri (2009)
  • Spyborgs (2009) developed by Bionic Games
  • Resident Evil: The DarkSide Chronicles (2009) developed by cavia
  • Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom: Ultimate All-Stars (2010) co-developed by 8ing
  • MegaMan 10 (2010) developed by inti-creates
  • Sengoku Basara: Samurai Heroes (2010)

 

...and then ports...

GameCube

  • Capcom Vs. SNK EO (2002)
  • Resident Evil 2 (2003) ported by TOSE Software
  • Resident Evil 3: Nemesis (2003) ported by TOSE Software
  • auto modellista (2003)
  • Resident Evil: Code: Veronica X (2004) co-developed by Nextech
  • MegaMan Anniversay Collection (2004) ported by Atomic Planet Entertainment
  • Mobile Suit Gundam: Gundam Vs. Zeta-Gundam (2004) published by Bandai
  • MegaMan X Collection (2006) ported by Klein Computer Enterainment

Wii

  • Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition (2007)
  • Sengoku Basara 2 Heroes (2007)
  • Okami (2008) developed by Clover Studio, ported by R.A.D. Studios
  • Resident Evil Archives: Resident Evil Zero (2008) co-developed by TOSE Software
  • MotoGP 08 (2008) developed by Milestone S.R.L.
  • Resident Evil Archives: Resident Evil (2008)
  • Neopets Puzzle Adventure (2008) developed by Infinite Interactive
  • Monster Hunter G (2009)
  • Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney (2010)
  • Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Justice for All (2010)
  • Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney: Trials and Tribulations(2010)

Wii (Virtual Console)

  • Street Fighter II: The World Warrior (2006) SNES
  • Super Ghouls 'n Ghosts (2007) SNES
  • Final Fight (2007) SNES
  • MegaMan (2007) NES
  • Street Fighter II' Turbo: Hyper Fighting (2007) SNES
  • Breath of Fire II (2007) SNES
  • Ghouls 'n Ghosts (2007) Genesis
  • Ghosts 'n Goblins (2007) NES
  • MegaMan 2 (2007) NES
  • Super Street Fighter II: The New Challengers (2007) SNES
  • Forgotten Worlds (2008) Genesis
  • Street Fighter II' Special Champion Edition (2008) Genesis
  • MERCs (2008) Genesis
  • MegaMan 3 (2008) NES
  • Dai Makai-Mura (2009) SGX
  • Fighting Street (2009) TGCD
  • Final Fight 2 (2009) SNES
  • Street Fighter II' Champion Edition (2009) TGCD
  • Street Fighter Alpha 2 (2009) SNES
  • Final Fight 3 (2010) SNES
  • MegaMan 4 (2010) NES
  • Strider (TBA) Genesis
  • Super Street Fighter II: The New Challengers (TBA) Genesis

 

...and all that's with another year+ to go on the Wii side.  If we launch aligned GC would lose Killer 7, Viewtiful Joe RHR and MMX Collection.



Arius Dion on 10 May 2010
bigjon said:
the biggest differnce within series is

MKWii >>>>>>>>> MK DD

also
MP3 = MP1 imo, but MP3 > MP2
Brawl > Melee
SMG >>>> SMS
ToS:DTNW < ToS
FEWii = FE GC

The GC has a few gems in ED, Viewtiful Joes, etc.
Wii has more MH3, WiiSports and Resort, WiiFit, Madworld, Zak and Wiki.... it is just a better list already.

If Zelda Wii is better than WW than it is cemented for good.

Exactly this.



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KungKras on 10 May 2010

The Wii also has the entire Gamecube library, so...



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