Carl2291 said:
I know EXACTLY what you mean with that last sentence. Not even allowed to celebrate St. Georges Day...
Something needs to change, and fast. |
Who on Earth told you that you're not allowed to celebrate St. George's day. I think I've celebrated every year unhindered.
| highwaystar101 said: The people Nick Griffin is talking about are not immigrants, wanting a lot less immigrants has nothing to do with it. They are British people. As the woman pointed out, they are people who have probably never even been to the country Nick Griffin would pay them to go to. His sole basis is essentially to kick out British people with foreign blood in them. I'm all for limiting the amount of immigrants from none EU countries and allowing them in based on what they can offer, and I'm not racist. Opposing immigration is not a binary state where those who oppose immigration are automatically racist. My view is not a racist immigration view. However "Keep them all out, they're all job stealing benefit cheating scum" is. Having an opinion on reducing immigration isn't automatically racist, in my example the former isn't and the latter is. All politicians have their own agenda, I could pick at them all day (especially Cameron), I'm not denying that they don't. But Nick Griffins agenda would ruin the NHS, could you imagine sending all those doctors home? Even if you managed to open up more University places to study medicine for people in A-levels now, then you would still be here in seven years or so waiting for competent British doctors, while in the mean time the Non-British doctors have vacated the country and left the NHS grossly understaffed. And I am certain that he'll not allow an Israeli doctor, even in the interview you posted he said essentially the only immigrant workers given the chance would be the Irish and French. His manifesto says third world doctors, but it's pretty clear he has a wider definition. Nick Griffin is just a racist, he hates non-British people, he was a member of the National front for a start. |
So? I don't care if they are British or not. He's giving them a choice. They can make there own mind up... So it's not really a big problem and "Oh my god! D:" situation IMO. If they DO want to leave and go to a country that NEEDS them, then so what? It's UP TO THEM.
Again, he doesn't say that either. (Regarding the "Keep them all out, they're all job stealing benefit cheating scum"). Infact, he says the opposite. He says people (and the family) would be welcome if they could contribute well to things we need. We don't need factory workers from abroad, we don't need joiners, electricians, plumbers, etc. from abroad.
Why should we provide for some Afghan refugee? We shouldn't, especially when we have BRITISH homeless people living on OUR streets. Why does a foreigner deserve a mansion in Britain with benefits, where a BRITISH person can't even get a single bedroom house.
He's not saying he would send them home. He is saying they would have the CHOICE. If they wanted to, he would give them money to do so. A LOT of money.
And the rest of it is just "I think this... So this is true!", so i don't feel i need to answer it tbh...
300 years ago my family was French. I'd quite happily take £50,000 to go and live in the south of France. Maybe I should vote BNP afterall...
| Khuutra said: How is offering to let natural-born British citizens take fifty thousand pounds to leave the country for a place they've never been to racist? How is it racist for him to imply that the country would be better off if it was only white? How would it be racist to pay non-whites to get otu of th countyr, even if British culture is all they've understood or known? How is it racist to talk to someone of African descent (whose family has lived in Britain for generations) and say to them "I will give you fifty thousand pounds if you go back to the jungle"? I have no idea whatsoever. |
Firstly, it's never said if they would go up to people and actually offer them whatever it would be called. It's HIGHLY likely that people who would want it, would apply for it. It's not like some guy in a suit would go up to a group of black people and say "Here, do you want to leave... We will pay you!". In London he would probably be stabbed ¬_¬
Secondly, he doesn't say the country would be better off if it was only white. If so, he wouldn't offer it to white people.
Thirdly, if you think giving someone a chance to help a country that they are desended from is racist... I really don't know what to say to you.
highwaystar101 said:
Who on Earth told you that you're not allowed to celebrate St. George's day. I think I've celebrated every year unhindered. |
Visit Bradford town center next year on St. Georges Day, and you will see.
FootballFan said:
From my interpretation, British jobs for British worker meant that if, two people of the same ability went for a job the British person would get priority. If it was the case that he was putting the case forward that British people could go for any job in Britain and they would ahve an equal oppotunity of getting it as a foreign national then why even mention anything? To your last point, if there wasn't such a underfunding of the school system there wouldn't be a need to get foreign scienstist and people in the first place. For way to long we have been having a worse education success rate than many european countries. |
Favouring a British worker with the same ability is fine, but the fact is a foreign national can apply for any job they like and if they're significantly better then they'll get the job.
British jobs for British workers would mostly affect the unskilled, so if two people went for an interview as a shelf stacker, the British person would be more likely to get hired. However, if they went for an interview at a nuclear power station and the British applicant held an a-level in physics and the German applicant held a PhD in nuclear Physics, then the German would get the job.
That system is not racist, it's just supporting your own people a little bit. Whereas just letting British people get jobs over the foreign worker regardless of experience, or even just outright instructing the foreign worker on what the job they have to do is, is not acceptable.
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As for schooling, yes the system isn't perfect, but what is the solution? You can't just fund the schools indefinitely to produce more scientists, the well acknowledged fact that their is no correlation between states education funding and states average grades in the USA is evidence of this.
The problem lies much deeper. The schools system isn't underfunded, it's under performing.
Carl2291 said:
Firstly, it's never said if they would go up to people and actually offer them whatever it would be called. It's HIGHLY likely that people who would want it, would apply for it. It's not like some guy in a suit would go up to a group of black people and say "Here, do you want to leave... We will pay you!". In London he would probably be stabbed ¬_¬ Secondly, he doesn't say the country would be better off if it was only white. If so, he wouldn't offer it to white people. Thirdly, if you think giving someone a chance to help a country that they are desended from is racist... I really don't know what to say to you. |
Firstly, he doesn't have to go up to them personally: he's already done this in effect by even suggesting the policy.
Secondly, I suppose I should be more specific: ethnic Britons rather than white people. And yes, he does imply that the country would be better off if it was only ethnic Britons, and yes, that is tremendously racist.
Thirdly, you cannot possibly think that this is about "help[ing] a country that they are descended from". This is about getting non-Britons out of Britain. Yes, that is tremendously racist, and trying to defend it is beneath you.
Carl2291 said:
Visit Bradford town center next year on St. Georges Day, and you will see. |
So who's telling you? Bradford council or it's residents?
If it was the council you have the right to be outraged, if you are being told by the residents then they have no right to tell you that you can't. Even if it means you get beaten up, you are still allowed to celebrate St. Georges day, and if you do get beaten up then those who did it will be arrested for breaking the law.
That's a brilliant policy in the middle of a recession, with a huge, and growing, Government deficit - pay our work force £50k per person to leave! Fantastic.
And what happens once all of those who are willing to leave at 50k are gone? Will the BNP increase their "generous" offer, or just kick them out, anyway?
| Khuutra said: Firstly, he doesn't have to go up to them personally: he's already done this in effect by even suggesting the policy. Secondly, I suppose I should be more specific: ethnic Britons rather than white people. And yes, he does imply that the country would be better off if it was only ethnic Britons, and yes, that is tremendously racist. Thirdly, you cannot possibly think that this is about "help[ing] a country that they are descended from". This is about getting non-Britons out of Britain. Yes, that is tremendously racist, and trying to defend it is beneath you. |
I guess we just have differing opinions on what is "racist" then.
Fair enough.
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