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Hmm, Ok so there was an Incident in Rochester MN that proves the opposite of what you are saying. A few years back a mosque in downtown was being renovated. A gentleman on the contractors team had mentioned he was Jewish. Upon hearing this, a young Muslim who could barely speak English, grabbed a shovel and ran at the guy saying "I kill you! I kill you!" this is not isolated...the Coran can be foggy as you want to make it out to be. The fact is, a great many Muslims DO believe the portion of the Coran that commands them to kill all Jews. 

I want you to do me a favour and go out and google a few events that may just soothe your ignorance. Look up The Crusades, the Inquisition and actually read the bible and then ask yourself if Christians are much better. Every religion has it's extremist who will twist the word's of their own religion so that it suit's their purpose. A great many Christians believe that gay people should be burnt alive, black people should be slaves and that President Obama is the anti Christ.

Whoa! So you admit I'm right? I know other religions have their dark moments...but that's not the conversation here is it? This conversation is about Jewish/Muslim relations. If you wish to discuss other religions that have absolutely nothing to do with the topic, start your own thread. In the future I would refrain from insulting other members, the mods tend not to like that.

I never insulted you, I'm educating you. You used one example about a bad muslim and then used that example to generalise all muslims. I then gave an example of extremist from other religions which act in the same way, my example showed that the religion in question isn't to blame but the certain mindsets of people are to blame. Your just discriminating against a whole section of the world just because you watched a few bad segments on your local news broadcast.

What part of "...that just may sooth your ignorance" is not an insult? You need to reread your post. I do hope you at least got a warning for that. 

And if you think that my single example is isolated then you sir, live in a fantasy world. hey, here's another fun fact. My dad worked at the IBM building in Rochester MN (you know, the one that is over a mile long?) on 9/11 not a single Muslim came to work, this was reportedly the case in many other businesses in Rochester. Now you can try and tell me that the Muslim religion is one of peace and love, but I know better, they knew about the impending attack and didn't warn anybody. I made a generalization because while it's obviously not something all Muslims follow (and I know because I had a Muslim friend back in college) over in the middle east there are many who do believe that the Coran orders them to kill all Jews. And obviously even here in America there are those that do. So go ahead, call me discriminatory, but I know better.

@Final Fan, yes, the Coran DOES make it quite clear that Muslims are to kill all Jews Some muslims obviously don't believe that, but there are too many that do for me to just dismiss it. 

And as for my anecdote why in the world would a young Muslim come at the one guy on the crew that was Jewish, and not any of the other guys? In-fact, no matter how offensive, that is no reason to try and kill somebody, that is a sure sign of intolerance. No matter which way you try and twist it, it's quite clear that the Muslim intended to kill the Jewish guy BECAUSE he was Jewish. And trying to dismiss it by calling it third hand is just silly. It did happen and there is more than one person who can testify to it. 

@ both of you, i'm sorry that I have dared insult your favorite religion, but as Doobie_wop so aptly put it, no religion is spotless, so settle down.



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Islam is peace.
/ironie off

you americans dont even know the real islam, you should see germany and how the german government doesnt do anything against them here, its depressing
our culture gets destroyed and the only thing the government does is "fight against right [nazism]"
but the muslims are much more aggressive

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mankind should have learnt from the mistakes they made before the 2nd WW, everyone watched but nobody did anything and many people died because of that
now the exact same thing is happening RIGHT NOW but the only thing nato does is bashing isael, altough it is the only democratic country in the middle east
if isreal falls than europe will fall aswell and we will have a 3rd WW but not against nationalism or communism but the radical islam...
dont hide from the truth, we have to fight the radical islam (not the muslims)



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ironman said:
What part of "...that just may sooth your ignorance" is not an insult? You need to reread your post. I do hope you at least got a warning for that. 

And if you think that my single example is isolated then you sir, live in a fantasy world. hey, here's another fun fact. My dad worked at the IBM building in Rochester MN (you know, the one that is over a mile long?) on 9/11 not a single Muslim came to work, this was reportedly the case in many other businesses in Rochester. Now you can try and tell me that the Muslim religion is one of peace and love, but I know better, they knew about the impending attack and didn't warn anybody. I made a generalization because while it's obviously not something all Muslims follow (and I know because I had a Muslim friend back in college) over in the middle east there are many who do believe that the Coran orders them to kill all Jews. And obviously even here in America there are those that do. So go ahead, call me discriminatory, but I know better.

@Final Fan, yes, the Coran DOES make it quite clear that Muslims are to kill all Jews Some muslims obviously don't believe that, but there are too many that do for me to just dismiss it. 

And as for my anecdote why in the world would a young Muslim come at the one guy on the crew that was Jewish, and not any of the other guys? In-fact, no matter how offensive, that is no reason to try and kill somebody, that is a sure sign of intolerance. No matter which way you try and twist it, it's quite clear that the Muslim intended to kill the Jewish guy BECAUSE he was Jewish. And trying to dismiss it by calling it third hand is just silly. It did happen and there is more than one person who can testify to it. 

@ both of you, i'm sorry that I have dared insult your favorite religion, but as Doobie_wop so aptly put it, no religion is spotless, so settle down.

"on 9/11 not a single Muslim came to work, this was reportedly the case in many other businesses in Rochester. Now you can try and tell me that the Muslim religion is one of peace and love, but I know better, they knew about the impending attack and didn't warn anybody."

Okay, I know now from this that you are beyond reasoning with.  This is a hilarious conspiracy theory.  You think that not only are the vast majority of Muslims completely united in terrorist conspiracy attacks, but that they are all in communication with each other, and not ONE of them told authorities or even had communications intercepted by authorities or let it slip to anyone who would tell the cops.  And after the fact no one noticed this except the chain email senders. 

Just to be clear, though, I want to confirm that you are telling me that Carl2291's source is LYING when it claims that the Koran also says to treat Jews as brothers?  Or somehow is completely wrong, whereas you who no doubt have not ever read it know that that instruction does not exist? 

As for the anecdote, considering your other tale I now seriously doubt that anything of the sort happened.  Maybe a worker got into a fight with some guy after insults were exchanged.  I don't even care. 

And Islam is not a favorite religion of mine, nor even do I know more than a couple people who believe it, but when I see people making ridiculous claims (like one guy who said that Islam's God was, in fact, Satan) I stand up against it, just as I would against claims that the Holocaust didn't happen or the sky is on fire.  Or that radical islamic nations could conquer Europe. 



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Hmm, Ok so there was an Incident in Rochester MN that proves the opposite of what you are saying. A few years back a mosque in downtown was being renovated. A gentleman on the contractors team had mentioned he was Jewish. Upon hearing this, a young Muslim who could barely speak English, grabbed a shovel and ran at the guy saying "I kill you! I kill you!" this is not isolated...the Coran can be foggy as you want to make it out to be. The fact is, a great many Muslims DO believe the portion of the Coran that commands them to kill all Jews. 

I want you to do me a favour and go out and google a few events that may just soothe your ignorance. Look up The Crusades, the Inquisition and actually read the bible and then ask yourself if Christians are much better. Every religion has it's extremist who will twist the word's of their own religion so that it suit's their purpose. A great many Christians believe that gay people should be burnt alive, black people should be slaves and that President Obama is the anti Christ.

Whoa! So you admit I'm right? I know other religions have their dark moments...but that's not the conversation here is it? This conversation is about Jewish/Muslim relations. If you wish to discuss other religions that have absolutely nothing to do with the topic, start your own thread. In the future I would refrain from insulting other members, the mods tend not to like that.

I never insulted you, I'm educating you. You used one example about a bad muslim and then used that example to generalise all muslims. I then gave an example of extremist from other religions which act in the same way, my example showed that the religion in question isn't to blame but the certain mindsets of people are to blame. Your just discriminating against a whole section of the world just because you watched a few bad segments on your local news broadcast.

What part of "...that just may sooth your ignorance" is not an insult? You need to reread your post. I do hope you at least got a warning for that. 

And if you think that my single example is isolated then you sir, live in a fantasy world. hey, here's another fun fact. My dad worked at the IBM building in Rochester MN (you know, the one that is over a mile long?) on 9/11 not a single Muslim came to work, this was reportedly the case in many other businesses in Rochester. Now you can try and tell me that the Muslim religion is one of peace and love, but I know better, they knew about the impending attack and didn't warn anybody. I made a generalization because while it's obviously not something all Muslims follow (and I know because I had a Muslim friend back in college) over in the middle east there are many who do believe that the Coran orders them to kill all Jews. And obviously even here in America there are those that do. So go ahead, call me discriminatory, but I know better.

@Final Fan, yes, the Coran DOES make it quite clear that Muslims are to kill all Jews Some muslims obviously don't believe that, but there are too many that do for me to just dismiss it. 

And as for my anecdote why in the world would a young Muslim come at the one guy on the crew that was Jewish, and not any of the other guys? In-fact, no matter how offensive, that is no reason to try and kill somebody, that is a sure sign of intolerance. No matter which way you try and twist it, it's quite clear that the Muslim intended to kill the Jewish guy BECAUSE he was Jewish. And trying to dismiss it by calling it third hand is just silly. It did happen and there is more than one person who can testify to it. 

@ both of you, i'm sorry that I have dared insult your favorite religion, but as Doobie_wop so aptly put it, no religion is spotless, so settle down.

@ Doobie_wop - The amount of christians who think gays should be burnt alive, blacks as slaves and who think president Obama is the antichrist is probably the same amount as the 1 percent of muslims who actually support terrorism so before you so ignorantly use  the term "many" get your facts straight.

@ ironman - Please provide references or articles where it stated that most muslims didn't show up for work that day. It probably has the same credibility as the internet rumours that 4000 jews didnt show up to work at the world trade center that day. Also there is more than enough evidence out there and quite the heavy debate wether or not 9/11 itself was a false flag attack (which is another topic on its own).



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Final-Fan said:
ironman said:
What part of "...that just may sooth your ignorance" is not an insult? You need to reread your post. I do hope you at least got a warning for that. 

And if you think that my single example is isolated then you sir, live in a fantasy world. hey, here's another fun fact. My dad worked at the IBM building in Rochester MN (you know, the one that is over a mile long?) on 9/11 not a single Muslim came to work, this was reportedly the case in many other businesses in Rochester. Now you can try and tell me that the Muslim religion is one of peace and love, but I know better, they knew about the impending attack and didn't warn anybody. I made a generalization because while it's obviously not something all Muslims follow (and I know because I had a Muslim friend back in college) over in the middle east there are many who do believe that the Coran orders them to kill all Jews. And obviously even here in America there are those that do. So go ahead, call me discriminatory, but I know better.

@Final Fan, yes, the Coran DOES make it quite clear that Muslims are to kill all Jews Some muslims obviously don't believe that, but there are too many that do for me to just dismiss it. 

And as for my anecdote why in the world would a young Muslim come at the one guy on the crew that was Jewish, and not any of the other guys? In-fact, no matter how offensive, that is no reason to try and kill somebody, that is a sure sign of intolerance. No matter which way you try and twist it, it's quite clear that the Muslim intended to kill the Jewish guy BECAUSE he was Jewish. And trying to dismiss it by calling it third hand is just silly. It did happen and there is more than one person who can testify to it. 

@ both of you, i'm sorry that I have dared insult your favorite religion, but as Doobie_wop so aptly put it, no religion is spotless, so settle down.

"on 9/11 not a single Muslim came to work, this was reportedly the case in many other businesses in Rochester. Now you can try and tell me that the Muslim religion is one of peace and love, but I know better, they knew about the impending attack and didn't warn anybody."

Okay, I know now from this that you are beyond reasoning with.  This is a hilarious conspiracy theory.  You think that not only are the vast majority of Muslims completely united in terrorist conspiracy attacks, but that they are all in communication with each other, and not ONE of them told authorities or even had communications intercepted by authorities or let it slip to anyone who would tell the cops.  And after the fact no one noticed this except the chain email senders. 

Just to be clear, though, I want to confirm that you are telling me that Carl2291's source is LYING when it claims that the Koran also says to treat Jews as brothers?  Or somehow is completely wrong, whereas you who no doubt have not ever read it know that that instruction does not exist? 

As for the anecdote, considering your other tale I now seriously doubt that anything of the sort happened.  Maybe a worker got into a fight with some guy after insults were exchanged.  I don't even care. 

And Islam is not a favorite religion of mine, nor even do I know more than a couple people who believe it, but when I see people making ridiculous claims (like one guy who said that Islam's God was, in fact, Satan) I stand up against it, just as I would against claims that the Holocaust didn't happen or the sky is on fire.  Or that radical islamic nations could conquer Europe. 

Hey leave him alone, he probably is probably just brainwashed by the Fox News propaganda machine (glenn beck and bill orielly) just like a lot of left wing people are brainwashed by the MSNBC propaganda machine.



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All right, I admit that I was exaggerating with the "beyond reasoning with"; after all, I then proceeded to try to reason with him. The rest, though, is simple rebuttal or counterargument or demand for evidence. If you repeat a claim like that, you should be prepared for consequences like people calling you on it.



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Nirvana_Nut85 said:
Final-Fan said:
ironman said:
What part of "...that just may sooth your ignorance" is not an insult? You need to reread your post. I do hope you at least got a warning for that. 

And if you think that my single example is isolated then you sir, live in a fantasy world. hey, here's another fun fact. My dad worked at the IBM building in Rochester MN (you know, the one that is over a mile long?) on 9/11 not a single Muslim came to work, this was reportedly the case in many other businesses in Rochester. Now you can try and tell me that the Muslim religion is one of peace and love, but I know better, they knew about the impending attack and didn't warn anybody. I made a generalization because while it's obviously not something all Muslims follow (and I know because I had a Muslim friend back in college) over in the middle east there are many who do believe that the Coran orders them to kill all Jews. And obviously even here in America there are those that do. So go ahead, call me discriminatory, but I know better.

@Final Fan, yes, the Coran DOES make it quite clear that Muslims are to kill all Jews Some muslims obviously don't believe that, but there are too many that do for me to just dismiss it. 

And as for my anecdote why in the world would a young Muslim come at the one guy on the crew that was Jewish, and not any of the other guys? In-fact, no matter how offensive, that is no reason to try and kill somebody, that is a sure sign of intolerance. No matter which way you try and twist it, it's quite clear that the Muslim intended to kill the Jewish guy BECAUSE he was Jewish. And trying to dismiss it by calling it third hand is just silly. It did happen and there is more than one person who can testify to it. 

@ both of you, i'm sorry that I have dared insult your favorite religion, but as Doobie_wop so aptly put it, no religion is spotless, so settle down.

"on 9/11 not a single Muslim came to work, this was reportedly the case in many other businesses in Rochester. Now you can try and tell me that the Muslim religion is one of peace and love, but I know better, they knew about the impending attack and didn't warn anybody."

Okay, I know now from this that you are beyond reasoning with.  This is a hilarious conspiracy theory.  You think that not only are the vast majority of Muslims completely united in terrorist conspiracy attacks, but that they are all in communication with each other, and not ONE of them told authorities or even had communications intercepted by authorities or let it slip to anyone who would tell the cops.  And after the fact no one noticed this except the chain email senders. 

Just to be clear, though, I want to confirm that you are telling me that Carl2291's source is LYING when it claims that the Koran also says to treat Jews as brothers?  Or somehow is completely wrong, whereas you who no doubt have not ever read it know that that instruction does not exist? 

As for the anecdote, considering your other tale I now seriously doubt that anything of the sort happened.  Maybe a worker got into a fight with some guy after insults were exchanged.  I don't even care. 

And Islam is not a favorite religion of mine, nor even do I know more than a couple people who believe it, but when I see people making ridiculous claims (like one guy who said that Islam's God was, in fact, Satan) I stand up against it, just as I would against claims that the Holocaust didn't happen or the sky is on fire.  Or that radical islamic nations could conquer Europe. 

Hey leave him alone, he probably is probably just brainwashed by the Fox News propaganda machine (glenn beck and bill orielly) just like a lot of left wing people are brainwashed by the MSNBC propaganda machine.

Stick to the substance, calling people brainwashed and ignorant is a good way to devolve the conversation into pointless bickering. 

Make your substantive points, rebutt his, and leave the rest of the crap out of it.

PS - This goes for everyone in here.  I don't like to intervene with mod powers in political topics, but if things keep progressing this way I have no problem setting the converation back on the right path by whatever means necessary.



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Sqrl said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:
Final-Fan said:
ironman said:
What part of "...that just may sooth your ignorance" is not an insult? You need to reread your post. I do hope you at least got a warning for that. 

And if you think that my single example is isolated then you sir, live in a fantasy world. hey, here's another fun fact. My dad worked at the IBM building in Rochester MN (you know, the one that is over a mile long?) on 9/11 not a single Muslim came to work, this was reportedly the case in many other businesses in Rochester. Now you can try and tell me that the Muslim religion is one of peace and love, but I know better, they knew about the impending attack and didn't warn anybody. I made a generalization because while it's obviously not something all Muslims follow (and I know because I had a Muslim friend back in college) over in the middle east there are many who do believe that the Coran orders them to kill all Jews. And obviously even here in America there are those that do. So go ahead, call me discriminatory, but I know better.

@Final Fan, yes, the Coran DOES make it quite clear that Muslims are to kill all Jews Some muslims obviously don't believe that, but there are too many that do for me to just dismiss it. 

And as for my anecdote why in the world would a young Muslim come at the one guy on the crew that was Jewish, and not any of the other guys? In-fact, no matter how offensive, that is no reason to try and kill somebody, that is a sure sign of intolerance. No matter which way you try and twist it, it's quite clear that the Muslim intended to kill the Jewish guy BECAUSE he was Jewish. And trying to dismiss it by calling it third hand is just silly. It did happen and there is more than one person who can testify to it. 

@ both of you, i'm sorry that I have dared insult your favorite religion, but as Doobie_wop so aptly put it, no religion is spotless, so settle down.

"on 9/11 not a single Muslim came to work, this was reportedly the case in many other businesses in Rochester. Now you can try and tell me that the Muslim religion is one of peace and love, but I know better, they knew about the impending attack and didn't warn anybody."

Okay, I know now from this that you are beyond reasoning with.  This is a hilarious conspiracy theory.  You think that not only are the vast majority of Muslims completely united in terrorist conspiracy attacks, but that they are all in communication with each other, and not ONE of them told authorities or even had communications intercepted by authorities or let it slip to anyone who would tell the cops.  And after the fact no one noticed this except the chain email senders. 

Just to be clear, though, I want to confirm that you are telling me that Carl2291's source is LYING when it claims that the Koran also says to treat Jews as brothers?  Or somehow is completely wrong, whereas you who no doubt have not ever read it know that that instruction does not exist? 

As for the anecdote, considering your other tale I now seriously doubt that anything of the sort happened.  Maybe a worker got into a fight with some guy after insults were exchanged.  I don't even care. 

And Islam is not a favorite religion of mine, nor even do I know more than a couple people who believe it, but when I see people making ridiculous claims (like one guy who said that Islam's God was, in fact, Satan) I stand up against it, just as I would against claims that the Holocaust didn't happen or the sky is on fire.  Or that radical islamic nations could conquer Europe. 

Hey leave him alone, he probably is probably just brainwashed by the Fox News propaganda machine (glenn beck and bill orielly) just like a lot of left wing people are brainwashed by the MSNBC propaganda machine.

Stick to the substance, calling people brainwashed and ignorant is a good way to devolve the conversation into pointless bickering. 

Make your substantive points, rebutt his, and leave the rest of the crap out of it.

PS - This goes for everyone in here.  I don't like to intervene with mod powers in political topics, but if things keep progressing this way I have no problem setting the converation back on the right path by whatever means necessary.

My statement does have substance though Ishould  have worded it better, instead of making it more of a joke. Clearly the media does brainwash people with propaganda by repeating words over and over again like 9/11. terrorist, muslim extremist, all in the same sentence that when you cannot differentiate between the bullshit that is being propagated to you and what the actual facts are, then it's stored in your subconscious mind and you actually start believing the likes of Glenn Beck (samething goes for left wing propaganda as well).

To believe reports that muslims were not showing up for work at businesses because they all had some secret network of knowledge that the terrorists attacks were going to happen that day, alone proves my statement.



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Nirvana_Nut85 said:

@ Doobie_wop - The amount of christians who think gays should be burnt alive, blacks as slaves and who think president Obama is the antichrist is probably the same amount as the 1 percent of muslims who actually support terrorism so before you so ignorantly use  the term "many" get your facts straight.

@ ironman - Please provide references or articles where it stated that most muslims didn't show up for work that day. It probably has the same credibility as the internet rumours that 4000 jews didnt show up to work at the world trade center that day. Also there is more than enough evidence out there and quite the heavy debate wether or not 9/11 itself was a false flag attack (which is another topic on its own).

As soon as you said that I lost interest in anything else you had to say on the topic. The extremist are the same in every religion, just because one get's more TV exposure than the other it doesn't mean that their ideology is popular.



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