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Scoobes said:
bdbdbd said:
Scoobes said:
Errr... you guys read the quote? Or am I reading it wrong?

What I got from that was that he's working on a game that deals with a controversial topic and if that fails (as in if people don't "get it" and are offended) then he may be forced out of the industry.

Yes, we are reading it the same way you do. What i would suggest to Kojima, would be that he'd try to "get" what people wanted and make a game based on that. I don't think we need more games that the gamers need to "get" in order to enjoy the game. Besides, haven't Kojima been making his "possibly last games" for ages already.

That was what was confusing me, he's not saying that here (unlike the previous times). He's saying he might be forced out.

Rapelay 2 maybe? :P

Yeah, but the point still stands. If i'm not mistaken, nobody is forcing Kojima to make the game.

 

Rapelay 2 sound good. I'd love to see Otacon getting "it". Umm... Did i just say that out loud.., NVM.



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bdbdbd said:
Scoobes said:
bdbdbd said:
Scoobes said:
Errr... you guys read the quote? Or am I reading it wrong?

What I got from that was that he's working on a game that deals with a controversial topic and if that fails (as in if people don't "get it" and are offended) then he may be forced out of the industry.

Yes, we are reading it the same way you do. What i would suggest to Kojima, would be that he'd try to "get" what people wanted and make a game based on that. I don't think we need more games that the gamers need to "get" in order to enjoy the game. Besides, haven't Kojima been making his "possibly last games" for ages already.

That was what was confusing me, he's not saying that here (unlike the previous times). He's saying he might be forced out.

Rapelay 2 maybe? :P

Yeah, but the point still stands. If i'm not mistaken, nobody is forcing Kojima to make the game.

 

Rapelay 2 sound good. I'd love to see Otacon getting "it". Umm... Did i just say that out loud.., NVM.

Hopefully his artistic sentiments are...Maybe you have forgotten this but there are true artists out there, Kojima was once one...When you have a calling you just follow it. It's not a choice, it's how the artistic soul works.



this guy talks too much about leaving that i do not care anymore... were the hell is the Wii game you and somebody ells were working on?

whatever



    R.I.P Mr Iwata :'(

@Contestgamer: There are way too many "true artists" in there.
Look, we are talking about entertainment that is supposed to entertain by definition. These "true artists" aren't interested in gamers. When you are making art, you are doing it because it's fun to you. When you are making entertainment, you're making it because it's fun to the customers.

This is the thing; when these "true artists" talk about how they want to create, how they want to express themselves/shock/etc., it's really a moment when you know that the "artist" isn't making a game for you and you start to think it's really the time for the guy to go. It would be a whole different thing if Kojima would be talking about how he's planning to make a game for the fans of something. If that would be case, you'd know that the guy has respect to you, the gamer, who in the end pays his salary.



Ei Kiinasti.

Eikä Japanisti.

Vaan pannaan jalalla koreasti.

 

Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

Kojima saying the next game will be his last is like Jordan saying his next retirement will be his last. He even joked about coming out of retirement (self parody) at his induction into the Hall of Fame



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nordlead said:
I discovered Snake612's true identity - Kojima

 

ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!



bdbdbd said:
@Contestgamer: There are way too many "true artists" in there.
Look, we are talking about entertainment that is supposed to entertain by definition. These "true artists" aren't interested in gamers. When you are making art, you are doing it because it's fun to you. When you are making entertainment, you're making it because it's fun to the customers.

This is the thing; when these "true artists" talk about how they want to create, how they want to express themselves/shock/etc., it's really a moment when you know that the "artist" isn't making a game for you and you start to think it's really the time for the guy to go. It would be a whole different thing if Kojima would be talking about how he's planning to make a game for the fans of something. If that would be case, you'd know that the guy has respect to you, the gamer, who in the end pays his salary.

 

I 100% disagree with you.

The way I look at it, Kojima's work has absolitely nosedived every since he has started caring about gamers opinions. His peak was with MGS2. He said during many interviews then that he ignored what some of his colleagues warned him about and what gamers might say because he had a vision that he wanted carried out and wanted to experiment with. After the enormous backlash by ignorant gamers he was forced to alter and water down MGS3 to satisfy gamers. Same thing in MGS4; all the fan service? Because he cared about gamers.

I don't know about you, if you think that creators should just be slaves of their customers or not but I think that is a crappy system that prevents profound and risky experiences from being undertaken. Of course they need to at least break even  due to them working in for-profit company settings, but do you think the individual artist gives a damn about whether his game makes 10 million or 100 million dollars? No, the only reason he cares is because his has to for his employments sake. If you look at the indie community there are a ton of games that many would find absolutely frustrating, boring, etc but the creators are completely happy with because it represented the vision they wanted to create.

I don't want the artist to make a game for "me" I want him to make it for himself. Most great art that has profoundly touched people wasn't made with the mass market in mind The reason they ended up touching so many in history is percicely because they were genuine, heartfelt and one persons uncompromised. When you create craft, like games as just another packaged-product through a series of compromises it loses it's soul and becomes nothing more than a "good game". That may be enough to some, but not to me.

 



@Contestgamer: Why should the games be watered down? If MGS3 and 4 were watered down, that just proves my point further; someone doesn't give a shit about the people who would be interested in buying the games.

The only reason why any art has become successful is that it managed to please the public.

In any case, the point is, why should anyone care if Kojima wants to be an artist or not, if he's not interested about them. Then again, the people interested in playing Kojima games in the future, better hope he's interested in gamers and his games turn out to comnercial successes. Otherwise the games stop coming. No publisher is interested in games that just "break even". Maybe he's going to make a free flash game or two, if he manages to flop hard.



Ei Kiinasti.

Eikä Japanisti.

Vaan pannaan jalalla koreasti.

 

Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

What does he mean by might "HAVE" to leave the gaming industry?

Is he making a hentai game or something like that?



bdbdbd said:
@Contestgamer: Why should the games be watered down? If MGS3 and 4 were watered down, that just proves my point further; someone doesn't give a shit about the people who would be interested in buying the games.

The only reason why any art has become successful is that it managed to please the public.

In any case, the point is, why should anyone care if Kojima wants to be an artist or not, if he's not interested about them. Then again, the people interested in playing Kojima games in the future, better hope he's interested in gamers and his games turn out to comnercial successes. Otherwise the games stop coming. No publisher is interested in games that just "break even". Maybe he's going to make a free flash game or two, if he manages to flop hard.

My point was that artists don't give a shit about what the pulic thinks...They ceate art for thesemlves, to express something through their work and then share it with others. Whether you like it or not doesn't effect the integrity of the work itself. The difference between shallow, packaged goods is that they're created soley to "sell". That's fine for a things of utility, like an iphone, whatever...but if you'd like to believe that games have some sort of artistic merit (or potential for it) such as paintings, books or even films do, then just creating empty products to do nothing more than entertain customers and make money won't cut it... There should be a greater balance of junk food and brain food among games like there is in othe ceative industries.