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Khuutra on 17 April 2010
Carl2291 said:
Khuutra said:
So would you guys say that the big differences between them are that one's big on JRPGs and the other is big on shooters?

Firstly, the only reason the one of them is "big on JRPG's" is because one has a greater presence in Japan. Even then, things really aren't as "big" as you make them out to be.

Secondly, the only reason one of them is "big on shooters" is because one has a greater presence in the US. Even then, things really aren't as "big" as you make them out to be.

Having a bigger userbase in a region can't be used for the userbase having different buying habits.

In the case of JRPG's - I point you towards Star Ocean 4, where the 360 version has blown away the PS3 version.

In the case of shooters - I point you to "Others" (Where PS3 and 360 are currently within 20k units of eachother) sales of Modern Warfare 2 between the PS3 and the 360.

So we can't use different region figures

but we can use different region figures

Now I'm confused



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Zlejedi on 17 April 2010

This is very simple really:

HD consoles are like the two sides of single coin - they have their diffrences but share three fundamental features:
- 720p graphics
- classic gamepad controls
- strong integration of online

Wii represents completly diffrent aproach:
- 480p graphics
- motion control
- local multiplayer

So with two being so similar and one completly diffrent it's natural first two are lumped together.



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Mr Puggsly on 17 April 2010
Arius Dion said:

LoL. Thank you for calling me savvy. But here's the thing, identifying myself as a self proclaimed casual gamer was more tongue in cheek due to the whole idea of Wii gamers being casual gamers by default (I hate all those terms, casual hardcore etc). I don't act like I am above it, I am above it. I may be apart of it, simply because like the lot of us here, I enjoy Video Games.

I should also note, that my games collection includes games I owned at one point of my life, but don't any longer..for circumstances beyond my control. And as for bias towards Nintendo. Yeah, I am partial to their games. But understand that is just my preference. Every one will have their own preferences.

The sad thing is some try to place more importance on their own preference of games and somehow try and make it out to be superior to others. THAT is what I have a problem with, that is where I fight my battles. But I do so in a way that isn't meant to troll or whatever. However, I have no control over how you or any one else on this site take what I post. And truthfully, I don't really care.

I do hope, though, that maybe my posts will reflect the ideas and thoughts onlookers who haven't joined this site yet can identify with. Much like many posters here resonated with me before I joined. That is all.

This post comes off unbias. But your last one oozed Nintendo fan. And I have a feeling you'll generally spin an arguement to defend Nintendo.

You're free to have a preference, as do I. But I don't care about any company enough defend every aspect of it and will admit the weaknesses.



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Carl on 17 April 2010
Khuutra said:
Carl2291 said:
Khuutra said:
So would you guys say that the big differences between them are that one's big on JRPGs and the other is big on shooters?

Firstly, the only reason the one of them is "big on JRPG's" is because one has a greater presence in Japan. Even then, things really aren't as "big" as you make them out to be.

Secondly, the only reason one of them is "big on shooters" is because one has a greater presence in the US. Even then, things really aren't as "big" as you make them out to be.

Having a bigger userbase in a region can't be used for the userbase having different buying habits.

In the case of JRPG's - I point you towards Star Ocean 4, where the 360 version has blown away the PS3 version.

In the case of shooters - I point you to "Others" (Where PS3 and 360 are currently within 20k units of eachother) sales of Modern Warfare 2 between the PS3 and the 360.

So we can't use different region figures

but we can use different region figures

Now I'm confused

I just showed you sales of the biggest game on both consoles in a region where both of those consoles are pretty much identical.

The sales of the game were also pretty much even, proving that the userbase of one of them isn't "big on shooters" while the other isn't, the buying habits are pretty much the same on both userbases.

The only reason the 360 sells more "shooter" games than the PS3 is because of the larger userbase in America. That doesn't mean though that the buying habits of the 2 userbases are different like you are saying. Just because one console has more users than another, doesn't mean the buying habits are different when it comes to the games.



                            

Mr Puggsly on 17 April 2010
Zlejedi said:
This is very simple really:

HD consoles are like the two sides of single coin - they have their diffrences but share three fundamental features:
- 720p graphics
- classic gamepad controls
- strong integration of online

Wii represents completly diffrent aproach:
- 480p graphics
- motion control
- local multiplayer

So with two being so similar and one completly diffrent it's natural first two are lumped together.

On top of that, the HD consoles also share a majority of their library. With that said, HD consumers are often buying the same games and supporting the same projects.



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Khuutra on 17 April 2010
Carl2291 said:
Khuutra said:

So we can't use different region figures

but we can use different region figures

Now I'm confused

I just showed you sales of the biggest game on both consoles in a region where both of those consoles are pretty much identical.

The sales of the game were also pretty much even, proving that the userbase of one of them isn't "big on shooters" while the other isn't, the buying habits are pretty much the same on both userbases.

The only reason the 360 sells more "shooter" games than the PS3 is because of the larger userbase in America. That doesn't mean though that the buying habits of the 2 userbases are different like you are saying. Just because one console has more users than another, doesn't mean the buying habits are different when it comes to the games.

The problem here is that you're equating single games - big ones - in a paricular region to support your point whereas you do not treat the same userbase differences across regions with the same weight.

Even worse, you're taking a singlee game as being indicative of buying trends across the consoles. Even with the top 15 of each console, you're not painting it properly. Here; take this:

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/index.php?&results=50&name=&console=X360&keyword=&publisher=&genre=FPS&order=Sales&boxart=Both&showdeleted=&region=All&alphasort=

And compare it to this:

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/index.php?name=&keyword=&console=PS3&region=All&developer=&publisher=&genre=FPS&boxart=Both&results=50&order=Sales

See the difference? See how many more FPSes the 360 sells?

Let's expand that to includde "Shooters" in general:

360:

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/index.php?name=&keyword=&console=X360&region=All&developer=&publisher=&genre=Shooter&boxart=Both&results=50&order=Sales

PS3:

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/index.php?name=&keyword=&console=PS3&region=All&developer=&publisher=&genre=Shooter&boxart=Both&results=50&order=Sales

Now Carl, here's the thing: different userbases in different regions means the userbases have different buying habits. Demographic differences are differences in demographics whether they're due to regions or whatever, but the point remains that the consoles differentiate themselves to gamers and tha results in different buying habits!



Bamboleo on 17 April 2010
Arius Dion said:
Its a marriage of convenience lol. I mean the Wii has more than double the install base of PS3 and over 30m more units than the 360. The only way for some of these folks to have any solice whatsoever is to combine the sales of both platforms (even if they favor one over the other or completely hate the other HD console) To make themselves feel better about the domination of an underpowered 'casual' system over the multimedia hd systems.

This stuff doesn't bother me at all..at least not anymore. You get used to the hypocrisies and double talk. Its to the point where its entertainment and nothing more. Like the whole PS3 shortages..Its real because Sony is trying to appease all of this unbelievable demand! Yet the Wii, during their shortages was being manufactured by Nintendo to create more demand (as if that makes any business sense) and the Wii was selling twice that the PS3 is. Motion Controls a gimmick until the competition reveals theirs. Now its the bees knees.

And in this case, the whole NMH game..Its sold like crap on evey single system in Japan. But the sales are a flop on Wii but magically its "not bad considering" Fans of the HD consoles want to highlight a game on Wii not selling, blame it on the consumer and the system, but when a game flops on the HD consoles, its either because 'the competition is tougher' or the game sucked plain and simple.

Then if a game sells on Wii that is Mature it no longer counts because its part of a well known franchise lol. Yet most games that sell in general are part of a well known franchise. I love the theatre. Just enjoy the show my friend. There are much more important things to worry about than videogames..At least imo..But then again I'm just a casual gamer.

Nice read



Skeeuk on 17 April 2010

i dont think its right to combine ps360 together, the question is if you are going to buy a hd console ps3 or 360, no matter which one you choose the games are better than on the wii.



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killeryoshis on 17 April 2010

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Carl on 17 April 2010
Khuutra said:

The problem here is that you're equating single games - big ones - in a paricular region to support your point whereas you do not treat the same userbase differences across regions with the same weight.

Even worse, you're taking a singlee game as being indicative of buying trends across the consoles. Even with the top 15 of each console, you're not painting it properly. Here; take this:

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/index.php?&results=50&name=&console=X360&keyword=&publisher=&genre=FPS&order=Sales&boxart=Both&showdeleted=®ion=All&alphasort=

And compare it to this:

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/index.php?name=&keyword=&console=PS3®ion=All&developer=&publisher=&genre=FPS&boxart=Both&results=50&order=Sales

See the difference? See how many more FPSes the 360 sells?

Let's expand that to includde "Shooters" in general:

360:

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/index.php?name=&keyword=&console=X360®ion=All&developer=&publisher=&genre=Shooter&boxart=Both&results=50&order=Sales

PS3:

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/index.php?name=&keyword=&console=PS3®ion=All&developer=&publisher=&genre=Shooter&boxart=Both&results=50&order=Sales

Now Carl, here's the thing: different userbases in different regions means the userbases have different buying habits. Demographic differences are differences in demographics whether they're due to regions or whatever, but the point remains that the consoles differentiate themselves to gamers and tha results in different buying habits!

Right, i will concede on the shooters thing. It will get nowhere and we will keep on bringing up the same points over and over and i can't be bothered doing it today ¬_¬

From what i have seen, the 2 consoles owners have the same buying habits when it comes to the multiplats. We don't see a drastic difference in the sales of a multiplat game on one platform when compared to another, without any special reason.

But back onto the main point of the thread. I never put what i thought about the whole thing.

I think the PS3 and 360 are similar enough in features, power, types of games, "buying habits"... Pretty much everything.

The Wii on the other hand, is so different to both of them on so many levels... And it's why it gets singled out and put against the other 2 consoles.