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scottie said:
greenmedic88 said:
scottie said:
greenmedic88 said:
Gilgamesh said:

Nobody knows when it's going to release it's lucky to have the amount of pre orders it has now in America

Everyone is underestimating GT5 waaaaay to much

I'm thinking there's a very good chance that GT5 may be the last significant hardware selling killer app this generation as it's the only key franchise that has traditionally moved massive numbers and has yet to appear on current generation hardware.

Most other major IPs are already on their second release of the generation.

Plus the GT franchise is one of those IPs that tends to sell to a significant number of non-gamers who happen to be huge automotive enthusiasts.

3rd last major IP that will see a release on hardware that has not seen a game in the franchise already

 

There has still been no Zelda Wii (ignoring spinoffs and ports)

Dragon Quest X would like a word with you

 

Actualy, GT5 could end up being the 2nd last if Zelda releases first)

Most everyone counts Twilight Princess as the first Zelda game on the Wii.

To say otherwise is almost like saying that Halo 3 and Halo ODST didn't count as the first two Halo games on the Xbox 360 on account of both games being essentially a Halo 2 engine game with modifications and that Halo Reach is really the first Halo game to appear on the 360.

Zelda will be a hot seller, but it's not going to be moving anywhere near the same amount of hardware as GT5.

As for Dragon Quest; it should move a lot of hardware in Japan, but again, nowhere near the same impact as GT5, which appeals more to a general audience rather than a niche JRPG audience.

 

Most everyone is wrong.

 

By your logic, the Playstation3 is capable of playing 2 or 4 (the 60 gb version) main series GT games, Most everyone knows this. Thus GT5 will not be a system seller.

 

The Halo analogy misses the point completely. Halo 3 could be played only one 1 platform, therefore people had to buy the platform in order to play the game. Therefore Halo 3 was a system seller. ODST wasn't a hardware seller because anyone willing to buy a console to play Halo already had done so. People could play Twilight Princess on the GC, so TP wasn't a hardware seller. Thus there are quite possibly Zelda fans who don't own a Wii. Do you understand or should I try to explain again? My wordiness is a bit hit and miss today, sorry.

 

I never claimed that Zelda will as much hardware as GT5 - it's a smaller series for starters. However It will be the third biggest hardware pusher left this gen (from an established franchise only, something for vitality/move/natal could push some hardware, and assuming that GTA and Cod stay multiplat)

 

So you make the claim that racing is a bigger genre than JRPG's in Japan? Thanks, I''ve been in a miserable mood due to homework all day, and reading that was the first thing to make me laugh out loud all day :)

Not sure why I even have to explain this, but GT3 and GT4 are PS2 games. GT2 or GT are PS1 games.

Nobody bought a PS3 with PS2 BC so they could play GT4 or any of the others; they didn't have to.

GT5 will be a system seller. Take a bet if you believe otherwise.

You completely missed the Halo 3 point. I'll make the point simple so anyone can understand. Nobody "held back" from buying an Xbox 360 when Halo 3 was released despite it being a pretty modest step up from Halo 2. There is no huge hold out of Halo fans who didn't bother picking up a 360 as they are still waiting for the "real" first Halo game (presumably Reach with its all new game engine) to show up on the 360.

And for the record; the number of people who were waiting for an "exclusive" Wii Zelda to buy a Wii (implying that there is some huge hold out of Nintendo fans still playing their Game Cube, waiting for that perfect moment to upgrade to a Wii) is in all likelihood pretty negligible. You can argue for the sake of arguing, but most will probably agree with this.

As for Dragon Quest; it will not move anywhere near the same amount of consoles as GT5. You can bet on that one too.

JRPGs didn't move a hell of a lot of Xbox 360s in Japan; and it had quite a few platform exclusives. That's a pretty fair indicator of how much of a system seller the JRPG genre in general is currently in Japan.

So both of your examples are pretty poor comparisons, particularly when you look at the overall picture, being global sales, where the GT franchise has even more clout.



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greenmedic88 said:
scottie said:
greenmedic88 said:
scottie said:
greenmedic88 said:
Gilgamesh said:

 

 

 

 

 

Not sure why I even have to explain this, but GT3 and GT4 are PS2 games. GT2 or GT are PS1 games.

Nobody bought a PS3 with PS2 BC so they could play GT4 or any of the others; they didn't have to.

GT5 will be a system seller. Take a bet if you believe otherwise.

You completely missed the Halo 3 point. I'll make the point simple so anyone can understand. Nobody "held back" from buying an Xbox 360 when Halo 3 was released despite it being a pretty modest step up from Halo 2. There is no huge hold out of Halo fans who didn't bother picking up a 360 as they are still waiting for the "real" first Halo game (presumably Reach with its all new game engine) to show up on the 360.

And for the record; the number of people who were waiting for an "exclusive" Wii Zelda to buy a Wii (implying that there is some huge hold out of Nintendo fans still playing their Game Cube, waiting for that perfect moment to upgrade to a Wii) is in all likelihood pretty negligible. You can argue for the sake of arguing, but most will probably agree with this.

As for Dragon Quest; it will not move anywhere near the same amount of consoles as GT5. You can bet on that one too.

JRPGs didn't move a hell of a lot of Xbox 360s in Japan; and it had quite a few platform exclusives. That's a pretty fair indicator of how much of a system seller the JRPG genre in general is currently in Japan.

So both of your examples are pretty poor comparisons, particularly when you look at the overall picture, being global sales, where the GT franchise has even more clout.

 

And I'm not sure why I have to explain that Twilight Princess is a gamecube game that was ported to the Wii

 

I am not claiming that GT5 will not be a system seller, I have stated multiple times that it will be. The logc you use to say that Zelda won't be a system seller (that it is possible to play last generation Zelda games on the Wii) can, exactly as validly (ie not validly at all), explain that GT5 won't be a system seller (because it's possible to play previous generation GT games on the PS3. Because GT5 WILL be a system seller, your logic must be flawed, therefore you cannot use it to say that Zelda will not be a system seller. Look up proof by contradiction, that will make this much more obvious.

 

As for the Halo point, apparently it wasn't clear enough

Halo 3 can only be played on the 360. Twilight Princess can be played on the Wii or gamecube. Therefore if you want to play Halo, and own an original xbox, you have to buy hardware. If you own a gamecube and want to buy TP, you dont. You might not consider Halo 3 to be worth purchasing a console for (and I certainly don't) but hundreds of thousands of people DID)

 

So you've moved on from saying that GT5 is bigger than Dragon Quest in Japan and now you're saying that Eternal Sonata is bigger than Dragon Quest? haha, second time today I've laughed out loud



I won't even venture to guess how many Nintendo fans (generally synonymous with Zelda fans) simply "skipped" over the Wii because they could simply play the game on their GC.

The GC version sold what? 1.56m units? So in an implausible scenario, the unreasonable person could say that's 1.56m GC owners that are waiting for a Wii exclusive Zelda to buy a Wii? Not many people riding in that boat who will make that sort of claim.

And why even bring up middling release like Eternal Sonata? Didn't the biggest JRPG of all just get released with FFXIII?

So Dragon Quest will be moving more or the same amount of hardware in your expert opinion?



Holy fucking shit, I loled so much, thanks OP.



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I brought up Eternal Sonata because you brought up xbox 360 JRPG's. Being as FFXIII didn't release in Japan on the 360, I figured you must have been talking about Eternal Sonata or some similar sized release

Yes, I am VERY willing to admit that the maximum hardware boost from Zelda Wii is 1.56 m units and that the likely boost is much lower. What was your point?

I haven't even claimed that Zelda Wii will sell hardware, by the way. All I said was that the 3 biggest series that are going to release on a 7th gen system that havent already seen a release on that system. Many people claim that Twilight Princess is not a port, they are incorrect, and thus that cannot be used as a reason why Zelda will not be a hardware seller (although arguments such as it being late in the generation and mario fans = zelda fans could be used - if you want to debate that, start a new thread about it). I'm gonna leave this thread now cos we are way off topic, so if you want to respond, then send me a PM or something



The whole point was neither a "Wii exclusive" Zelda nor a Dragon Quest game will move anywhere near the same amount of hardware as GT5 will for a number of reasons.

Neither is a great example of franchises yet to be seen on the Wii that will sell a ton of hardware.

That was the only point that meant anything.



valen200 said:
Snesboy said:
Is this a joke? I didn't think Gran Turismo 5 was already out.

C'mon. I just saw you in Rol's thread saying how funny he was. They are both saying how much we need to eat the Irish babies as per Swift.

I don't understand humor if the OP has less posts than I do. lolol

 

And I love your avatar!



scottie said:
I loled a little, then I read all the responses and loled a lot

This.  Shows you how many people really didn't even read the OP.



Bad troll is bad.