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I consider myself somewhat of an Apple fan (not a fanboy) and yeah, that video wasn't neutral at all. He was all too willing to conclude the iPad was better based on his silly reasoning and insufficient testing.

I think a 12 inch one for $399 with multitasking would be great though.



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TheRealMafoo said:
Orca_Azure said:
 The next version of the ipad, however, would probably tip my favor the other way.

Why is that?

What do you think the next one will have, that will change your mind?

I just got back from seeing one in person and I can see a few areas for improvement.

The first issue I have with the ipad is the screen. I was looking at my own reflection for a good amount of time. Outside in the sunlight, it was nearly impossible to see the screen (kindle does a little better outside).

The screen got smudged fairly quick. Even with completly clean hands there was a bit of difficulty keeping the screen print free. You can't just wipe it like a phone because the screen is big.

The ipad has no rubber feet. It slid a bit when i was messing around on it.

You'll need a carrying case for it because it's too big to carry in your pocket but it doesn't close on itself like a laptop/netbook making it very confusing to travel about with.

the RAM could be an issue but it didn't really impede my experience.

The battery life is awesome so i have no problem with that.

The fact that it can only run one application at a time was a bit of a let down. I would like a bit more.

The upscaling of old iphone apps was sort of bad, but again that isn't a huge issue. The price for ipad apps being higher does sorta bother me though.

And last- the ipad is more for using instead of creating. You can't really expect to do much writing on it like a netbook. It's good if you want to browse/watch vids/tweet/read email/read books/etc.

All of these issues could probably be addressed in the ipad2.0

 



vlad321 said:
highwaystar101 said:

Never have I laughed so much at a video due to bias.

When he was comparing the note taking facilities I was in stiches. He claimed that netbooks had notoriously bad keyboards, yet didn't care to go into any more detail (I have never had a problem with a netbook keyboard, yes it's a little small, but they are reliable and not much smaller than the iPads virtual keyboard).

He then tried note taking on his iPad, when the screen decided to randomly flip orientation a couple of time. He then placed it on the desk and said you can type on it and it works just like a regular PC. Does he use his PC flat on the surface of his desk? It looked extremely unnatural, no-one will want to type like that. There is a reason PC and laptop monitors are stood upright.

And then he just nonchalantly claimed that the iPad was better at note taking, even though it was clearly much worse.

*sigh* Apple fanboys...

I'm glad I'm not the only one who found that part absolutely hilarious.

I love way he said "we're going to try text edit, or on as they call it on netbooks *sniggers* Notepad". He said it with such unnecessary condescension, as though he had been brain washed by Apple.

The sad things is I know a couple of Apple fans who would have done just the same thing.



That video did not convince me why to buy an iPad, especially as the iPad was nearly 50% more expensive than the netbook

I just don't see any point in it at all, it is just surpassed in every aspect by something else. I don't buy into the need for a netbook really, in fact, a 15" laptop and smart phone seems fine for me



I don't know why you showed us this Mafoo, if anything this has convinced me that the people who bought an iPad are idiots and assholes.

Problems I see with just the video:
-Doesn't mention how awkward having a horizontal screen is for typing, kills your neck in case you didn't know.
-Didn't try to go to a representation of 99% of modern sites, the ones that use flash.
-Really didn't show off anything that I can't do on my android phone actually.


In fact he really didn't show me anything. Let's see him IM and go to a website that was linked. Or search while IMing and find a site for a friend. How about these things he mentioned, Word, OpenOffice? Oh yeah, I also bet transferring from the netbook to any other device is a breeze, and iPad just blows. I guess he missed mentioning that. Did he mention cameras? Or even better, the fact that the iPad is having wifi problems all over the place with bad connectivity even right next to the router?

For something that costs over $100 more, I can list negatives until tomorrow morning.



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highwaystar101 said:
vlad321 said:
highwaystar101 said:

Never have I laughed so much at a video due to bias.

When he was comparing the note taking facilities I was in stiches. He claimed that netbooks had notoriously bad keyboards, yet didn't care to go into any more detail (I have never had a problem with a netbook keyboard, yes it's a little small, but they are reliable and not much smaller than the iPads virtual keyboard).

He then tried note taking on his iPad, when the screen decided to randomly flip orientation a couple of time. He then placed it on the desk and said you can type on it and it works just like a regular PC. Does he use his PC flat on the surface of his desk? It looked extremely unnatural, no-one will want to type like that. There is a reason PC and laptop monitors are stood upright.

And then he just nonchalantly claimed that the iPad was better at note taking, even though it was clearly much worse.

*sigh* Apple fanboys...

I'm glad I'm not the only one who found that part absolutely hilarious.

I love way he said "we're going to try text edit, or on as they call it on netbooks *sniggers* Notepad". He said it with such unnecessary condescension, as though he had been brain washed by Apple.

The sad things is I know a couple of Apple fans who would have done just the same thing.

My only consolation is that within a year of him using the ipad to type notes while having it horizontal, his neck vertebrae will be completely ruined. I mean hell, my neck hurts when I am typing on vertical monitors, a flat one would absolutely murder me.



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famousringo said:
For me, the iPad is less about fighting netbooks and more about lowering barriers to computing. The iPhone OS model is extremely reliable both in terms of being resistant to malware and user incompetence. The touchscreen interface is even more comfortable, intuitive and elegant than the venerable mouse.

Believe it or not, there are a lot of people who still don't use computers, or hate them as they use them. They get confused by something as fundamental as a file system, which the iPhone OS hides away from sight. They just want the computer to get the hell out of the way so that they can do what they want to do with it, and this is something that the iPhone OS strives to achieve.

It's far from certain, but the iPad might actually do for computing what the DS and the Wii did for gaming.

Windows already did it.



@vlad321

What I wanted people to get out of the video, could have been done with the sound turned off. The guy is very biased, but so is 90% of the people (one way or the other). Watching the sites load, and how you browse the web was the real reason. Also how the netbook can get slow. Sure, he has a virus protection program on it, but he does because you kind of need one. No one needs one for the iPad.

As for typing, The one I have used is in a case. This lets you lean it upright like a keyboard if you want to type on it. As for the OS and what can be done, we will find out what the new OS will do in just a few days. 4.0 will be unveiled on the 8th.

And for the same reasons some people like Apple products for no reason, I get the feeling you hate them for no reason. In parts of the population, brand loyalty (or hate) seems to creep into peoples ability to make objective opinions.

When you say things like "iPad just blows", you are showing this. There are many reasonable reasons why you have no use for an iPad. That being said, calling it a shitty device has far more to do with emotion, and nothing to do with the collection of metal, glass, plastic, and electronics that make up the iPad.



invetedlotus123 said:
famousringo said:
For me, the iPad is less about fighting netbooks and more about lowering barriers to computing. The iPhone OS model is extremely reliable both in terms of being resistant to malware and user incompetence. The touchscreen interface is even more comfortable, intuitive and elegant than the venerable mouse.

Believe it or not, there are a lot of people who still don't use computers, or hate them as they use them. They get confused by something as fundamental as a file system, which the iPhone OS hides away from sight. They just want the computer to get the hell out of the way so that they can do what they want to do with it, and this is something that the iPhone OS strives to achieve.

It's far from certain, but the iPad might actually do for computing what the DS and the Wii did for gaming.

Windows already did it.

Yes it did. Just as there were other key consoles that expanded the gaming market before the Wii came along and blew things up even bigger.

Who knows, maybe MS will cook up a way to co-opt the iPad just as they slashed Windows licensing fees to co-opt netbooks before Linux could establish itself in that market. But if anybody's going to steal Apple's thunder on this one, I think it's going to be Google. Android is much more competitive with iPhone OS than any of Microsoft's platforms for the next year or so.



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famousringo said:
invetedlotus123 said:
famousringo said:
For me, the iPad is less about fighting netbooks and more about lowering barriers to computing. The iPhone OS model is extremely reliable both in terms of being resistant to malware and user incompetence. The touchscreen interface is even more comfortable, intuitive and elegant than the venerable mouse.

Believe it or not, there are a lot of people who still don't use computers, or hate them as they use them. They get confused by something as fundamental as a file system, which the iPhone OS hides away from sight. They just want the computer to get the hell out of the way so that they can do what they want to do with it, and this is something that the iPhone OS strives to achieve.

It's far from certain, but the iPad might actually do for computing what the DS and the Wii did for gaming.

Windows already did it.

Yes it did. Just as there were other key consoles that expanded the gaming market before the Wii came along and blew things up even bigger.

Who knows, maybe MS will cook up a way to co-opt the iPad just as they slashed Windows licensing fees to co-opt netbooks before Linux could establish itself in that market. But if anybody's going to steal Apple's thunder on this one, I think it's going to be Google. Android is much more competitive with iPhone OS than any of Microsoft's platforms for the next year or so.

I agree. What I would love to see, is someone make Android for the iPad, and let me dual boot it. That, would be awesome.