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jarrod on 18 April 2010
johnappseed84 said:
jarrod said:
johnappseed84 said:
jarrod said:
johnappseed84 said:
Another reason that it would most likely be on PS3 is because inal Fantasy XIII sold roughly twice as well as MH3 in Japan.

Apples and oranges.  DQX is going to sell roughly double what FFXIII did in Japan as well.


     DQX has always been a more family friendly type series than Final Fantasy, so it should be expected that it will sell more on Wii.  However, no Persona game has ever had the type of sales that MH3, DQ, or FF have had.  Also, Persona is more of a mature audience type of game than DQ. Mature audience games like FF, MGS 4, the Yakuza series, Valkyria Chronicles, have shown that they can sell in the same type of numbers on PS3 that Persona has sold in the past on Playstation consoles.

Almost all of the mature audience games on Wii have sold less than the ones on PS3. 

Well, it's interesting you say that given MH3 outsold every game you just mentioned besides FFXIII.  Other games on Wii that sold in the range of the titles you mentioned include Monster Hunter G, Resident Evil UC, Samurai Warriors 3, Twilight Princess, Fire Emblem, Tales of Symphonia/Graces... again, I'm not exactly seeing an issue for audience here?

I'd also argue that Dragon Quest, being a series two decades old and deeply rooted in nostalgia and timeless themes, likely has an older average audience than Persona actually. It's inclusive, while Persona's more niche, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have a sizable mature audience.  And really, Persona's even been reinventing itself to appeal to more shonen audience starting with P3, unlike the more obtuse and dark dungeon crawling Megatens of yesteryear... and coincidentally, it's on DS, arguably the most youth focused platform this gen, that we've seen SMT draw backwards towards the older, more hardcore style too.

Oh, I was only trying to mention games on PS3 that sold comparable to how past Persona games have sold to show that the PS3 by itself is quite capable of selling games in the numbers that most Persona games have sold. If they're thinking of trying to expand the market by a lot, then PS3 (or PS3 and 360) would probably also be the best choice as the best-selling T and M titles on PS3 like Uncharted, Heavy Rain, Killzone, FFXIII, MGS 4, GTA4, God of War 3 have all sold many times what the best selling T and M titles on Wii have sold. I really don't think that after the critical and maybe commercial success that most of the more recent Persona games have had that most Persona fans want the next home console version to go back to being the same type of game as the DS ones, but are looking for the next ones to be like the PS2 versions but with prettier graphics, etc.

None of those games have outsold Twilight Princess actually. But again, we're moving farther and farther from any real relevance to a niche RPG like Persona.  No Persona game will ever come close to those sorts of sales regardless of platform, so I'm not sure why you keep bringing them up?

Also, I think you misunderstood me, I'm not saying future Personas should ape Strange Journey and be something of a more hardcore throwback.  I'm saying Atlus has purposely repositioned Persona, and made it more appealing to a teen audience versus older Megatens (including Persona 1-2).



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johnappseed84 on 18 April 2010
jarrod said:
johnappseed84

None of those games have outsold Twilight Princess actually. But again, we're moving farther and farther from any real relevance to a niche RPG like Persona.  No Persona game will ever come close to those sorts of sales regardless of platform, so I'm not sure why you keep bringing them up?

Also, I think you misunderstood me, I'm not saying future Personas should ape Strange Journey and be something of a more hardcore throwback.  I'm saying Atlus has purposely repositioned Persona, and made it more appealing to a teen audience versus older Megatens (including Persona 1-2).


Actually, GTA4 PS3 outsold Twilight Princess. And Twilight Princess had the advantage of being a Nintendo game, yet the fact that Twilight Princess has only sold 5.5 million copies and the Metroid games on Wii so far have failed to sell more than 2 million copies says something about the audience for T and M games on Wii. I brought up the other games because you listed some of the bestselling T and M games on Wii versus the sales of some of the lower selling T and M games on PS3 that have sold like past Persona games. Third party ips like Muramasa on Wii that had a great deal of critical acclaim yet failed to sell like Yakuza 3 etc. on PS3 shows that Persona could actually sell less on the Wii than past PS2 versions of Persona while sales of games like Yakuza 3, White Story, etc on PS3 show that Persona 5 could sell like past Personas on PS2 on PS3. I think they are trying to appeal to the typical anime fans that tend to like games like the Personas on PS2 and have a PS3 for blu-ray and the Final Fantasy games.

jarrod on 19 April 2010
johnappseed84 said:
jarrod said:
johnappseed84

None of those games have outsold Twilight Princess actually. But again, we're moving farther and farther from any real relevance to a niche RPG like Persona.  No Persona game will ever come close to those sorts of sales regardless of platform, so I'm not sure why you keep bringing them up?

Also, I think you misunderstood me, I'm not saying future Personas should ape Strange Journey and be something of a more hardcore throwback.  I'm saying Atlus has purposely repositioned Persona, and made it more appealing to a teen audience versus older Megatens (including Persona 1-2).

Actually, GTA4 PS3 outsold Twilight Princess. And Twilight Princess had the advantage of being a Nintendo game, yet the fact that Twilight Princess has only sold 5.5 million copies and the Metroid games on Wii so far have failed to sell more than 2 million copies says something about the audience for T and M games on Wii. I brought up the other games because you listed some of the bestselling T and M games on Wii versus the sales of some of the lower selling T and M games on PS3 that have sold like past Persona games. Third party ips like Muramasa on Wii that had a great deal of critical acclaim yet failed to sell like Yakuza 3 etc. on PS3 shows that Persona could actually sell less on the Wii than past PS2 versions of Persona while sales of games like Yakuza 3, White Story, etc on PS3 show that Persona 5 could sell like past Personas on PS2 on PS3. I think they are trying to appeal to the typical anime fans that tend to like games like the Personas on PS2 and have a PS3 for blu-ray and the Final Fantasy games.

Only two Metroid games in history have sold over 2 million.  Even Super Metroid didn't, it's a fairly niche series.  And Twilight Princess Wii is the 3rd best selling Zelda in history.  I'm not so sure either of these cases are great examples for Wii's inability to sell M/T games, when they're doing well above average for their respective franchises?  Unlike say, GTA4 PS3. ;) 

Also, I wasn't listing "some of the best selling T and M games on Wii", I was listing "Mature audience games" on Wii in Japan that sold in the territory of Persona titles.  Y'know, to show that sort of sales potential is well within range for Wii's 10m+ base.

And finally, what's with comparing Yakuza 3 to Muramasa?  One's a big budget, hugely advertised AAA series from the 4th largest Japanese games company that sold nearly a million on PS2.  The other's a 2D sidescroller, from a tiny developer and niche publisher, who's spiritual predecessor on PS2 sold around 100k.  You're pretty laughably off the mark if you series think either series is at all comparable to each other, or a good indicator for Persona...



johnappseed84 on 19 April 2010
jarrod said:
johnappseed84 said:
jarrod said:
johnappseed84

None of those games have outsold Twilight Princess actually. But again, we're moving farther and farther from any real relevance to a niche RPG like Persona.  No Persona game will ever come close to those sorts of sales regardless of platform, so I'm not sure why you keep bringing them up?

Also, I think you misunderstood me, I'm not saying future Personas should ape Strange Journey and be something of a more hardcore throwback.  I'm saying Atlus has purposely repositioned Persona, and made it more appealing to a teen audience versus older Megatens (including Persona 1-2).

Actually, GTA4 PS3 outsold Twilight Princess. And Twilight Princess had the advantage of being a Nintendo game, yet the fact that Twilight Princess has only sold 5.5 million copies and the Metroid games on Wii so far have failed to sell more than 2 million copies says something about the audience for T and M games on Wii. I brought up the other games because you listed some of the bestselling T and M games on Wii versus the sales of some of the lower selling T and M games on PS3 that have sold like past Persona games. Third party ips like Muramasa on Wii that had a great deal of critical acclaim yet failed to sell like Yakuza 3 etc. on PS3 shows that Persona could actually sell less on the Wii than past PS2 versions of Persona while sales of games like Yakuza 3, White Story, etc on PS3 show that Persona 5 could sell like past Personas on PS2 on PS3. I think they are trying to appeal to the typical anime fans that tend to like games like the Personas on PS2 and have a PS3 for blu-ray and the Final Fantasy games.

Only two Metroid games in history have sold over 2 million.  Even Super Metroid didn't, it's a fairly niche series.  And Twilight Princess Wii is the 3rd best selling Zelda in history.  I'm not so sure either of these cases are great examples for Wii's inability to sell M/T games, when they're doing well above average for their respective franchises?  Unlike say, GTA4 PS3. ;) 

Also, I wasn't listing "some of the best selling T and M games on Wii", I was listing "Mature audience games" on Wii in Japan that sold in the territory of Persona titles.  Y'know, to show that sort of sales potential is well within range for Wii's 10m+ base.

And finally, what's with comparing Yakuza 3 to Muramasa?  One's a big budget, hugely advertised AAA series from the 4th largest Japanese games company that sold nearly a million on PS2.  The other's a 2D sidescroller, from a tiny developer and niche publisher, who's spiritual predecessor on PS2 sold around 100k.  You're pretty laughably off the mark if you series think either series is at all comparable to each other, or a good indicator for Persona...


The reason GTA4 didn't sell as well as past GTA's was because it was on both 360 and PS3. If it had been only on PS3 it would have sold comparably to past GTA games because if you add up the total for 360 and PS3 it is close to past GTA sales. How many T and M rated games have sold over 250,000 copies on Wii in Japan and how many T and M rated games have sold over 250,000 copies on PS3 in Japan?

ClaudeLv250 on 19 April 2010
johnappseed84 said:

The reason GTA4 didn't sell as well as past GTA's was because it was on both 360 and PS3. If it had been only on PS3 it would have sold comparably to past GTA games because if you add up the total for 360 and PS3 it is close to past GTA sales.

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

How many T and M rated games have sold over 250,000 copies on Wii in Japan and how many T and M rated games have sold over 250,000 copies on PS3 in Japan?

What do T and M rated games have to do with Persona 5's potential platform? Seriously, where do you think this circular argument is leading?



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azndragon4k on 19 April 2010

lol geez i was about to go to bed and now that made me laugh so hard i cant sleep



johnappseed84 on 19 April 2010
ClaudeLv250 said:
johnappseed84 said:

The reason GTA4 didn't sell as well as past GTA's was because it was on both 360 and PS3. If it had been only on PS3 it would have sold comparably to past GTA games because if you add up the total for 360 and PS3 it is close to past GTA sales.

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

How many T and M rated games have sold over 250,000 copies on Wii in Japan and how many T and M rated games have sold over 250,000 copies on PS3 in Japan?

What do T and M rated games have to do with Persona 5's potential platform? Seriously, where do you think this circular argument is leading?


Well considering the fact that the Persona games have a reputation for being the most hardcore jrpgs out there as far as subject matter is concerned with things like demonic possession and cannabalism in them and since they are almost all rated t or m kind of like the Death Note of jrpgs, then I think it does matter how well t or m games sell on a respective system in determining which one the next one will be on.

Lostplanet22 on 19 April 2010

Userbase doesn't mean much. It is more where the devs want to make it on. Shin Megami Tensei is not known for their high budget games so I don't expect Persona 5 to be all HD awesomeness.



 

poroporo on 19 April 2010

I hope it goes to either ps3 or wii, no portable Persona 5 please.



johnappseed84 on 19 April 2010
Soriku said:
johnappseed84 said:

The reason GTA4 didn't sell as well as past GTA's was because it was on both 360 and PS3. If it had been only on PS3 it would have sold comparably to past GTA games because if you add up the total for 360 and PS3 it is close to past GTA sales. How many T and M rated games have sold over 250,000 copies on Wii in Japan and how many T and M rated games have sold over 250,000 copies on PS3 in Japan?


lol, that's ridiculous. The sales gained from the 360 version wouldn't have suddenly went to the PS3 because not every 360 owner owns a PS3. GTA4 wouldn't have sold as much as the older games if it were exclusive; the PS3 didn't have that kind of userbase to make the game sell that much.

As for the T/M thing I'll let jarrod handle that because I don't feel like going through release lists...


If GTA 4 had been an exclusive it would have increased the usebase of whichever console it was on so that it would have had a userbase that would have allowed it to sell comparably to past versions just like it did last gen on the PS2.