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Kasz216 on 29 March 2010
CGI-Quality said:
Kasz216 said:
CGI-Quality said:

What I find ironic, they can't win for losing. First it was: "why should I pay $600 for features I won't need/use"? Now it's: "Oh, they keep taking out features, why should I even buy a PS3 now"?

Had this been a feature that was useful, such as the PS2 BC, I would understand the ranting, though I can pretty much guess and understand the other side of it as well. But with internet security constantly in question, if they're trying to protect their goods, I don't give a damn what was said 1 month, 2 months, 3 months ago, I'm not against that, nor am I against it if it's allowing for better use of other functions within the system, which is a possiblity as well.

I'm sure some people found it useful. To remove this for internet saftey is like disabling your computers ability to download to protect your computer from viruses. Saftey issues of non standard OS are the responsibility of the consumer. If some guy wants to put Linux on his PS3 and run the risk of saftey problems it's non of Sony's buisness. If they're getting rid of it to improve or bring in new features... here is an idea. Don't remove it until those new features are ready to come in. Here is another idea... make it OPTIONAL and run two concurrent forms of firmware. It would be like Sony removing BC from older consoles. It's just the removal of features for no good reason with no ability for the consumer to win out.

Sounds like you should be writing to the PlayStation Blog.


Nah, I don't really care. Though it does bother me that people are somehow defending Sony for taking away consumer options with no benefit to the consumer. "You may do something stupid with it" is never a good reason to remove an option. One of my few pet peeves is when someone defends a corporation over the consumer without a valid reason.

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Gilgamesh on 29 March 2010
perpride said:
Gilgamesh said:
perpride said:
freaking pathetic move from Sony. Can't say how disappointed I am.

Sony's not to blame for this, only 1 man, Geohot. So since you have so much anger about this then throw it at Geohot not Sony, there just protecting there console, there big money maker is the software without that they could be in trouble. It's ALL Geohot's fault.

This is kind of like if I opened a store and someone found out how to steal food from my store and told everyone then everyone started stealing more food from me. So then I figure out a way to make it impossible for them to steal food and then people get pissed off at me...makes no sense right?

I got two theories about this announcement. It could be an April fools joke but maybe Sony wants to see the reaction from everyone first to see if they should implement this, if they get a lot of negative reactions then they can just say it's an April fool joke.

Let's hope it's an April fools joke.

But if it is true, I'm not blaming some hacker for it. If this is really a desperate act to keep pirating off PS3, then Sony needs to guess again, and think of another method, cause either way their console will be hacked sooner or later. I'm sure MS and Nintendo could also take EXTREME measures right now to ensure that their consoles can no longer be hacked. But it's better not to take features out. What Sony is doing is like taking backwards compatibility out of all older consoles just because they are vulnurable...I just hate when a company gives me a feature, I start using it and get accustom to it, then they remove it. Kinda like how Facebook takes a 360 turn every couple of months and everybody gets pissed.

I like the way MS does it. They ban people from Live for having a modded console, makes perfect sense. To me what Sony is doing is like MS saying they are going to remove Live from all consoles made before a certain date.

Maybe this is the only way to keep pirating off the PS3, maybe they had no other choice, know one but Sony knows if it could have been done any other way or not, but since there taking this approach then it seems as though it could be the only way, once again the PS3 is going to be unhackable, and without the OS feature it seems near impossible to hack it now. Even though there getting rid of a feature it's probably one of the smartest moves made to keep hackers away.

And I'm sure if Nintendo or Microsoft knew of a way to stop pirating they do it, you know how many millions of dollars have been lost because of pirating? MW2 was pirated well over 1 million times on the X360 and the same with Super Mario Bros Wii, it was pirated well over 1 million times thats 20 - 30 million dollars on each of those games that the company could of got but lost from pirating. Sony's just keeping this from happening on the PS3 since they really need the money. Why let the console get to the part where it can be modded, if you can get rid of the problem before it happens then you'd be crazy not to.

And lol cmon now Linux isn't that big on the PS3, you can't compare it to "they are going to remove Live from all consoles made before a certain date", no way you can compare online gaming to Linux, Linux on the PS3 is like having wireless or not, now that you can compare it to.

And you must have a computer, I had Linux on the PS3 and having a computer is way more convenient.



Kasz216 on 29 March 2010

Gilgamesh... all I have to say is... take an economics class that deals with piracy. I don't think you understand how piracy works. Your formula to how you get 20-30 million in losses is kinda silly.

It's also meaningless. Removing features to stop piracy is wrong. No matter what system is doing it. If wii removed SD card functunality to stop piracy it would be wrong.



Darc Requiem on 29 March 2010
dsister44 said:
CGI-Quality said:

What I find ironic, they can't win for losing. First it was: "why should I pay $600 for features I won't need/use"? Now it's: "Oh, they keep taking out features, why should I even buy a PS3 now"?

Had this been a feature that was useful, such as the PS2 BC, I would understand the ranting, though I can pretty much guess and understand the other side of it as well. But with internet security constantly in question, if they're trying to protect their goods, I don't give a damn what was said 1 month, 2 months, 3 months ago, I'm not against that, nor am I against it if it's allowing for better use of other functions within the system, which is a possiblity as well.

@ But that's the thing. They aren't taking it out to make it cheaper. They're taking it out of consoles that have already been released. People that have already paid for the feature.

As I said earlier this won't affect most PS3 users but to take out an existing feature of console is a seriously bad precedent. In general I'm not happy when a manufacturer strips features out of a console. However this is the first time that I can recall, that a manufacturer is removing a feature from existing consoles. All other instances I can thing of and updated model lacked the feature of prior model. For example, the later versions of he Game Gear lacked TV tuner support, the later versions of the Gamecube didn't have component cable compatibility, newer models of the PS3 lacked PS2 BC and card readers. In all these instances, when the consumer bought those consoles they lacked the features. They weren't removed after purchase.



JMan on 29 March 2010

It's been a long time since my last post, but this I've got to comment on.

I *almost* decided to get a PS3 Phat because of the linux feature. I figured that it could come in handy since I really like toying with those kinds of things. But I couldn't justify the extra expense, so I bought a slim Saturday  (yeah, they are actually coming back into stores after months of looking for them). I was disappointed to find out that though their media player has the capability to play DVD menus, they don't enable it for anything that isn't a disc. And my first thought was "Oh, if I had linux on it I could have run VLC and gotten the menus." Did a quick search, confirmed VLC runs on linux and then saw a side note "Sony screwing the PS3 users yet again"

I probably won't regret buying the PS3. But I did buy it for more than just games. I bought it to play movies, and not just bluray but those on my NAS, which I can not do in their current DVD-in-ISO form. But I'll tell you this: I'm d@mn happy I didn't spend the extra $$ to get a phat now. I would have been majorly pissed if I had. On a side note -- are there any media players you can buy for the PS3 that can do the stuff their built in one won't?



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dirkd2323 on 29 March 2010

If this is true, Fine with me, The PS3 is a gaming console, bluray player, I have a Labtop, and PC for everything else I do, So I will not miss at all.



Severance on 29 March 2010

Wow you guys make a big fucking deal out of something so stupid and so useless.
go on waste your time.



I live for the burn...and the sting of pleasure...
I live for the sword, the steel, and the gun...

- Wasteland - The Mission.

dsister44 on 29 March 2010
Severance said:
Wow you guys make a big fucking deal out of something so stupid and so useless.
go on waste your time.

Is that a challenge? I can waste so much more time on this



Severance on 29 March 2010
dsister44 said:
Severance said:
Wow you guys make a big fucking deal out of something so stupid and so useless.
go on waste your time.

Is that a challenge? I can waste so much more time on this

on this topic? lol



I live for the burn...and the sting of pleasure...
I live for the sword, the steel, and the gun...

- Wasteland - The Mission.

Gilgamesh on 29 March 2010
Kasz216 said:
Gilgamesh... all I have to say is... take an economics class that deals with piracy. I don't think you understand how piracy works. Your formula to how you get 20-30 million in losses is kinda silly.

It's also meaningless. Removing features to stop piracy is wrong. No matter what system is doing it. If wii removed SD card functunality to stop piracy it would be wrong.

I think you don't understand the important's of Linux on the PS3 compared to SD cards. I would like to know how many people actually regularly use Linux on the PS3 (out of the lets say 30 million phat owners) I doubt it's more then 500K. First thing is it's not the easiest thing to install, and second it's incredibly slow because of the lack of RAM, almost unusable at some points. It's not like it's something really important, the OS is not really one of the main features of the PS3, it's more of an extra, something thrown in the package, that's the way I see it.

Well I guess they didn't really lose it, but they could of gained some more money. Sure they wouldn't have the same numbers of sales as they had pirated copies if the system was unhackable, but I'm sure they still would of had a reasonable amount of people buying the game if they knew they couldn't pirate it.

A PC is still the best. You have to admit that, any normal PC beats Linux on the PS3.