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Forums - Sales Discussion - PS3 could statistically surpass 360, may 2011--Jan. 2012

heywoodjablome on 26 March 2010

What you're referring to as niggers, is in fact, Afrcan Americans/niggers, or as I've recently taken to calling them, Afrcan Americans plus niggers. Niggers is not an race unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning Afrcan Americans system made useful by the Afrcan American community.

Many slave owners run a modified version of the Afrcan Americans every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of Afrcan Americans which is widely used today is often called "niggers", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the Afrcan Americans system, developed by the Afrcan Americans Project.

I'd just like to interject for a moment. There really are niggers, and these people are using them, but it is just a part of the system they use. Niggers are the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the Afrcan American community's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an Afrcan American community, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete Afrcan American community. Niggers are normally used in combination with the Afrcan Americans community: the whole system is basically Afrcan Americans with niggers added, or Afrcan Americans/niggers. All the so-called "niggers" are really distributions of Afrcan Americans/niggers.



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skeezer on 26 March 2010
nightsurge said:
^Its called an average. It includes both holiday and non-holiday considerations. Rather than separate the 2, he includes the total of all of them and just gives one simple average per month. Much easier that way.

The time frame may be right but those "per month" numbers are useless.



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nightsurge on 26 March 2010
skeezer said:
FKNetwork said:
nightsurge said:
Ssliasil said:
barozi, yes..there is...That was a complete fanboy comment...wow.

1.) The Slim wasnt launched in 2008,
2.) 2008 is completely irrelevant cause it doesnt cooincide with the current trend thats been running for 9 months now.
3.) again 2008 doesnt matter...at all anymore.

Actually this right here that you wrote is a fanboy comment.  What he said was true.

If I made this same thread at this time last year, the PS3 would have been down by an average of about 100k a week and the gap would forever increase.  You have to realize that momentum shifts will continue to happen each year.  This year it will favor MS (with slim, price cut, natal, etc).  There will be no year where Sony and MS somehow neutralize each other's moves so that a shift does not occur.

2007 - Sony price cut - Momentum goes to Sony

2008 - MS price cut - Momentum goes to MS

2009 - Sony price cut + Slim - Momentum goes to Sony

2010 - MS price cut + Slim - Momentum goes to MS

And so on....

^ This.

2010 is the 360's year just like 2008, 360 slim, natal, price cut, it will leave ps3 in the dirt (in terms of sales), you all know how well the ps3 slim sold, the 360 slim will match that and pass it with ease.

I seriously don't think that'll happen but ok XD

Neither did any PS3 fans think the 360 would win 2008, but ok.  Obviously your personal bias will never allow you to think the competition is going to come out with something that beats your system in sales, but history, logic, and growing evidence says otherwise.



maximus22 on 26 March 2010
kowhoho said:
It's concievable, both consoles have the same amount of breathing room for pricecuts as they are currently the same price, so pricecuts on both sides should still end up favoring the PS3 if these patterns continue. There is no reason to think that they won't, either.


How do you figure?  The 360 starts at $200 and the PS3 starts at $300.



nightsurge on 26 March 2010
skeezer said:
nightsurge said:
^Its called an average. It includes both holiday and non-holiday considerations. Rather than separate the 2, he includes the total of all of them and just gives one simple average per month. Much easier that way.

The time frame may be right but those "per month" numbers are useless.

No they are not.  Ugh, do you not know what an average is?  The number he is giving as "per month" is no different to what you suggested doing.  Obviously some months outside of holidays it would never reach that amount, but the months during holidays it would exceed that amount and the overall average would turn out about right.

Trust us.  I really don't know how else to explain these simple calculations, but they are perfect exactly as they are.



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skeezer on 26 March 2010
nightsurge said:
skeezer said:
FKNetwork said:
nightsurge said:
Ssliasil said:
barozi, yes..there is...That was a complete fanboy comment...wow.

1.) The Slim wasnt launched in 2008,
2.) 2008 is completely irrelevant cause it doesnt cooincide with the current trend thats been running for 9 months now.
3.) again 2008 doesnt matter...at all anymore.

Actually this right here that you wrote is a fanboy comment.  What he said was true.

If I made this same thread at this time last year, the PS3 would have been down by an average of about 100k a week and the gap would forever increase.  You have to realize that momentum shifts will continue to happen each year.  This year it will favor MS (with slim, price cut, natal, etc).  There will be no year where Sony and MS somehow neutralize each other's moves so that a shift does not occur.

2007 - Sony price cut - Momentum goes to Sony

2008 - MS price cut - Momentum goes to MS

2009 - Sony price cut + Slim - Momentum goes to Sony

2010 - MS price cut + Slim - Momentum goes to MS

And so on....

^ This.

2010 is the 360's year just like 2008, 360 slim, natal, price cut, it will leave ps3 in the dirt (in terms of sales), you all know how well the ps3 slim sold, the 360 slim will match that and pass it with ease.

I seriously don't think that'll happen but ok XD

Neither did any PS3 fans think the 360 would win 2008, but ok.  Obviously your personal bias will never allow you to think the competition is going to come out with something that beats your system in sales, but history, logic, and growing evidence says otherwise.

That's why I said "ok" but obviously he'll still that'll all happen.



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nightsurge on 26 March 2010
maximus22 said:
kowhoho said:
It's concievable, both consoles have the same amount of breathing room for pricecuts as they are currently the same price, so pricecuts on both sides should still end up favoring the PS3 if these patterns continue. There is no reason to think that they won't, either.


How do you figure?  The 360 starts at $200 and the PS3 starts at $300.

But the majority of sales (~75% outside of holiday months) is the $300 360.  Starting price is irrelevant considering they have different SKU's.  If they PS3 had a hard drive-less SKU it would be ~$200 too, but that would be a bad thing because a PS3 has to have a big hard drive since so many games require installs.



thismeintiel on 26 March 2010
nightsurge said:
kowhoho said:
nightsurge said:
Ssliasil said:
barozi, yes..there is...That was a complete fanboy comment...wow.

1.) The Slim wasnt launched in 2008,
2.) 2008 is completely irrelevant cause it doesnt cooincide with the current trend thats been running for 9 months now.
3.) again 2008 doesnt matter...at all anymore.

Actually this right here that you wrote is a fanboy comment.  What he said was true.

If I made this same thread at this time last year, the PS3 would have been down by an average of about 100k a week and the gap would forever increase.  You have to realize that momentum shifts will continue to happen each year.  This year it will favor MS (with slim, price cut, natal, etc).  There will be no year where Sony and MS somehow neutralize each other's moves so that a shift does not occur.

2007 - Sony price cut - Momentum goes to Sony

2008 - MS price cut - Momentum goes to MS

2009 - Sony price cut + Slim - Momentum goes to Sony

2010 - MS price cut + Slim - Momentum goes to MS

And so on....

Ugh, let's think of some different insult words, shall we? Fanboy is such a tired term. With regards to the pricecuts, the PS3 has greater current momentum than the 360 even at the same price. If the 360 got a pricecut, they may gain momentum well enough to match or barely surmount that of the PS3, but the following pricecut for the PS3 would just negate its effect once again and sell faster. This train of thought is all based on current trends of course.

See 2008.  Yeah that's what I thought.  360 price cut this year and PS3 no price cut this year.  That is what I see the most likely and will result in another massive sales surge for the 360 just like 2008 after everyone was claiming the exact line you just said.

So yeah, they will gain momentum and surmount the PS3 by quite a bit for about a year until Sony can afford to combat such moves.

Also, who said anything about insults?  I was merely commenting on his post, not the poster.  His post completely ignored simple logic and basically only took into account a single possible outcome that would favor his said console.

Oh and to any who were wondering, the 360 didn't have a price cut last year, so get over it would you?  When the PS3 80gb replaced the PS3 40gb no one called that a price drop (except for the raging fanboys perhaps, but the majority saw it for what it actually was).  The Elite replacing the Pro was no different.  SKU changes, not price cuts.

Lets all not forget just how much cheaper the 360 is to produce.  The 360 doesn't have all the added value of a Blu-Ray drive, Wifi, bluetooth, and yet they are selling for the same price?  Obviously the PS3 when selling for the same price is going to represent a much bigger value (not taking games or online into account).  The 360 is really raking in profits per console sold right now.  Even without a slim revision they could afford to cut ~$50-75 off the price tag and still break even on hardware.  With the slim looking ever more likely given some pretty believable evidence from both MS and other sources, that cost reduction should make it so MS can cut the price by a full $100 again if they want.  Then bundle in Natal so its a 250GB Elite Slim with Natal for $250 and a Arcade Slim with Natal for $199.  Could be even less.

No price cut?  LOL!  What's $400 to $300, then?  It's a price cut for their top of the line model.  So the Elite got a price cut, but the Arcade didn't.  But, it's still a pricecut.  And yes, the 80 GB did count as a price cut for that model.  However, it doesn't have as much impact, as the price for the low-end and top-end models stayed the same.  With the Slim launch, both prices were lowered.  Both price cuts, for the PS3 and 360 Elite, during the Slim launch make the most impact, as it lowered either the low-end or top-end price, or both.  Either way you cut it, it was a price cut.  I mean by your logic, when the Elite ever becomes the only model at $199.99, it's still not a pricecut, cause it just replaced the Arcade.  So, in other words, for the rest of the gen 360 will never have a price cut, only the PS3 will.  That's just a ridiculous, as well as biased, way of thinking.

And all those extras you listed for the PS3 is the exact reason it's outselling the 360 on a weekly basis, usually ~100K.  That's why what kowhoho said is true.  With a major bump for the MS, it would only just catch the PS3 with weekly sales, or just barely pass it.  If PS3 also does a pricecut this year (most likely only ~ $25), then they will again outperform the 360.  You seem to not remember when the 360 dropped its price in '08, PS3 was still $400.  But now, it's in the sweet spot of $300, so sales for it aren't just going to go away because the 360 Elite is now $250.



 

nightsurge on 26 March 2010
skeezer said:
nightsurge said:
skeezer said:
FKNetwork said:
nightsurge said:
Ssliasil said:
barozi, yes..there is...That was a complete fanboy comment...wow.

1.) The Slim wasnt launched in 2008,
2.) 2008 is completely irrelevant cause it doesnt cooincide with the current trend thats been running for 9 months now.
3.) again 2008 doesnt matter...at all anymore.

Actually this right here that you wrote is a fanboy comment.  What he said was true.

If I made this same thread at this time last year, the PS3 would have been down by an average of about 100k a week and the gap would forever increase.  You have to realize that momentum shifts will continue to happen each year.  This year it will favor MS (with slim, price cut, natal, etc).  There will be no year where Sony and MS somehow neutralize each other's moves so that a shift does not occur.

2007 - Sony price cut - Momentum goes to Sony

2008 - MS price cut - Momentum goes to MS

2009 - Sony price cut + Slim - Momentum goes to Sony

2010 - MS price cut + Slim - Momentum goes to MS

And so on....

^ This.

2010 is the 360's year just like 2008, 360 slim, natal, price cut, it will leave ps3 in the dirt (in terms of sales), you all know how well the ps3 slim sold, the 360 slim will match that and pass it with ease.

I seriously don't think that'll happen but ok XD

Neither did any PS3 fans think the 360 would win 2008, but ok.  Obviously your personal bias will never allow you to think the competition is going to come out with something that beats your system in sales, but history, logic, and growing evidence says otherwise.

That's why I said "ok" but obviously he'll still that'll all happen.

And you'll still think it won't all happen for the same reasons.



maximus22 on 26 March 2010
nightsurge said:
maximus22 said:
kowhoho said:
It's concievable, both consoles have the same amount of breathing room for pricecuts as they are currently the same price, so pricecuts on both sides should still end up favoring the PS3 if these patterns continue. There is no reason to think that they won't, either.


How do you figure?  The 360 starts at $200 and the PS3 starts at $300.

But the majority of sales (~75% outside of holiday months) is the $300 360.  Starting price is irrelevant considering they have different SKU's.  If they PS3 had a hard drive-less SKU it would be ~$200 too, but that would be a bad thing because a PS3 has to have a big hard drive since so many games require installs.


Ah so.  I didn't know the percentage was that high.  Very well then.