Whaat? I said that Nintendo did better sword controls on WSR! The thing that really irritates me is the fact that you can't just move it around and cut how you want to like in WSR, once you get to a certain point it just swings for you, and how fast that swing is is based on the speed of your swing and how far you pulled back, but you can't like pull out your sword and do like the original ad and do a number 8 pattern.

As for the engine itself, yes it is 60 frames, but the enviornments aren't really open with multiple paths like with CoD or Battlefield.  The engine itself looks like the Rabbids Go Home engine, which lacks lighting and physics, not that every game needs to be a technical marvel but its like WSR would allow you to cut objects in various angles and you'd see the inside of the item while I've yet to see something make me go "thats pretty cool" in Red Steel 2, probably my big gripe is that I want a game like this to make me feel like a badass and it doesn't lol.

And I don't know why, but I completely missed this post! Awesome

After rereading what I typed, let me clarify it a little bit (never post after you just wake up).

It seems you expected a little bit more from the title Maxwell. Not saying that is a bad thing, but when the VGChartz review comes in for this game, make sure the picture painted of RS2 isn't so rosy. Out of all the people in this thread, I think your opinion is the most critical of the title. Once again, not saying its a bad thing, but it is notably different from the majority of people saying "flawless/seamless sword&gunplay"

Yeah I woke up and saw your post, now that I go back I see what you were trying to tell me haha.  Honestly I went in with no expectations like I do with most games, but much like many have expected someone to top Wii Sports Bowling controls in a full bowling game, every bowling game since really hasn't and now Nintendo improved it with WM+ and set the bar higher... but when you have one game which is 50 dollars with the WM+ with a lot of games packed in, minigames if you will vs 60 dollar pack in, where the whole point is sword fighting and gun fighting, you just want it to play just as well if not better than the collection of games.

One side is the testament to how well Nintendo works with their own hardware, on the other they've told developers they'd help them with motion controls if they made their games exclusive, Suda 51 had Miyamoto come in when he made NMH, just seems like with 2 years of development, help offered from the company themselves, and such they could come up with something that seems a least a bit more in depth and fun, when in the end it seems just about as responsive if not less than The Force Unleashed a little over 1 year development rushed title and even it makes you feel more badass.

how does this play without wiimotion+

It doesn't, M+ is required to play.

Do you usually stand up to play it?

I understand the game encourages (but doesn't force) you to use your sword more than the gun, but for those times when you do need to point I wouldn't want to be stood up... it's more difficult to aim (it's like trying to play a dual analogue FPS using your index fingers on the control sticks)

I can't imagine playing it sitting down to be honest. I honestly don't see it working very well. And I have no issue aiming while I stand up.

Well I don't think I would have a problem playing the sword bits lying down like I usually am (my TV is at the end of my bed... the only game so far I have trouble playing in this position is Wii Bowling)

Anything involving pointing though I would have difficulty doing it standing up, well, I can point anywhere on screen ok, but responsiveness and pinpoint accuracy is difficult without having at least somewhere to stady my elbow if not my wrist. Playing The Conduit for instance I would be terrible stood up.

I honestly don't know how well that would work, there are a lot of big movements going on. But tell me how it goes