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BMaker11 on 25 March 2010
Squilliam said:
Kasz216 said:
Squilliam said:
  • This generation 2 of 3 cannot really be called a success from a financial point of view.
  • This generation 2 of 3 cannot really be called a success from a hardware point of view as both the 360 and PS3s crap themselves too much.
  • This generation 3 of 3 can be called a success from a gamers perspective as the widest market ever can be satisfied with the offerings on the market and they are more differentiated than last generation by a significant degree, you can thank the Wii for this mostly.


I pretty much agree with this.  Though do PS3's break a lot?

 

Compared to the Wii they do. Also the earlier ones aren't that reliable due to the heat + dust sucker factor of their hardware design and the use of poor thermal paste and early generation lead free solder which is unreliable and will definately crack over time.

Yea....1% of Wiis fail, and like 1.5% of PS3s fail. 50% more, right?



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justinian on 25 March 2010
Squilliam said:
justinian said:
Squilliam said:
  • This generation 2 of 3 cannot really be called a success from a financial point of view.
  • This generation 2 of 3 cannot really be called a success from a hardware point of view as both the 360 and PS3s crap themselves too much.
  • YEAH, PS3 failure rate (10%), wii (2.7%), x360 (23%).
  • This generation 3 of 3 can be called a success from a gamers perspective as the widest market ever can be satisfied with the offerings on the market and they are more differentiated than last generation by a significant degree, you can thank the Wii for this mostly.


To even lump the PS3 and x360 together in terms of HW failure is crazy.

That's like saying the US and Haiti are equal military powers because both armies have machine guns... but you being you you probably would.

The rest of your post I agree with.

 

Not its not. You could argue the same about the financials but in the end they balance out. Not as bad reliability issues vs greater financial issues and vice versa.

Ok, whatever you say.



hikaruchan on 25 March 2010
novasonic said:
SmoothCriminal said:
What about the Dreamcast/N64/PS1 generation. Sure the ps1 dominated, but the N64 wasn't a failure. Many people would say that the Dreamcast was a failure, but it really wasn't. It had a strong opening week and strong sales through-out it's life-time. It's life just happened to be VERY short.

Oh, and the Dreamcast is the greatest console ever made, period.

Dreamcast wasn't in the 32/64bit gen. It was in the 128bit gen with xBox PS2, and CGN.

Yes SEGA Dremcast was 6 gen ps1/N64/Saturn are 5 Gen and the Dreamcast failed in Japan mostly due to it not having DVD out of the box when PS2 did. 



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cAPSLOCK on 25 March 2010
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Last gen 2 out of 3 systems made money.
This gen 1 out of 3 systems made money and many more devs went out of business.

We call this progress?

I do! Nothing like a good old fashioned Stalin-like purge of shitty game makers. On one side of the fence you have really expensive to make HD games and on the other you have to compete with Nintendo.



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The Ghost of RubangB on 25 March 2010
cAPSLOCK said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Last gen 2 out of 3 systems made money.
This gen 1 out of 3 systems made money and many more devs went out of business.

We call this progress?

I do! Nothing like a good old fashioned Stalin-like purge of shitty game makers. On one side of the fence you have really expensive to make HD games and on the other you have to compete with Nintendo.

ROFL.  Good way to look at it.  Nintendo put some coals under the entire industry's collective ass, and now we're getting innovation in every direction under the sun.  I like it.



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cAPSLOCK on 25 March 2010
The Ghost of RubangB said:
cAPSLOCK said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Last gen 2 out of 3 systems made money.
This gen 1 out of 3 systems made money and many more devs went out of business.

We call this progress?

I do! Nothing like a good old fashioned Stalin-like purge of shitty game makers. On one side of the fence you have really expensive to make HD games and on the other you have to compete with Nintendo.

ROFL.  Good way to look at it.  Nintendo put some coals under the entire industry's collective ass, and now we're getting innovation in every direction under the sun.  I like it.

Hell yeah, comrade.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91kdwxFsthI

The video game industry as we all know it is getting a massive kick in the ass thanks to Nintendo. They're really the only true visionaries on the hardware side of gaming.  I'm glad the days of just pushing graphics are dead.

As for the future? Let's ask Miyamoto!


In the future, what do you think video games will be like?
It's convenient to make games that are played on TVs. But I always wanted to have a custom-sized screen that wasn't the typical four-cornered cathode-ray-tube TV. I've always thought that games would eventually break free of the confines of a TV screen to fill an entire room. But I would rather not say anything more about that.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_45/b3958127.htm

The only thing this gen succeeded at was exposing who will be moving forward and who will stand still until everyone has passed them by. I have no sympathy for 3rd parties who have actively tried to tank the fastest selling console in history and the only one in recent memory that has tried to do something new and unique besides "MOAR POWA!"



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Squilliam on 25 March 2010
BMaker11 said:
Squilliam said:
Kasz216 said:
Squilliam said:
  • This generation 2 of 3 cannot really be called a success from a financial point of view.
  • This generation 2 of 3 cannot really be called a success from a hardware point of view as both the 360 and PS3s crap themselves too much.
  • This generation 3 of 3 can be called a success from a gamers perspective as the widest market ever can be satisfied with the offerings on the market and they are more differentiated than last generation by a significant degree, you can thank the Wii for this mostly.


I pretty much agree with this.  Though do PS3's break a lot?

 

Compared to the Wii they do. Also the earlier ones aren't that reliable due to the heat + dust sucker factor of their hardware design and the use of poor thermal paste and early generation lead free solder which is unreliable and will definately crack over time.

Yea....1% of Wiis fail, and like 1.5% of PS3s fail. 50% more, right?

Bullpoop. Theres no supporting evidence for such a low failure rate. There is evidence to the contrary however.



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adsl on 25 March 2010

Because of the money lost by Sony and Microsoft this gen I don't think there is space for 3 consoles in the market... I a few years maybe we will see only one of them in the console's market.



BMaker11 on 26 March 2010
Squilliam said:
BMaker11 said:
Squilliam said:
Kasz216 said:
Squilliam said:
  • This generation 2 of 3 cannot really be called a success from a financial point of view.
  • This generation 2 of 3 cannot really be called a success from a hardware point of view as both the 360 and PS3s crap themselves too much.
  • This generation 3 of 3 can be called a success from a gamers perspective as the widest market ever can be satisfied with the offerings on the market and they are more differentiated than last generation by a significant degree, you can thank the Wii for this mostly.


I pretty much agree with this.  Though do PS3's break a lot?

 

Compared to the Wii they do. Also the earlier ones aren't that reliable due to the heat + dust sucker factor of their hardware design and the use of poor thermal paste and early generation lead free solder which is unreliable and will definately crack over time.

Yea....1% of Wiis fail, and like 1.5% of PS3s fail. 50% more, right?

Bullpoop. Theres no supporting evidence for such a low failure rate. There is evidence to the contrary however.

You're talking about earlier models being unreliable?  Just google "PS3 failure rate".



Kenoid on 26 March 2010

Mostly with sales, but profits hasn't been increasing that much



                                  

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