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Doobie_wop on 24 March 2010
guiduc said:
Doobie_wop said:
''I would argue there are also high-quality games that seem to be well marketed (that) aren't selling well on competitive platforms.''

I read it and honestly couldn't think of any high quality titles that have been well marketed and flopped on the HD console's.

The closest would be Too Human, but that was far from high quality or well marketed.

Otherwise everything else he said was fine, Reggie sure can keep on his toes in interviews.

Bioshock on PS3

Bioshock 2 on every platform 

Dead Space

Silent Hill

Ratchet and Clank: Crack in Time

 

Do you need more?

Bioshock was a year old port on the PS3 and I can't remember seeing any ad's for it.

Bioshock 2 released last month and it's already sold 1.5 million copies on the HD platforms.

Dead Space has sold 2 million on both HD platforms.

Silent Hill has never sold well and it actually sold more on the HD platforms combined compared to past games.

A Crack in Time released last October and has sold 900,000 copies.

I don't know what your definition of a flop is, but those games aern't exactly flops.



Bet with Conegamer and AussieGecko that the PS3 will have more exclusives in 2011 than the Wii or 360... or something.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3879752

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NJ5 on 24 March 2010
Doobie_wop said:
''I would argue there are also high-quality games that seem to be well marketed (that) aren't selling well on competitive platforms.''

I read it and honestly couldn't think of any high quality titles that have been well marketed and flopped on the HD console's.

The closest would be Too Human, but that was far from high quality or well marketed.

Otherwise everything else he said was fine, Reggie sure can keep on his toes in interviews.

Bionic commando...

There are many examples, but they're usually not talked about since Wii fans don't usually use this weapon agains the PS360.

 



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GuyDuke on 24 March 2010

I don't think mature games can't sell on Nintendo consoles. I remember GoldenEye and Perfect Dark selling really good... They were all shooting games.

I mean, developers are so stupid! If they would have thought a little more about what's appealing to the mass people with their games, they could have produced another hit, like Just Dance. Games on the Wii still sells a year after their release, unlike the PS3 or Xbox 360 whose games drop after a strong first week.



NJ5 on 24 March 2010
Doobie_wop said:
guiduc said:
Doobie_wop said:
''I would argue there are also high-quality games that seem to be well marketed (that) aren't selling well on competitive platforms.''

I read it and honestly couldn't think of any high quality titles that have been well marketed and flopped on the HD console's.

The closest would be Too Human, but that was far from high quality or well marketed.

Otherwise everything else he said was fine, Reggie sure can keep on his toes in interviews.

Bioshock on PS3

Bioshock 2 on every platform 

Dead Space

Silent Hill

Ratchet and Clank: Crack in Time

 

Do you need more?

Bioshock was a year old port on the PS3 and I can't remember seeing any ad's for it.

Bioshock 2 released last month and it's already sold 1.5 million copies on the HD platforms.

Dead Space has sold 2 million on both HD platforms.

Silent Hill has never sold well and it actually sold more on the HD platforms combined compared to past games.

A Crack in Time released last October and has sold 900,000 copies.

I don't know what your definition of a flop is, but those games aern't exactly flops.

 

By your definition (which I agree with), many of the so called Wii flops aren't flops either.

For example Fatal Frame 4 actually sold in line with the PS2 games in the same series (even more than some of them). Madworld sold more than God Hand, a game by the same developer on the PS2.

 



My Mario Kart Wii friend code: 2707-1866-0957

GuyDuke on 24 March 2010
Doobie_wop said:
guiduc said:
Doobie_wop said:
''I would argue there are also high-quality games that seem to be well marketed (that) aren't selling well on competitive platforms.''

I read it and honestly couldn't think of any high quality titles that have been well marketed and flopped on the HD console's.

The closest would be Too Human, but that was far from high quality or well marketed.

Otherwise everything else he said was fine, Reggie sure can keep on his toes in interviews.

Bioshock on PS3

Bioshock 2 on every platform 

Dead Space

Silent Hill

Ratchet and Clank: Crack in Time

 

Do you need more?

Bioshock was a year old port on the PS3 and I can't remember seeing any ad's for it.

Bioshock 2 released last month and it's already sold 1.5 million copies on the HD platforms.

Dead Space has sold 2 million on both HD platforms.

Silent Hill has never sold well and it actually sold more on the HD platforms combined compared to past games.

A Crack in Time released last October and has sold 900,000 copies.

I don't know what your definition of a flop is, but those games aern't exactly flops.

Those are not return on investments. Bioshock 2 on PS3 nearly sold 500 000, and it costs a lot making a game multiplatforms.

Crack in Time is a flop compared to Tools of Destruction

Bioshock still failed on the PS3



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Doobie_wop on 24 March 2010
NJ5 said:
Doobie_wop said:
guiduc said:
Doobie_wop said:
''I would argue there are also high-quality games that seem to be well marketed (that) aren't selling well on competitive platforms.''

I read it and honestly couldn't think of any high quality titles that have been well marketed and flopped on the HD console's.

The closest would be Too Human, but that was far from high quality or well marketed.

Otherwise everything else he said was fine, Reggie sure can keep on his toes in interviews.

Bioshock on PS3

Bioshock 2 on every platform 

Dead Space

Silent Hill

Ratchet and Clank: Crack in Time

 

Do you need more?

Bioshock was a year old port on the PS3 and I can't remember seeing any ad's for it.

Bioshock 2 released last month and it's already sold 1.5 million copies on the HD platforms.

Dead Space has sold 2 million on both HD platforms.

Silent Hill has never sold well and it actually sold more on the HD platforms combined compared to past games.

A Crack in Time released last October and has sold 900,000 copies.

I don't know what your definition of a flop is, but those games aern't exactly flops.

 

By your definition (which I agree with), many of the so called Wii flops aren't flops either.

For example Fatal Frame 4 actually sold in line with the PS2 games in the same series (even more than some of them). Madworld sold more than God Hand, a game by the same developer on the PS2.

 

Yup, that's pretty much it. I wouldn't see game's like Madworld or No More Heroes as flop's only because of how the developer's past titles sold.

Now if No More Heroes 2 doesn't pick up in sales (I'm sure it will, considering Wii games have great legs) then I'd consider that a flop.



Bet with Conegamer and AussieGecko that the PS3 will have more exclusives in 2011 than the Wii or 360... or something.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3879752

NYANKS on 24 March 2010
Squilliam said:
I can't disagree that for most people the Wiis value is better.


And the PS2's value is about 20x greater than THAT.   :P



jarrod on 24 March 2010
Doobie_wop said:
jarrod said:
Doobie_wop said:
''I would argue there are also high-quality games that seem to be well marketed (that) aren't selling well on competitive platforms.''

I read it and honestly couldn't think of any high quality titles that have been well marketed and flopped on the HD console's.

The closest would be Too Human, but that was far from high quality or well marketed.

Otherwise everything else he said was fine, Reggie sure can keep on his toes in interviews.

Virtua Fighter 5, Bayonetta, Mirror's Edge, nearly everything recently on PSP... I'm sure someone out there with the time can do a comprehensive list.

Nevermind that if Dead Space Extraction and GTA Chinatown Wars had launched on "competing platforms" they'd have still flopped, possibly worse.

The PSP I can definetely agree with, but Bayonetta is close to a million copies sold combined on both platforms and just released in January, Mirror's Edge is close to 2 million sold combined and isn't known as a 'high quality' title. Virtua Fighter 5 did bomb, but 520,000 on a console with such a small install base at launch is hardly at fault.

The interview question was rude, but I just though that Reggie's answer didn't exactly ring true when you look at quality titles with good marketing on the HD platform's.

Bayonetta (on each platform) sold less than MadWorld in the west.  On PS3 in particular, it did about 20k (iirc) worse than MadWorld it's first NPD and it even had 2 extra weeks of sales for it, not to mention the much higher level of promotion and critical reception.  I think the theme, design and release timing definitely worked against it, but then that's true of pretty much every 3rd party "core" Wii title that gets brought up for underperforming (and basically none of them have had a promotional campaign even approaching Bayonetta).

VF5 was an epic bomb, and really games tend to sell better around launch thanks to limited competition and early adopters being more frequent game buyers.  Compare it to pretty much any other previous high predigree launch period fighter... even stuff like VF3tb or DOA3 did dramatically better, so you can't really blame it on userbase.  Genre fatigue maybe, but DOA4 did twice as much just a year earlier, so even that's questionable.

Mirror's Edge was favorably rated in general, had a big promotional push, and far undershot expectations.  Same was true for Dead Space actually.  Both have crawled to impressive figures, but that's been chiefly in the bargain bins.  I wouldn't classify it as a "bomb" per se, but I wouldn't say it's been a "success" either.



Doobie_wop on 24 March 2010
guiduc said:
Doobie_wop said:
guiduc said:
Doobie_wop said:
''I would argue there are also high-quality games that seem to be well marketed (that) aren't selling well on competitive platforms.''

I read it and honestly couldn't think of any high quality titles that have been well marketed and flopped on the HD console's.

The closest would be Too Human, but that was far from high quality or well marketed.

Otherwise everything else he said was fine, Reggie sure can keep on his toes in interviews.

Bioshock on PS3

Bioshock 2 on every platform 

Dead Space

Silent Hill

Ratchet and Clank: Crack in Time

 

Do you need more?

Bioshock was a year old port on the PS3 and I can't remember seeing any ad's for it.

Bioshock 2 released last month and it's already sold 1.5 million copies on the HD platforms.

Dead Space has sold 2 million on both HD platforms.

Silent Hill has never sold well and it actually sold more on the HD platforms combined compared to past games.

A Crack in Time released last October and has sold 900,000 copies.

I don't know what your definition of a flop is, but those games aern't exactly flops.

Those are not return on investments. Bioshock 2 on PS3 nearly sold 500 000, and it costs a lot making a game multiplatforms.

Crack in Time is a flop compared to Tools of Destruction

Bioshock still failed on the PS3

I agree with you, but unless we know how much it cost's to port a title to another HD system then we don't know if 2k turned a profit or not with the PS3 version of Bioshock 1, the game was already made so they can't have spent to much on the port. 

Crack in Time released on the 27th of October last year, Tool's of Destruction has a 2 year head start.

Bioshock 2 released last month, it could go on to sell 1 million by the end of the year, that's not exactly bad.



Bet with Conegamer and AussieGecko that the PS3 will have more exclusives in 2011 than the Wii or 360... or something.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3879752

Carl on 24 March 2010
guiduc said:
Doobie_wop said:
guiduc said:
Doobie_wop said:
''I would argue there are also high-quality games that seem to be well marketed (that) aren't selling well on competitive platforms.''

I read it and honestly couldn't think of any high quality titles that have been well marketed and flopped on the HD console's.

The closest would be Too Human, but that was far from high quality or well marketed.

Otherwise everything else he said was fine, Reggie sure can keep on his toes in interviews.

Bioshock on PS3

Bioshock 2 on every platform 

Dead Space

Silent Hill

Ratchet and Clank: Crack in Time

 

Do you need more?

Bioshock was a year old port on the PS3 and I can't remember seeing any ad's for it.

Bioshock 2 released last month and it's already sold 1.5 million copies on the HD platforms.

Dead Space has sold 2 million on both HD platforms.

Silent Hill has never sold well and it actually sold more on the HD platforms combined compared to past games.

A Crack in Time released last October and has sold 900,000 copies.

I don't know what your definition of a flop is, but those games aern't exactly flops.

Those are not return on investments. Bioshock 2 on PS3 nearly sold 500 000, and it costs a lot making a game multiplatforms.

Crack in Time is a flop compared to Tools of Destruction

Bioshock still failed on the PS3

BioShock on PS3 sold enough to warrant the sequel being released on the platform. BioShock 2 (i think) has already surpassed the original games numbers on PS3. I wouldn't exactly call the decision of Bioshock PS3 a flop.

As for Ratchet, get your facts right. Crack in Time is actually selling BETTER than Tools of Destruction did. See for yourself