In all the time that Wii has been out I havn't seen a single third party game worth buying. Now maybe, maybe, there might be a third party motion control game worth it. Still I doubt it.

Sony would have been stupid to not try to do motion control and there are only so many ways to do motion control. MS chose one of the other ways, which I still think could flop on its face.

well i think its a good idea. Exsisting PS3 owners who didnt want to spend all that money on a concept they may not like get to try it out on the PS3 for much cheaper and more superior. So really its a win win for a traditional Sony fan

I'm not sure how you would lose fan by embracing motion controls. Sony is just trying to tap the same market that Nintendo has. Does that mean Sony is abandoning it's core market group? Sony is just expanding it's market reach and trying to stem the Nintendo tide. Whether it'll be successful remains to be seen.

I think Nintendo fans are the only ones who are upset. This stuff hasn't even come out,  and Sony is giving many of us the games we bought the system for and more.

Yah, Sony copied Nintendo, but at least motion games are finally going to have HD graphics and that is why Natal and Move are superior for me. Settle down Nintendo boyz and enjoy your games.

Very unlikely. It's not like they're going to only make casual games now, this is basically just an add-on component to tap into the casual market. Good ideas get copied, deal with it.

I hear what you're saying, but then the controller alone (without the subcontroller) would need to be under $40. 300 for the system, still guessing 80 for the starter set, and 40 for 3 more controllers (remember, this is about a social, multiplayer experience if Sony wants to bring in Wii owners). That already adds up $500, which is why I'm pretty sure for that whole set, it will be over $500. Then if you also NEED the subcontrollers, it's even more (though slightly).

And I completely agree, Sony fans typically adore a compelling single-player experience. I noticed that a long time ago.

Brawl for me, but what's that have to do with anything? I'm pretty sure no one's played >300 hours of Uncharted 1, but that's a great game.

Honestly I'm all for this change. I already consolidated from the Wii, 360 and PS3 down to the Wii and PS3 (I sold the 360 and got a second PS3 so my wife and I can play co-op and have a blu ray on our 2nd TV).

The way I see it this more or less lets me consolidate further down to just the PS3. I like the motion controller of the Wii, but to be honest the graphics just grates on me. I looked at the Sony version of Wii Sports resort and even though its silly and shallow, that it looked....you know, good, made a big difference to my impression. I'm sick of playing a second rate version of Tiger Woods just so I can use motion.

I will lose out on the Nintendo games but I've kind of outgrown those I've found. I loved Mario 64 when it was new and I was...what...12 or something? I didn't even buy a PS1 until 97 when FFVII forced my hand, I was all about the N64 early on thanks largely to Nintendo games.

I tried to find the same joy in Mario Galaxy but I couldn't get much past the 4th or 5th stage without getting bored out of my mind (while I managed to play long enough for every last star in 64). I loved Metroid Prime 1 but found myself bored with 3...I haven't finished a full Zelda game since Link to the past and that game boy one where you are on that island from back in the 90s.

It probably isn't that the Nintendo games are bad, they still get great reviews. It's more that I find myself needing something more then just interesting game play to draw me in these days. Go rescue the princess because she's the princess and you're Mario just doesn't cut it to pique my interest anymore. I need crazy serial killer stories with intersecting plot lines that could be a david Lynch film like Heavy Rain or crazy Indiana Jones sequences like Uncharted 2. At the very least I need some competitive multiplayer without those god awful friend codes, I'm fine with putting kids in danger of meeting weirdos if it means I have a easy consistent way to get multiplayer going with voice.

The Wii was sort of the system I would play with people who don't otherwise play and would never pick up a traditional controller, I almost never played it alone (except to try and fail to play through galaxy, mario kart, Zelda ect). It looks like the PS3 will fill this gap, which is great for me since selling the Wii and accessories will cover all the Move controllers and a few games.

In short this is a win for Sony fans, not a loss. I'm glad they did it and think they will gain not lose share as a result.

You're flip-flopping here.

You argument was about alienating fans. Now you say that even though it won't alienate fans, it will bleed money?

To be honest, it may well bleed money, because I don't see it succeeding in its current state. But if I don't want Move (and believe me, from what I've seen, I don't), then I don't have to buy it. There's nothing to really get upset about. It would be a bit like people complaining about the ability to marry people of the same gender.

Ah, wait.

  I do agree on the Coke/New Coke vs Pepsi point.  I would say, though, that some people like Pepsi but need to have some cokes in the fridge for friends who don't.  That is more or less what this is.  I can talk my aging father into playing Wii bowling or Tiger Woods with the Wiimote but there's no way he's playing Uncharted 2.

  I like PS3 games, I don't really like Wii games much but when I have certain friends over (or my younger cousins come over to visit) they do like Wii type games.  So I don't mind having Coke type casual motion Wii games as an add on for that purpose.  I seriously doubt that the PS3 will ever turn into the Wii with the casual centric games.  It will probably be a little subsection like games that use the classic controller are a subsection on the Wii.

   I do think some Pepsi non casual games would actually be better with the motion controller though.  Heavy Rain, for instance, would probably have been well served to have a motion controller option, so its not useless for non casual games necesarily.  It expands the Sony brand if anything and gives core gamer types casual options without having to buy a seperate casual console.