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ckmlb said:
Not surprising the majority of people here are Nintendo fans so some will hate on those games no matter how good the reviews. It's one of the really sick parts of fanboyism, cause you're basically hoping that owners of the other system will be disappointed so that you feel a little better since you can't get those games.

They basically think of everything as a zero sum game. Before Galaxy started getting crazy reviews all you could hear was how the game reviewers hate the Wii. Now that's all changed. It's the same with all fanboys.

Bingo

 Anyways Mass Effect is a PC buy for me when it comes out, it's looking like GOTY.



I'll take the case!!!

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I havent played MAss effect, so I cant comment. What friends have told me though its an ok game. As far as Halo goes, I didnt like the first one, The second one was even worse and the third was as bad as the first, but with better visuals. I know plenty of people that are Halo freaks and love this game, but IMO it blows.



Several points:

1. Ask yourself, why does a person buy a console? The likely answer: Because it has the games they like. You might like Halo and Mass Effect and they may well be awesome games (haven't played Mass Effect so I can't say) but that doesn't mean everyone will like them. They might like Mario or Zelda. Or else they might like Final Fantasy or Ratchet and Clank. If that's the case they're not going to buy a X360 and they're not going to care that they're "missing out" on Halo or Mass Effect because they don't like those games. That's not being a fanboy or a hater, that's called having different tastes.

2. People need to stop cherry picking for examples. It's hardly fair to say that Wii owners are condemned to playing Mario Party and Boogie while X360 owners have things like Halo without even mentioning Zelda, Metroid or Mario. I could just as easily say all X360 owners are stuck with Dead or Alive Beach Volley Ball 2, but that wouldn't be a fair comparison at all.

It all comes down to a matter of taste. If someone doesn't like what you like it doesn't make them a hater. It means they've got different taste. Calling someone an idiot for not liking the same things as you is pointless and ignorant. All you need to do is ask yourself: are you happy with your purchase? If the answer is yes then move on with your life.



Yeah, a lot of people here (and everywhere else for that matter) are indeed biased against games of opposing consoles, spending hours posting messages to discredit decent games on other consoles. Yeah that's you who are reading this.

They better spend those hours for something more productive so that they can earn some extra bucks to buy another console. But then again, this website will be fairly stale without those bickering.

I wish people would just go "damn I wish I could play that thing, grats Wii/XBOX/PS3 owners." But it rarely happens. Really, there is not much point in coming to game forum these days (I have practically zero interest in sales or console war so that doesn't help).



No, it's not going to stop  'Til you wise up
No, it's not going to stop  So just ... give up
- Aimee Mann

omgwtfbbq said:
mrstickball said:
Sigh. Let me take the side of the anti-hyped games, and such.


I think with any game, it comes down to a few sensibilities about a given game:

With an ultra-highly rated, revolutionary game in a given genre that someone loves (ie, a WRPG fan being madly in love with Mass Effect, or a FPS person liking Halo 3 and Bioshock), we have come to have a deep-rooted respect for the given game.

So when someone dissents out of personal opinion, it attacks our strong feelings about our enjoyment of a game. Millions of people spend vastly more time on Halo 3 than probably every single Wii game combined around the world. Yet despite that, Halo 3 isn't the be-all end-all of games. It has it's flaws, but also has a great multiplayer environment. However, not everyone likes that.

Mass Effect is the same way. It has a ton of shooter elements in it. Approaching Mass Effect, I have always been leary of the idea of adding too much TPS elements, and muddying the waters of what a quality RPG is. Now, in my case, I'm trying to get beyond that (ie, an elongated Gears of War with quests). However, for some, they cannot get beyond that, as it stabs their beloved Final Fantasy, and such in the back.


I've experienced something just as heinous: all the Blue Dragon bashing. It's a near-flawless gem of a Japanese RPG. Nearly perfect in every way, backed by a rabid fanbase of owners that realize how truely awesome this RPG is. Despite this, it's had bad reviews (77% avg), and alot of stupid bashing from these forums. Does it make me mad? Of course it does, expecially when idiots attack it that don't realize that they're missing out on a Dragon Quest and/or Final Fantasy-level RPG.

But then I realize: it really shouldn't matter what other's think. The people that bash these games DO NOT OWN A 360. Not only that, they'll never buy one: they're too stupid to do that. Because of that, I can't worry. They are just going to have to miss out on the fantastic library of games that they'd probably love if they got off their N-tard or Sonyfan rockers, and tried the library. Likewise, I am sure I miss a few great Wii games with my bias to the X360.

That's just life. Get over it. The X360, from reviewers, is the king of quality gaming. If the 60% of people on this forum that consider the Wii the best system of the next gen's + handhelds want to ignore and bash the X360, that's fine. I'm the one laughing because I haven't had a video game drought since the X360 launched. They have had to trudge through crap game after crap game thrown at them.

So in the end, I smile. I get Mass Effect, they don't. And that's the sweetest victory: denying your enemy a chance to enjoy themselves as they play Mario Party 8 and their Boogie-esque games while I enjoy Sakaguchi and Mass Effect.

I'm sorry, but I seem to be sensing a case of video game snobbery over here. You enjoy your Mass Effect, your Halo 3, your Blue Dragon. You're more than welcome to. I don't think you need to say that I am "too stupid to buy an Xbox360". In fact, I prefer to think I'm too smart to buy an Xbox360, Because I'm not interested in spending $560 for it when I'm only interested in two games for it, (one of which is getting released for PC).


So let me get this right... You basically want me to try almost all of Nintendo's games to try to find one with a decent story this isn't simplistic, cliched, or repetitive before I say their games don't appeal to me.  Yet you obviously haven't played very many 360 games to be able to tell they don't appeal to you?  Talk about a double standard.

The snobbery you speak of, well maybe you and other Nintendo fans should look in the mirror.  Take Zero Punctuation for example, some Nintendo fanboys thought it was hilarious when he was bashing 360 games, but the moment he dared to criticize the Nintendo sacred cash cow that is Zelda he started to get bashed by Nintendo fanboys like he's never seen with other games.  In fact he even mentioned how much bashing he took from it (just go read the NeoGAF thread about Zero Punchtuation for example).

The truth is that *gasp* there are people that Nintendo's games just don't appeal to and just because I haven't played every Nintendo game available doesn't mean that somehow I'm a fanboy or that I haven't given Nintendo games a chance.  I gave it's games a chance before I realized that they would just be a chore for me and a waste of my time if I didn't enjoy them.  Just as I'm sure you played some of the 360's games or similar ones to realize that the 360 isn't for you and that you likely wouldn't enjoy most of the games on it.



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Legend11 said:
omgwtfbbq said:
mrstickball said:
Sigh. Let me take the side of the anti-hyped games, and such.


I think with any game, it comes down to a few sensibilities about a given game:

With an ultra-highly rated, revolutionary game in a given genre that someone loves (ie, a WRPG fan being madly in love with Mass Effect, or a FPS person liking Halo 3 and Bioshock), we have come to have a deep-rooted respect for the given game.

So when someone dissents out of personal opinion, it attacks our strong feelings about our enjoyment of a game. Millions of people spend vastly more time on Halo 3 than probably every single Wii game combined around the world. Yet despite that, Halo 3 isn't the be-all end-all of games. It has it's flaws, but also has a great multiplayer environment. However, not everyone likes that.

Mass Effect is the same way. It has a ton of shooter elements in it. Approaching Mass Effect, I have always been leary of the idea of adding too much TPS elements, and muddying the waters of what a quality RPG is. Now, in my case, I'm trying to get beyond that (ie, an elongated Gears of War with quests). However, for some, they cannot get beyond that, as it stabs their beloved Final Fantasy, and such in the back.


I've experienced something just as heinous: all the Blue Dragon bashing. It's a near-flawless gem of a Japanese RPG. Nearly perfect in every way, backed by a rabid fanbase of owners that realize how truely awesome this RPG is. Despite this, it's had bad reviews (77% avg), and alot of stupid bashing from these forums. Does it make me mad? Of course it does, expecially when idiots attack it that don't realize that they're missing out on a Dragon Quest and/or Final Fantasy-level RPG.

But then I realize: it really shouldn't matter what other's think. The people that bash these games DO NOT OWN A 360. Not only that, they'll never buy one: they're too stupid to do that. Because of that, I can't worry. They are just going to have to miss out on the fantastic library of games that they'd probably love if they got off their N-tard or Sonyfan rockers, and tried the library. Likewise, I am sure I miss a few great Wii games with my bias to the X360.

That's just life. Get over it. The X360, from reviewers, is the king of quality gaming. If the 60% of people on this forum that consider the Wii the best system of the next gen's + handhelds want to ignore and bash the X360, that's fine. I'm the one laughing because I haven't had a video game drought since the X360 launched. They have had to trudge through crap game after crap game thrown at them.

So in the end, I smile. I get Mass Effect, they don't. And that's the sweetest victory: denying your enemy a chance to enjoy themselves as they play Mario Party 8 and their Boogie-esque games while I enjoy Sakaguchi and Mass Effect.

I'm sorry, but I seem to be sensing a case of video game snobbery over here. You enjoy your Mass Effect, your Halo 3, your Blue Dragon. You're more than welcome to. I don't think you need to say that I am "too stupid to buy an Xbox360". In fact, I prefer to think I'm too smart to buy an Xbox360, Because I'm not interested in spending $560 for it when I'm only interested in two games for it, (one of which is getting released for PC).


So let me get this right... You basically want me to try almost all of Nintendo's games to try to find one with a decent story this isn't simplistic, cliched, or repetitive before I say their games don't appeal to me.  Yet you obviously haven't played very many 360 games to be able to tell they don't appeal to you?  Talk about a double standard.

The snobbery you speak of, well maybe you and other Nintendo fans should look in the mirror.  Take Zero Punctuation for example, some Nintendo fanboys thought it was hilarious when he was bashing 360 games, but the moment he dared to criticize the Nintendo sacred cash cow that is Zelda he started to get bashed by Nintendo fanboys like he's never seen with other games.  In fact he even mentioned how much bashing he took from it (just go read the NeoGAF thread about Zero Punchtuation for example).

The truth is that *gasp* there are people that Nintendo's games just don't appeal to and just because I haven't played every Nintendo game available doesn't mean that somehow I'm a fanboy or that I haven't given Nintendo games a chance.  I gave it's games a chance before I realized that they would just be a chore for me and a waste of my time if I didn't enjoy them.  Just as I'm sure you played some of the 360's games or similar ones to realize that the 360 isn't for you and that you likely wouldn't enjoy most of the games on it.

Hmm? I said I wasn't interested in Blue Dragon, Halo 3 and Gears of War. I have played Gears. I have played Halos 1 and 2. I have not played Blue Dragon (I don't think it's out in Australia), but I have played and not enjoyed Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, etc, and it appears Blue Dragon is very similar.

The difference between you and me, however, is that I never said "I don't like Xbox360 games". If I had said that, then yes, I would be guilty of double standards. I actually stated that I am very interested in two Xbox360 games (Mass Effect and Viva Pinata, if you are interested). I have played quite a few Xbox 360 games, as one of my friends has one. It was kinda fun but none of the games interested me at all (he didn't have either of those two games, unfortunately).

However, all I have said is that not enough on the Xbox 360 interests me enough for my to put down the $600 required for me to purchase one. You, however, have said "I dislike Nintendo games." You don't give them a chance. I'm not saying you should play every single Nintendo game. But to dismiss out of hand every game they make like that is completely closed-minded.  If you want story-driven gameplay then buy a story-driven game. Don't play Mario and complain, and then say "Nintendo games all have terribly weak storylines". You're just using it to fuel your own anti-Nintendo hate. 

EDIT: On the snobbery aspect, I never said Nintendo games are the best. All I ever said was that it's terribly unfair to dismiss all their games and say "I don't like Nintendo games" since they are all so incredibly different. I don't understand how you can possibly say I'm being hypocritical as I would say the exact same thing about Sony and Microsoft. 



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@legend11

Yeah, it's quite possible that some people honestly dislike nintendo-type games for shallow stories and whatnot while others simply can't have fun with xbox type games for some reason. Natural segmentation. That's possible.

But most of the people here are not like that. They just attack games because those games aren't on their consoles.

People don't have to like games of other consoles, but at least gamers ought to respect well-crafted games even if they can't or don't want to play them. There's absolutely no need to bash them unless of course you have played them thoroughly and have legitimate complaints.

This is totally unrelated but as for a shallow story, I sort of agree with someone in this forum who said most game stories were shallow anyway, although there could be few exceptions. I'm in my 30s, fairly educated, have read a lot, and quite frankly, the qualities of most in-game stories are just so fucking abysmal that I might as well play a game with no story. When I do play games with so-called "deep story", I try not to chuckle. Well, but that's just me.



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Honestly the hate is equal parts envy, frustration, fear, and self recrimination. When a zealot takes notice of a real good highly anticipated game going to a console not their own it hits a raw nerve. This is the old sour grapes fable expressed in real life. Instead of telling themselves that the game looks entertaining. Their frustrations get the better of them, and often they hate on the game to make themselves feel better about the fact that they will not be playing it.

Hype is a subjective thing. When it is over something your not interested in you feel its excessive. However when it is something your interested in the hype machine only stimulates you further enhancing the experience. However hype is not something you should hold against a game.

Both Halo 3 and Mass Effect appear to be truly wonderful games. I have gotten my moneys worth out of Halo 3. I have probably spent over eighty hours playing the game, and I know I will continue to play it for months or years. I also think that Mass Effect is the heir apparent to the first Knights of the Old Republic. Another series of games I truly love. The story is the experience, and your not a passive observer.

I suppose it is a shame that fanboys are so blind. They only hurt themselves. They are not open to new experiences, and thats the spice of life.



RolStoppable said:

@Legend11

Why don't you give us some examples which of the games, that you have played, have a good story? It would really help us if we knew what you define as a good story, so that we could recommend you a Nintendo game you should try out.

If it isn't too much work for you, you could also tell us which Nintendo games you have played and why you didn't like them. 

And we are still waiting for a list of movies (based on videogames) with a good story.


Sure.  The last game I played Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask of the Betrayer had a good story.  The next game I'll be playing, Mass Effect, the story will be just as important to me as the gameplay so hopefully it has a good one.

Some of the Nintendo games I've played that didn't appeal to me include:

Zelda:OOT - It felt like one fetch quest after another (go to dungeon x and get item y, go to next dungeon and repeat).  The story bored me to death and had a been there done that feel to it.  I gave up on it after I reached some fortress in the desert in which I had to use stealth, I couldn't force myself to continue. 

Super Mario 64 - I put it in and played for about an hour and that was the last I ever played of it.  It just felt like the same old Mario game just in 3d.  

Mario Kart: Double Dash - My girlfriend at the time *loved* this game, I was bored of it within an hour of playing it.  The only reason I played it more than that was because she enjoyed the game.

Pilotwings 64 - I was bored of that game in about 30 minutes, I couldn't get into it at all.

One game I'd really like to try though is Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem although it's just published by Nintendo and is nothing like their in-house games.  I think though that I'd really enjoy it.



If you have a Wii, try defend in the forum a XBOX or PS3 game that you might like, just for the hell of it. (If you have a XBOX, defend a Wii or PS3 game that you sorta like.)

You'll see a bunch of people whom you previously thought of as your ally start attacking you for no good reason.

This will put you in perspective a bit and will show you how silly the whole thing is.



No, it's not going to stop  'Til you wise up
No, it's not going to stop  So just ... give up
- Aimee Mann