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Hapimeses said:
Rainbird said:

Hapimeses garbled:

Blah, blah, blah...

You should report it to ioi if you find an intrusive ad. Just send him a PM about it.

I suppose I could, but...

...I don't like to intrude. It's not like I know ioi.

...It happens so much that much of my time on this site would be PMs to ioi. He'd soon learn to hate me.

Well, you either do that, or you live with the ads. Reporting them to ioi is the only thing you can really



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ioi said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:

Just coming into this forum, there was a big bright red ad for something that opened up a secondary window and covered up all the 'Headlines' section.  That's the kind of annoyance and controlling I'm talking about.  Keep refreshing the main page and I'm sure you'll see it.

Thinking back in recent history, I can remember the Evony ads, Progressive ads, that 'Gamer Print' add that took up the WHOLE screen with the 'FF7 T-Shirt offer' and something for a major game (something like Resistance), and many others that popped up in an alternate window over both the main page and the forum.  Most either wouldn't go away without pressing on the ad itself scrolling past the ad.

There has never been a GamerPrint full-page ad. The only GamerPrint ads we have on the site are background skins like we have now (which show on the right and left side of the site) and modified headers which are a simple image. Neither are intrusive or make the site any harder to navigate.

Progressive ads? Not sure what you mean by that. Evony ads - you mean the same half naked women ads there have been countless articles about because just about every major site has been hit by them? Big bright red ad that opened a secondary window? That certainly shouldn't be happening, no ads should be opening windows or covering headlines so if you can get a screen grab for this or in some way identify it (what is the ad advertising) then it can be removed. Also where are you based?

I'm just reporting al lthe things that have happened to me.  The Gamer Print full page thing happened for about 2 days.  Progressive is an insurance company and those thankfully stopped, though I do see their ads from time to time.  The Evony ads are still here, but when they first came around, they were popping up with extra windows that took over parts of the main page.

I guess next time it happens, I'll take a screenshot.

Also, one of the things I also remember is this 'Gamer XD' video file from I guess the Disney Channel.  Yesterday I believe I remember it redirecting me to a page with just that video on it, forcing me to click a button back to the main page.



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Kirameo said:
Foamer said:
ioi said:

I can never assure you 100% that every single ad we show will be totally free of adware or viruses

In that case I can assure you that my adblocker will be turned on 100% of the time.

In that case I can assure you that you will be blocked from the site 100% of the time.

 

Just as extreme as your comment.

Why is my comment extreme? I run a firewall and AV to prevent malware, and I won't be turning either of those off either. On a personal level, my own security is far more important to me than this site and if there's a potential for it to be compromised, I will take measures to prevent that. If that means I'm going to be blocked then so be it, although I'm unsure who gave you the authority to make such a statement.



BTSaga said:
you guys need to stop watching too much porn and blaming it on vgchartz

This, exactly. If there truely was a problem, I would have seen it. I use Windows Vista, with IE8, and Windows Firewall turned off. Yet I've never had most the problems that people have been citing. The only time I saw malware attempts was actually from specific threads, and given that there was a known issue with a malicious sig, and the thread loaded fine later, I feel safe saying that it was the sig that was the problem, not the ads.

To those who are whining about "I didn't agree to X" or "it's my right to use adblock on this site", sorry, you're wrong. As per the terms of use you had to agree to when you signed up for your account, you acknowledged that there may be changes to the terms, and that your continued use of the site indicates agreement with the new terms. And, that there may be a supplemental addition to the terms that supercedes the base terms of service. ioi, the site's owner, has stated that your use of the site is contingent on loading the ads. This alone supercedes the TOS, and by posting in this thread, you have acknowledged that you have read it, and by continuing to do so, agree to this added clause. If you disagree, then your recourse is to stop using the site. It's also seen in other things like credit cards- they could raise your interest for no real reason. But it's not the interest rate I agreed to when I signed up to the card. My continued use of the card, though, would indicate an acceptance of these new rates. (I've actually opted out of new TOS on some of my cards, and they closed them.) It's a similar thing to here.

Some people claim that site views are a way to make money; mind telling me how one can make money with those alone? They may be usable in influencing the price per view of an ad, but that's about it. I obviously don't know all the numbers for this site, so I'm going to use a set of numbers for example purposes only:

Say this site gets 10,000 views per day. But 40% of the userbase blocks ads. This makes the effective audience 6000 viewers. However, rising costs force the site to block access to anyone who blocks ads. Suddenly, the site viewership drops 25%, to 7500 per day. However, the percentage of people viewing ads is UP 25%. Thus, bandwidth costs are reduced by 25%, while at the same time, ad revenue is increased by 25%. Why would this be a bad thing for the site? It would allow us to do more features, expand the staff, and more things that I'm sure are being planned that I'm not privvy to.

That said, yes, I do have a few issues with some of the ads slowing down my computer, but I leave them as-is. I can easily write it off to this computer being 3+ years old, and the fact that Adobe Flash is a piece of shit. (I try to use as few Adobe products as possible because of their poor programming.) I would love to see the site use something else. But, all the flash eventually forces me to crash adobe, and thus renders part of the site unusable, mainly, the scripting parts. (I have to open a new tab to do things like add to my game collection, submit database stuff, alert mods, etc.) And at other times, the ads do prevent a page from completely loading, though I think that may've been an issue with the pop-over that are gone. (Thanks for getting rid of them, BTW. They were the same ad as loaded on the page itself.) However, I do not block ads, nor have I ever, because I know they are what keep the net going around. And I'll be honest- the self-rightous people on this site thinking it's their right to deny the site revenue, despite clearly being a violation of the TOS, is ridiculous. If it were my call, I'd just ban them, and implement the blocker myself. The fact that ioi has been entertaining their, frankly, BS, indicates that he's more tolerant than I.



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ioi said:

He just read the rest of the thread which I suggest you should do as well...

I have read it. I ain't turning my adblocker off unless you can guarantee your ads are clean. Simple as that. If it means I get banned or blocked then hey ho, off I go. As for this-

Just because we don't enforce the blocking of people who block ads it doesn't mean it is your right to do so. Read back a couple of pages, we've had this debate already. Just because you can go out and commit a crime it doesn't mean you have the right to. I'm TELLING you now that you don't have the right to block ads on VGChartz.

You're equating me enforcing my personal security online, (which I have the absolute right to do, regardless of what you may think) with committing a crime? Seriously?



Too many pages to read so sorry if this has already been discussed, but my main issue with ads in general is something that I know many of you longer term users like myself and I'm sure ioi is fully aware of; viruses.

Numerous times THIS site as well as others throughout the interwebz have given users viruses from the ads that are simply pushed through the site by whatever company is used for supplying the ads.

I have in the past been an active donater to this site when the paypal donate button was active, if it were active I'd use it annually.

I have also used the amazon widget to buy products because I knew this site gained funds from it.

But, I will not open my computer up to potentially being attacked by viruses from ads that I would never follow or care about anyways.



ioi said:
Hapimeses said:
Blardy blar...

All I can really go back to on this (and sorry if it offends you) is that there is a difference between ads that are malicious or causing a serious problem and ads that are merely inconvenient.

I use spotify and every 20 songs I have to wait 10s while they play an ad. I listen to commercial radio and the same thing there, they keep playing ads I have to listen through, same on TV, same when I read a magazine.

As I said, ads are an inconvenience and an annoyance by their very nature. You may dislike having to wait while an ad loads or being taken to a full page ad (which show once per user per 48 hours) but I'm afraid it is what you have to accept if you wish to use a website for free. You get the same thing on IGN or Gamespot, 1up or Gamrpro. They all use prestitial ads (as they are called) and actually use far more intrusive ads than we do. I've been looking into homepage takeover ads and other custom ads and we will be running some in the future. I know some people won't like them but you really need to accept them or we should go for the alternative option of offering paid membership for no ads as we've discussed.

I don't like having to wait in a queue for the bus, I don't like being told how fast I can drive, I don't like having to pay to renew my passport but that's life. You may not like to view ads but if you wish to visit large websites and use resources that need to be paid for then you need to accept the business model and get on with it.

No offense taken.

As I said, I have no problems with adverts, but I do have problems with adverts I must interact with. This site has many, many adverts. I already have to be inconvenienced by them (although, if correctly targetted at me, they are far less of an inconvenience). However, if you are telling me that I will also have to deal with pop-ups that crawl onto my screen and cover content, or, worse, take my entire screen and demand I interact with them, then I do have an issue, and I will leave. I have no issues with pop-ups covering existing banners and the like (Kotaku do this frequently, for example), but full-page pop-ups, or the crawling ones really, really annoy, especially if I have to interact with them.

Also, what other select sites do with their adverts does not impact my opinion. I only care about the sites I visit. If I have to interact with adverts to visit your site, I'll simply go elsewhere.

Yes, I know I'm only one man, and I'll be in a minority, but I wouldn't be leaving as a form of protest, I'd be doing it because your site would no longer appeal to me as it once did. The content may interest me here, but I have no desire to click through adverts to access it; and I certainly won't pay to access an advert free version of it. Yes, I'm interested, but I'm not that interested.



ioi said:
Foamer said:
ioi said:

He just read the rest of the thread which I suggest you should do as well...

I have read it. I ain't turning my adblocker off unless you can guarantee your ads are clean. Simple as that. If it means I get banned or blocked then hey ho, off I go. As for this-

Just because we don't enforce the blocking of people who block ads it doesn't mean it is your right to do so. Read back a couple of pages, we've had this debate already. Just because you can go out and commit a crime it doesn't mean you have the right to. I'm TELLING you now that you don't have the right to block ads on VGChartz.

You're equating me enforcing my personal security online, (which I have the absolute right to do, regardless of what you may think) with committing a crime? Seriously?

If you'd have read the thread you'd see there are three realistic options:

  1. Don't use VGChartz
  2. Use VGChartz and help fund the site by allowing ads to show
  3. Pay a monthly fee to turn ads off

I'm happy with those 3 options and that is how we should set things up to run. By using an adblocker on the site you using services without paying for them. Now that you aware of the situation and know the implications then yes, if you were to try to use an adblocker on the site rather than one of the 3 options above it would be analagous to committing a crime within the TOS of this site.

Do you plan to ban people who use AdBlocker in the future?



ioi said:

If you'd have read the thread you'd see there are three realistic options:

  1. Don't use VGChartz
  2. Use VGChartz and help fund the site by allowing ads to show
  3. Pay a monthly fee to turn ads off

I'm happy with those 3 options and that is how we should set things up to run. By using an adblocker on the site you using services without paying for them. Now that you aware of the situation and know the implications then yes, if you were to try to use an adblocker on the site rather than one of the 3 options above it would be analagous to committing a crime within the TOS of this site.

It'll be 1 then, and I'd imagine that'd apply to a lot of other people too. I can't see this ending well, the bad publicity you'd get alone should give you pause for thought.