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ethomaz on 24 October 2012

Michael-5 said:

Well, if Nintendo is selling a larger % of what it ships, does it matter if PS2 is outshipping the DS? I mean in Q1 (Jan-March), PS2 only shipped 600k. How many units did DS sell? DS is at what 1.9 million sold this year. If I assume PS2 shipped 75% as well as it did last year (which I think is a high estimate), that would put PS2 shipments at 2.7m for Jan-Sept (which includes the hard 600k Sony gave for Q1). If I assume it's doing 50% as well (which is very possible based off FYQ4 or Q1 figures), this put PS2 at 1.9 million shipped, or what DS has sold so far.

I think you're an excellent debater, and you have definatly shed some light on this for me, but I think it's still too early to be definintive that the DS won't surpass the PS2.

However it is possible that it won't, although I believe it will. I think for any debate on VGC this is a good conclusion.

DS only shipped 460k in Q1.

If it just one quarter... I think it's ok think like you were thinking now but it's quarter after quarter PS2 shipping more then DS.

A comparison for FY2011 / FY2012.

Quarter DS PS2
Q1 FY 2011 1.44 1.4
Q2 FY 2011  1.14 1.2
Q3 FY 2011 2.06 0.9
Q4 FY 2011 0.46 0.6
Q1 FY 2012 0.54 0.8-1.0
Q2 FY 2012 0.44 ?

DS is not selling that good because after the holidays (2.06m) Nintendo shipped just 500k per quarter... if DS is selling that good Nintendo was shipping way more...

PS2 is not selling this good too but except the Holiday quarter (the Q1 2011 too) it outship the DS in every quarter.



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ethomaz on 24 October 2012

The thinks not look good for DS in Europe... below Vita... PSP is kicking Vita.



phenom08 on 24 October 2012
ethomaz said:

The thinks not look good for DS in Europe... below Vita... PSP is kicking Vita.

PSP isn't the only platform kicking Vita. Wow trending along the lines of DS sales is horrible.



Michael-5 on 25 October 2012
ethomaz said:

Michael-5 said:

 What about Q1 2013 (April-June 2012), where did you get those figures?

That's the part the number become confuse... Sony merged PS3 and PS2... so they shipped 2.8m.... last year in the same quarter Sony shipped 1.4m PS2 and 1.8m PS3 and Sony said this year the sales of both are down... I don't know if it means units or revenue.

If units then PS3 shipped less than 1.8m putting PS2 over 1.0 million... If revenue then there are no way to split the sales. Looking at VGC shows if PS3 shipped more than 1.8 million then it is way undertracked.

So 1.8 million fits with VGC numbers then PS2 shipped 1m million... @kowen is using 2.0 shipped for PS3 for his tables (800k PS3)... I can agree with 800k PS2 shipped but less than 800k is unrealistic and puts PS3 over 2.1 million in the last quarter almost matching the best Q1 PS3 have in history (the first after Slim launch)  after PS3 not sell like the Slim launch this year... it's down.

DS shipped 540k in the same period and like I said is almost impossible the PS2 shipped less.

 

I see, and I also agree 800k-1m is a good number, it would be 57-70% as well as 2011.

How the heck have DS shipments crashed so hard? Just last year it sold close to 9 million, and the year before that 20 million.



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Michael-5 on 25 October 2012
ethomaz said:

Michael-5 said:

Well, if Nintendo is selling a larger % of what it ships, does it matter if PS2 is outshipping the DS? I mean in Q1 (Jan-March), PS2 only shipped 600k. How many units did DS sell? DS is at what 1.9 million sold this year. If I assume PS2 shipped 75% as well as it did last year (which I think is a high estimate), that would put PS2 shipments at 2.7m for Jan-Sept (which includes the hard 600k Sony gave for Q1). If I assume it's doing 50% as well (which is very possible based off FYQ4 or Q1 figures), this put PS2 at 1.9 million shipped, or what DS has sold so far.

I think you're an excellent debater, and you have definatly shed some light on this for me, but I think it's still too early to be definintive that the DS won't surpass the PS2.

However it is possible that it won't, although I believe it will. I think for any debate on VGC this is a good conclusion.

DS only shipped 460k in Q1.

If it just one quarter... I think it's ok think like you were thinking now but it's quarter after quarter PS2 shipping more then DS.

A comparison for FY2011 / FY2012.

Quarter DS PS2
Q1 FY 2011 1.44 1.4
Q2 FY 2011  1.14 1.2
Q3 FY 2011 2.06 0.9
Q4 FY 2011 0.46 0.6
Q1 FY 2012 0.54 0.8-1.0
Q2 FY 2012 0.44 ?

DS is not selling that good because after the holidays (2.06m) Nintendo shipped just 500k per quarter... if DS is selling that good Nintendo was shipping way more...

PS2 is not selling this good too but except the Holiday quarter (the Q1 2011 too) it outship the DS in every quarter.

So maybe your right then. I didn't realize DS sales have crashed so hard lately. I still find it hard to believe that PS2 is selling/shipping this well over 10 years after its release, but you did make a good point.

I still think DS has a chance at passing PS2. I just feel DS is selling a larger portion of its shipped figure. Still.....

Guess 3DS will have to take top spot, it's outpacing the DS so far.



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phenom08 on 25 October 2012
Michael-5 said:
ethomaz said:

Michael-5 said:

 What about Q1 2013 (April-June 2012), where did you get those figures?

That's the part the number become confuse... Sony merged PS3 and PS2... so they shipped 2.8m.... last year in the same quarter Sony shipped 1.4m PS2 and 1.8m PS3 and Sony said this year the sales of both are down... I don't know if it means units or revenue.

If units then PS3 shipped less than 1.8m putting PS2 over 1.0 million... If revenue then there are no way to split the sales. Looking at VGC shows if PS3 shipped more than 1.8 million then it is way undertracked.

So 1.8 million fits with VGC numbers then PS2 shipped 1m million... @kowen is using 2.0 shipped for PS3 for his tables (800k PS3)... I can agree with 800k PS2 shipped but less than 800k is unrealistic and puts PS3 over 2.1 million in the last quarter almost matching the best Q1 PS3 have in history (the first after Slim launch)  after PS3 not sell like the Slim launch this year... it's down.

DS shipped 540k in the same period and like I said is almost impossible the PS2 shipped less.

 

I see, and I also agree 800k-1m is a good number, it would be 57-70% as well as 2011.

How the heck have DS shipments crashed so hard? Just last year it sold close to 9 million, and the year before that 20 million.

It has a proper successor and Ninty doesn't care about breaking some record they probably don't even pay attention to. Selling 150m more than once is what they are concerned with, not only pulling it off once.



ethomaz on 25 October 2012

Michael-5 said:

Guess 3DS will have to take top spot, it's outpacing the DS so far.

3DS shipment is even better than DS in the same timeframe.

3DS is doing AMAZING.



phenom08 on 25 October 2012
Michael-5 said:

So maybe your right then. I didn't realize DS sales have crashed so hard lately. I still find it hard to believe that PS2 is selling/shipping this well over 10 years after its release, but you did make a good point.

I still think DS has a chance at passing PS2. I just feel DS is selling a larger portion of its shipped figure. Still.....

Guess 3DS will have to take top spot, it's outpacing the DS so far.

DS can't pull it off, Sony sells to more markets and Ninty isn't concerned with passing the PS2. Just concerned with killing Sony's future plats. On the handheld side its working. We will find out if it worked on the home console side when the PS4 releases.



Michael-5 on 25 October 2012
ethomaz said:

Michael-5 said:

 Guess 3DS will have to take top spot, it's outpacing the DS so far.

3DS shipment is even better than DS in the same timeframe.

3DS is doing AMAZING.

Yea, but this doesn't garentee that the 3DS will even top the DS.

Wii outperformed the PS2 consistantly for what, 5 years? Now Wii sales are dying and PS2 was selling 13 million at the same point in it's life.

For all we know 3DS could live a short life. GBA far outperformed the GB, and reached 80 million sales in a franction of the time, but was discontinued after only 3 years, despite a very strong software lineup.

 

BTW, I just noticed that VGC sales for PS2 are only marginally above shipped valuesr (153.6 is the shipment as of September 30th, 153.68 is VGC's figure).

For my Q3 Update I will use the shipped value of 153.6 million, add 1.5m for FY2011-Q3&4, use 0.8m for FY2012Q1, 0.7m for FY2012Q2, but subtract 1 million as the difference from sold/shipped. So I will basically put PS2 at 155.6 million. I'll have to calculate how that 2.0 million gain in the year spreads over Europe and USA and adapt VGC regional sales to reflect that, but you have convinced me that PS2 is performing well.

 

But I do hope that DS tops PS2.



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Michael-5 on 25 October 2012
phenom08 said:
Michael-5 said:
 

So maybe your right then. I didn't realize DS sales have crashed so hard lately. I still find it hard to believe that PS2 is selling/shipping this well over 10 years after its release, but you did make a good point.

I still think DS has a chance at passing PS2. I just feel DS is selling a larger portion of its shipped figure. Still.....

Guess 3DS will have to take top spot, it's outpacing the DS so far.

DS can't pull it off, Sony sells to more markets and Ninty isn't concerned with passing the PS2. Just concerned with killing Sony's future plats. On the handheld side its working. We will find out if it worked on the home console side when the PS4 releases.

Maybe. Nintendo cut GBA's life real short because of the PSP, and really hurt Sony's PSV with the hefty price drop on 3DS units. If Nintendo can eliminate Sony from the hand-held market (which might happen if Monster Hunter stays Nintendo, and Square Enix stops supporting Sony handhelds), then the 3DS successor will rake in A LOT of sales.



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