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Now that ME2 has settled around a 96 on meta, do you think it will be GOTY?

Definitely 70 23.89%
 
Maybe 140 47.78%
 
Unsure 21 7.17%
 
Not likely 45 15.36%
 
No, thats impossible 17 5.80%
 
Total:293
themanwithnoname on 04 February 2010
Carl2291 said:
selnor said:
huaxiong90 said:
selnor said:
CGI-Quality said:
nightsurge said:
CGI-Quality said:
huaxiong90 said:
selnor said:
The chance of 2 games in 1 year scoring 96+ on metacritic is very low. Based on pure reviews across the board it should walk away with more than Halo 3's 149 GOTY's. Who knows. It deserves it. It is the toughest year yet for releases. 2007 was quite tough. 2008 wasnt to bad. 2009 was a poor year for games in terms of potential GOTY. But 2010 has loads of games that could get GOTY. Whether any of the games get above a 96 meta is a small chance. We shall see I guess.

If you're taking the PS3 or Wii or 360 into account...you can't be further from the truth.

Fixed.

Fixed again.

I thought all 3 had horrible years comparative to past years.  So I guess if you want to believe one still had a good year, then they all still did

Nah, that was the PS3's best year yet. Sure, 2008 saw MGS4, Valkyria Chronicles & LBP but it didn't have the likes of:

- Flower

- Uncharted 2

- Killzone 2

- inFAMOUS

- Demon's Souls

Among other things. To me, it was 360's worst and not because the 360 is bad, it just couldn't compete with 2008, and certainly not the Godly 'Year of the Xbox 360': 2007!

I think you missed my point. I wasnt saying there werent good games. Just not a great year for what is considered GOTY contenders.

Certainly wouldn't ever include: Flower, Infamous and Demon's Souls as a GOTY contender. U2 and Killzone 2 were alot better games.

Umm...why is Demon's Souls NOT GOTY material?

Basically this is not about personal opinion. This is about what websites and the like are going to give GOTY.

Firstly I would never expect any game that gets below 90 on meta to be crowned GOTY.

Demon Souls got 89. Thats a good score. But not GOTY potential. How many GOTY games do you know that have metaed lower than 90?

Flower got 87 and Infamous 85. These are not GOTY contenders. Good games but nowhere near contenders. If they are classed as contenders, then my point stands. A poor year for GOTY contenders.

This year is likely to se 7 or 8 games all contending with 90-92+ on meta.

Just need to ask you something.

What was GameSpot's Game of the Year from 2009? Beating out Uncharted 2, Modern Warfare 2, Forza 3, Batman: AA, Killzone 2 etc.?
Also, Fable II won X-play's GOTY 2008 over MGS 4, GTA IV, Gears 2, and Fallout 3, and it's at 89 on Meta as well.


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CommonMan on 04 February 2010

I went with I don't think. It is my favorite game this gen, so of course I want it to, but there are some major problems confronting it:

1. The recency effect is a very real, very powerful phenomenon that has been proven both empirically and anecdotally every year at the Oscars.

2. Strong, strong (times a thousand) competition.

3. No matter what detractors want to say, it IS an RPG, and RPG's don't get as many of the big sites GOTY awards.

So in regards to "Will it have the most GOTY awards"? no, that will probably go to (sigh) GoW3 or Zelda Wii or something we haven't even seen yet. It may get 1 or 2 at most.



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huaxiong90 on 04 February 2010
themanwithnoname said:
Carl2291 said:
selnor said:
huaxiong90 said:
selnor said:
CGI-Quality said:
nightsurge said:
CGI-Quality said:
huaxiong90 said:
selnor said:
The chance of 2 games in 1 year scoring 96+ on metacritic is very low. Based on pure reviews across the board it should walk away with more than Halo 3's 149 GOTY's. Who knows. It deserves it. It is the toughest year yet for releases. 2007 was quite tough. 2008 wasnt to bad. 2009 was a poor year for games in terms of potential GOTY. But 2010 has loads of games that could get GOTY. Whether any of the games get above a 96 meta is a small chance. We shall see I guess.

If you're taking the PS3 or Wii or 360 into account...you can't be further from the truth.

Fixed.

Fixed again.

I thought all 3 had horrible years comparative to past years.  So I guess if you want to believe one still had a good year, then they all still did

Nah, that was the PS3's best year yet. Sure, 2008 saw MGS4, Valkyria Chronicles & LBP but it didn't have the likes of:

- Flower

- Uncharted 2

- Killzone 2

- inFAMOUS

- Demon's Souls

Among other things. To me, it was 360's worst and not because the 360 is bad, it just couldn't compete with 2008, and certainly not the Godly 'Year of the Xbox 360': 2007!

I think you missed my point. I wasnt saying there werent good games. Just not a great year for what is considered GOTY contenders.

Certainly wouldn't ever include: Flower, Infamous and Demon's Souls as a GOTY contender. U2 and Killzone 2 were alot better games.

Umm...why is Demon's Souls NOT GOTY material?

Basically this is not about personal opinion. This is about what websites and the like are going to give GOTY.

Firstly I would never expect any game that gets below 90 on meta to be crowned GOTY.

Demon Souls got 89. Thats a good score. But not GOTY potential. How many GOTY games do you know that have metaed lower than 90?

Flower got 87 and Infamous 85. These are not GOTY contenders. Good games but nowhere near contenders. If they are classed as contenders, then my point stands. A poor year for GOTY contenders.

This year is likely to se 7 or 8 games all contending with 90-92+ on meta.

Just need to ask you something.

What was GameSpot's Game of the Year from 2009? Beating out Uncharted 2, Modern Warfare 2, Forza 3, Batman: AA, Killzone 2 etc.?
Also, Fable II won X-play's GOTY 2008 over MGS 4, GTA IV, Gears 2, and Fallout 3, and it's at 89 on Meta as well.

Ahh, yes. I forgot about that.



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Recon1O1 on 04 February 2010

huaxiong90: "To be honest, I don't recall a single FF game get a GOTY award. And I seriously doubt it's going to sway Western reviewers over Mass Effect 2."

I hear that. FF XIII and Bioshock 2 might be the weaker contenders in that list. Must be a good year coming if they, Wake and Rain are just not in contention. I added SMG2 which will win a few and outsell them all. To be fair some complaints came from Japanese fans and sites early on. FF will take any jrpg awards (WKC?) and a few that just use one category for both. JMHO.



Vashyo on 04 February 2010

I wish it would be GOTY, I loved it.

Though there's lot of potentially great games coming this year.



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Strategyking92 on 04 February 2010
MrBubbles said:
game is kick ass but its a little early to be thinking about that

I agree. But put a something in front of me that lists potential candidates and I would probably say ME2 right now. Bioshock 2 is going to rock, but it's not Mass Effect. Not to mention the multiplayer is experimental.. We won't see ho that works out until it releases.



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Carl on 04 February 2010
themanwithnoname said:
Carl2291 said:
selnor said:
huaxiong90 said:
selnor said:
CGI-Quality said:
nightsurge said:
CGI-Quality said:
huaxiong90 said:
selnor said:
The chance of 2 games in 1 year scoring 96+ on metacritic is very low. Based on pure reviews across the board it should walk away with more than Halo 3's 149 GOTY's. Who knows. It deserves it. It is the toughest year yet for releases. 2007 was quite tough. 2008 wasnt to bad. 2009 was a poor year for games in terms of potential GOTY. But 2010 has loads of games that could get GOTY. Whether any of the games get above a 96 meta is a small chance. We shall see I guess.

If you're taking the PS3 or Wii or 360 into account...you can't be further from the truth.

Fixed.

Fixed again.

I thought all 3 had horrible years comparative to past years.  So I guess if you want to believe one still had a good year, then they all still did

Nah, that was the PS3's best year yet. Sure, 2008 saw MGS4, Valkyria Chronicles & LBP but it didn't have the likes of:

- Flower

- Uncharted 2

- Killzone 2

- inFAMOUS

- Demon's Souls

Among other things. To me, it was 360's worst and not because the 360 is bad, it just couldn't compete with 2008, and certainly not the Godly 'Year of the Xbox 360': 2007!

I think you missed my point. I wasnt saying there werent good games. Just not a great year for what is considered GOTY contenders.

Certainly wouldn't ever include: Flower, Infamous and Demon's Souls as a GOTY contender. U2 and Killzone 2 were alot better games.

Umm...why is Demon's Souls NOT GOTY material?

Basically this is not about personal opinion. This is about what websites and the like are going to give GOTY.

Firstly I would never expect any game that gets below 90 on meta to be crowned GOTY.

Demon Souls got 89. Thats a good score. But not GOTY potential. How many GOTY games do you know that have metaed lower than 90?

Flower got 87 and Infamous 85. These are not GOTY contenders. Good games but nowhere near contenders. If they are classed as contenders, then my point stands. A poor year for GOTY contenders.

This year is likely to se 7 or 8 games all contending with 90-92+ on meta.

Just need to ask you something.

What was GameSpot's Game of the Year from 2009? Beating out Uncharted 2, Modern Warfare 2, Forza 3, Batman: AA, Killzone 2 etc.?
Also, Fable II won X-play's GOTY 2008 over MGS 4, GTA IV, Gears 2, and Fallout 3, and it's at 89 on Meta as well.

More proof to what i was saying, thanks

I also think Fable 2 won Kotaku's GotY... Not sure though.



                            

selnor on 04 February 2010
CGI-Quality said:
selnor said:
CGI-Quality said:
selnor said:
CGI-Quality said:
coolbeans said:
CGI-Quality said:
selnor said:
Twistedpixel said:

Mass Effect 2 is a strong contender, however with so many games delayed into 2010 we've got so much competition. Arguably last year was soft in comparison to 2008 and 2010 (expected) on every platform.

Just the GOTY contenders I know:

  • Mass Effect 2
  • Splinter Cell: Conviction
  • Halo: Reach
  • Battlefield Bad Company 2 (slim chance but possible)
  • Heavy Rain ( To many low reviews already to be in the running for GOTY )
  • Gran Turismo 5
  • Last Guardian
  • Half Life Ep 3 (if releases) (They wont give an expansion GOTY )
  • God of War 3
  • Zelda?
  • Metroid: Other M
  • Alan Wake
  • Fable 3

 


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Again with this foolishness selnor? Do me a favor, show me these 'low reviews' and you might be on to something.

While they're not low (1-5) review scores, there's been a 6 and a few 7's given to it by French sites (I believe n4g has some of them alotted there).  One thing to note is ME:2 isn't impervious of 7's from there either.

It has one 7.5 and a 6 that won't even be counted, it's from a non-credible sorce. Therefore, the majority of it's reviews have been quite good. I'm not saying it will be a GOTY candidate, it won't. But selnor likes to blow smoke, and he's not speaking with any solid proof.

Remember, I have the Official Thread with reviews. It got one 16/20: 7.5 and a 6/10 which isn't counted notr credible.

Firstly I'm not blowing smoke. I say low, as in impressions. Gamersydes review was quite upbeat, but also equally issue laden. A review like that would normally get put on Meta at 7/10 or 70 I should say. It's not fair if no score is given but it happens to all games.

Heavy Rain will score high 70's low 80's meta. Thats it's target. For a game to score high 80's or 90's it has to start off on meta at about 94 or 95. They usually drop 2 or 3. Look at ME2. It was 99 and 98 for ages at the start. Now it settled at 96. The lower it starts the more they drop. say 90 will likely drop to 82. It just happens all of the time. So far Heavy Rain has 2 reviews and starts at 90.3. So like I said it will finish high 70's low 80's. I predict 83. It wont be GOTY material.

It's not blowing smoke, it's being realistic. Quote me for sure. I always watch meta. And the fall in scores is almost to scarily easy to predict.

Heavy Rain metacritic will settle on 83.

You still have provided no proof to your argument, it's just more of the same, speculation. What you think will/won't happen on Meta doesn't show how these 'low reviews' are real. So now it's impressions, rather than soild reviews? I'm sorry bud, you're showing your true colors more and more, it's really a shame too.

End of the day, HEAVY RAIN will not be a GOTY candidate, I've said this time and time again. But to make such claims and then not have any proof IS blowing smoke. I know you're happy for Mass Effect 2, as am I. But you have a habit of trying to make PS3 games look bad to suit your argument, and this is one of those times.

I didnt post the low reviews because you have already dismissed them. Using pure knowledge of how games perform on Meta from the past show that Heavy Rain will settle around 83. IT's a very easy formula to see when viewing Meta scores from the first few to the last.

Um, what? You either have the proof, or you don't. It's that simple.

Allow me: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=86332

In that thread, there's 11 reviews of 13 that have been sent out, two have been confirmed to not be credible, and thus haven't been counted. One 7.5, the rest 80-100. Now, where are these 'low review(s)' you speak of, that are credible?

 

Perhaps I use wrong words by low. What I mean is not GOTY scores. You have the reviews in the link. Considering my point was Heavy Rain will not win the GOTY battle, nor is in the running is a valid statement. Based on the reviews we have available, I definately without a shadow of a doubt say this will score around 83. The whole point was Heavy Rain can no longer be considered to win GOTY for 2010. It doesn't take alot of investigation to know that. The reviews are in the link you kindly post.



MontanaHatchet on 04 February 2010
kowenicki said:
MontanaHatchet said:
kowenicki said:
bobobologna said:
Maybe. We should have this conversation when, you know, more than 5 games have been released this year.


we know what coming... what has a chance of beating it?  only a handful of games at the most.

Do you really think the market is that predictable and boring? I don't think anyone would have thought Arkham Asylum would be a GOTY contender back in early 2009, but it ended up being a spectacular game and a major contender. Just wait.


yeah... you are right as always.... "no not likely" and "thats impossible" are perfectly reasonable answers.  interesting that those voters didnt post.

You're snarky and passive aggressive as always.

Honestly, if one really believes that many of the other big games this year will rival this game in quality, it's not that hard to believe. While Mass Effect 2 is great now, it will be difficult for it to retain that hype for the rest of the year and still be highly relevant at the end of the year amidst the likes of Halo: Reach, Splinter Cell, or whatever other contenders come about.



 

 

Pho_Hybrid on 04 February 2010

probably, but we have to see how other games this year perform