You're fucking old dude, lol, early 2000s isn't "recent" ... that's "old" by modern movie going trends. Pre-2009 IS OLD. The Hollywood business model has changed a lot even from then. You keep bringing up examples from like 12-15 years ago. That's a long time ago.

The fact of the matter is most 80s/90s reboots that aren't Disney live action or Jurassic Park have flopped the last 7-8 years.

Captain Marvel, Creed, Get Out, hell even the new Avengers film, and many other films have very clear "woke" messaging and they've all done big box office. I mean shit, Avatar is clear woke messaging. 

Films like Terminator and Charlie's Angels and RAMBO fail because they're tired concepts in this day and age. Who but late 30s-50 year olds would really even get excited about seeing these characters?

The movie business of 2019/2020 is not the same as 2008 either, you seem to have difficulty grasping this. There's only like 5 film properties consistently making large amounts of money anymore (Marvel/DC, Star Wars, Fast & Furious, Jurassic Park, general horror films). 

Well, duh.  Of course everyone knows Hollywood is woke.  And no, it wasn't always.  In the beginning it was more balanced, but became more left-leaning as those types started gatekeeping the business.  Still, even the left-leaning people could make enjoyable films everyone could enjoy.  Now, they are so obvious with their woke messages, either because they believe them or just think younger adults do, it turns people on the right off.  Hell, even turn some of the left off, as well, since they are ruining beloved franchises.  Pretty bad when you have someone like Angry Joe, who cried when Hillary lost, calling Terminator out on it trying to get woke points, but killing the franchise in the process.

Around 15 years is not old as fuck.  And sorry to break it to you, and maybe Hollywood might learn, those woke kids 15-24 aren't going to the movies like they think they are.  Not like the 25-45 year olds are.  And they don't want woke politics fucking up their favorite franchises.  Even a lot who are left-leaning.

It doesn't really matter.  In the end, these are all just poor excuses.  I mean you talk about the kids not liking older actors, but we both know that's utter BS.  The Marvel films are huge successes.  And the last Avengers, the average age of the actors for the superheroes has to be 45+.  One of the bigger action stars now is The Rock, and he's pushing 50.  We'll have Bruce Willis in a new Die Hard, and he'll be 64.  It also doesn't change the fact that the majority watching those films were 25+.

Here's the problem in your logic.  Genisys did much better than Dark Fate just 3 years ago.  It actually matched T3.  And performed better than Salvation.  So, if they were all bad, why did Genisys go back up?  If Dark Fate is actually as good as you claim it is, why didn't it continue the climb?  Or at least match it?

The fact is, this film was more poorly received than Genisys, regardless of what critics would have you believe.  China liked Genisys.  So much, in fact, that it barely dropped in its 2nd weekend there.  It went on to make $105M+ there.  DF could only muster half of that.  And DF actually opened $2M+ higher in China.  They just didn't like what they saw.

Considering Genisys actually made them a little bit of money, they would have had a better shot at success carrying on with that story line.  Instead they scrapped it for this woke garbage fire, and it flopped hard.  Costing them $125M-$150M.

Yeah I hate to break it to you but George Lucas, Steven Spielberg, James Cameron, ARE LIBERAL. They ARE WOKE. So unless you're talking about 1940s Hollywood, lol, yes Hollywood has always been left leaning and woke. Since pretty much the 60s/70s onwards.

Genisys was DOG SHIT, hahaha, lol, it doesn't surprise me if that was some kid's first introduction to the Terminator franchise that they'd never want to watch another again either. I wouldn't.

Arnold is too damn old looking to carry an action movie anymore, yes he looks great for a 70 year old, but he still looks old. He's not believable as an imposing threat (good or bad) any longer.

15 years is old as fuck. A person who was 21 years old, 15 years ago today is 36 and probably has kids and a spouse. They can't go to a fucking movie theater every weekend like they're 22, and when they do it's usually so the dumb kids get to watch the new CGI kids movie, not Terminator. That's called life, it happens to everyone. 

That's the other thing, I mean pretty much all of my friends go see Terminator movies when we were younger, but now that many of them are married and with young kids ... that ain't happening. I'm a little younger and just newly married so I have some time, but these days the only movies that they get out to see with me is like the big ticket Avengers movies and we'll try to see the new Star Wars I guess, but even that is gonna be tough for some people. 

My friends we'd always see these new franchise instalments every week, opening Friday and then go off to Denny's until 2-3 AM. Saturday was for going out/clubbing. That shit doesn't happen at all anymore, lol. 

Movie business relies on people in the 16-29 year old demo, once you get older than that a thing called "reality" sets in. 

Boy, you really are desperate to have a point, aren't you?  Doesn't fit your narrative, too old/cherry pick.  If the film's a success, it's clearly woke because it has a black and/or woman in it.  Just desperate.

I'll just leave you to your lack of an argument, while I laugh as more of these woke films flop.  Good day.

Films will continue to flop because no one wants to see old ass 70s/80s/90s franchises especially those starring 70 year olds. 

Did you when you were 14 years old pine for franchises from the 1960s starring Marlon Brando or Warren Beatty? I'm guessing probably not. 

You just don't realize that this is happening again because you think the world revolves around your personal tastes. 

The movie business has also clearly changed to the point where nothing makes money aside from like 6 different franchises/genre types. There's rarely any action, comedy, romance, drama hits any more period. The fact is most of these franchise reboots from the 70s/80s/90s of the last 7-8 years especially have flopped. It's not just like a case of one or two. 

Alien Covenant had "woke" politics too? Rambo too? Men In Black also? Indepdence Day 2 as well? Robocop as well? The Predator too? Total Recall? Blade Runner? Like all of these recent remakes are "woke"? Gimme a fucking break. 

Cherry picking and strawman arguments are all you guys have left, huh?  You obviously didn't read, or maybe couldn't comprehend what I said, even though I laid it out quite simply for you.  I won't try to explain it, again, as I'm kinda getting bored.  I will look forward to the next woke masterpiece and the excuses as to why its wokeness is not why it flopped.

By the way, 61% of the audience was 25 years or older at Endgame opening weekend.  So, no, the younger woke crowd are not Hollywood's bread and butter.  They may try to appease them by virtue signalling, but it is proven over and over that those aren't the ones filling up the seats, no matter how hard they wish to believe it is.  And once those kids get closer to 30, quite a few of them get red pilled when they are struck by reality.

64% of the movie going public in the US is 39 or younger. Latinos represent the highest movie going population group followed by Asians. These demographics likely skew even younger in markets like China:

https://www.mekkographics.com/american-moviegoers-by-age-and-ethnicity/

You're not a "kid" when you're 30 by the way. You need to grow the fuck up by that age. 

By your mid/late 30s most people have kids, you can't go to the movies in the same way anymore, everything revolves around the baby's schedule. That's life. Avengers is a film I could get a lot of my friends to see, but every week? Ant-Man even? No way. 

Its like you...deliberately only read half of posts lol.

Ad Astra and Ford V Ferrari are both better than Frozen 2...which do you think is going to make more money? What a straw man argument.

Well I'll just say that the trailer looked so obnoxious that I decided I would watch only it didn't cost me more than my streaming subscription.

I'm 34 and my friend 27 we both loved Rambo and Creed latest entries.