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fatslob-:O said:
Pemalite said:

Being green is far from being political. It only becomes political when people make it political.

Everyone should strive to be greener.

Sony has gotten political! 

I liked it better when politics didn't interfere with their business like it does now and to say otherwise would be blind to the reality since they are following just about every progressive political trends there is out there ... 

Sometimes it is pragmatic to be 'green' but that doesn't mean you shouldn't pretend that there is no political movement behind it because not everything that it promotes is always in the name of pragmatism ... 

Being green is neither political, nor progressive... And even if it was, who gives a fuck? Go with the science not the political bullshit.
Being green is a responsibility that everyone should burden, we all live on this planet.

Is there a political force that drives it? Maybe. But Science supports it empirically, so lets stop with the bullshit and stop with the political games and get behind it.

It's only political because people make it political, doesn't change the fact that climate change is happening whether we like it or not, whether you are right wing, centrist or left wing is thus ultimately irrelevant, many nations recognize the science and have bi-partisan support from both the left and the right.

HoloDust said:
If that's in idle, then ok, that's reasonable, though given how miniscule that is compared to full load, honestly WGAF.

What I'd like from Sony and MS is they go back to at least 7th gen power consupmtion, 170-200W at full load and focus on performance.

They might have an even lower TDP cap. It will be interesting to see at either rate.

S.Peelman said:
If they want to be eco friendly, they should make their stuff from something other than plastics.

Power consumption of a console is a drop in the pond, that will make no difference whatsoever.

Plastics or Polymers can be made bio-degradable and can be made from renewable sources, plastic itself isn't the issue, it's where the plastic is sourced from and how long it lasts in the general environment that gets contentious... Plus Plastic can be made with relatively low amounts of energy verses say... Aluminum, so can theoretically be less carbon intensive.



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Pemalite said:
fatslob-:O said:

Sony has gotten political! 

I liked it better when politics didn't interfere with their business like it does now and to say otherwise would be blind to the reality since they are following just about every progressive political trends there is out there ... 

Sometimes it is pragmatic to be 'green' but that doesn't mean you shouldn't pretend that there is no political movement behind it because not everything that it promotes is always in the name of pragmatism ... 

Being green is neither political, nor progressive... And even if it was, who gives a fuck? Go with the science not the political bullshit.
Being green is a responsibility that everyone should burden, we all live on this planet.

Is there a political force that drives it? Maybe. But Science supports it empirically, so lets stop with the bullshit and stop with the political games and get behind it.

It's only political because people make it political, doesn't change the fact that climate change is happening whether we like it or not, whether you are right wing, centrist or left wing is thus ultimately irrelevant, many nations recognize the science and have bi-partisan support from both the left and the right.

HoloDust said:
If that's in idle, then ok, that's reasonable, though given how miniscule that is compared to full load, honestly WGAF.

What I'd like from Sony and MS is they go back to at least 7th gen power consupmtion, 170-200W at full load and focus on performance.

They might have an even lower TDP cap. It will be interesting to see at either rate.

S.Peelman said:
If they want to be eco friendly, they should make their stuff from something other than plastics.

Power consumption of a console is a drop in the pond, that will make no difference whatsoever.

Plastics or Polymers can be made bio-degradable and can be made from renewable sources, plastic itself isn't the issue, it's where the plastic is sourced from and how long it lasts in the general environment that gets contentious... Plus Plastic can be made with relatively low amounts of energy verses say... Aluminum, so can theoretically be less carbon intensive.

The problem usually doesn't come from "let's protect the environment" but what they propose to achieve it and the lack of view on how that can also harm others.

Just like Greta on a very tall horse talking about her dreams being lost, while being child of very rich people, and being able to see CO2 molecules seem very ridiculous when put in context of child that live in famine, war torn areas, etc those child are the ones that really have their dreams stolen.

So yes I'm all in on reduce/reuse/recycle and the company I work for is always looking to improve on it. I approve Sony trying to use less resources to make the console and that it consume less energy (both can even benefit performance and price). But on putting the message on their games, it will always be a case of it fits, looks preachy or shoehorned. Like said Captain Planet was a great show single minded on the subject but other show that have nothing to do with environment protection putting lecture about it would just get in the way of the entertainment.



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Pemalite said:

Being green is neither political, nor progressive... And even if it was, who gives a fuck? Go with the science not the political bullshit.
Being green is a responsibility that everyone should burden, we all live on this planet.

Science doesn't give us solutions, it only gives us answers ... 

Pemalite said:

Is there a political force that drives it? Maybe. But Science supports it empirically, so lets stop with the bullshit and stop with the political games and get behind it.

I am not denying the science behind it ...

Pemalite said:


It's only political because people make it political, doesn't change the fact that climate change is happening whether we like it or not, whether you are right wing, centrist or left wing is thus ultimately irrelevant, many nations recognize the science and have bi-partisan support from both the left and the right.

Just because the science behind it is good doesn't mean that the political ideology is noble in it's endeavor. Nazi's were almost on to something with eugenics but that didn't make any of their actions 'right' in a humanitarian sense ... 

It's political because people want to make non-political subjects such as science become political as well ...

That is why solely being right in the technical sense isn't good enough to subscribe to a political ideology since we can't guarantee that the people behind them won't twist that into their own perverted benefit ... 

Brainwashing people with facts is still brainwashing people regardless at the end of the day ... 



fatslob-:O said:
Pemalite said:

Being green is neither political, nor progressive... And even if it was, who gives a fuck? Go with the science not the political bullshit.
Being green is a responsibility that everyone should burden, we all live on this planet.

Science doesn't give us solutions, it only gives us answers ... 

Pemalite said:

Is there a political force that drives it? Maybe. But Science supports it empirically, so lets stop with the bullshit and stop with the political games and get behind it.

I am not denying the science behind it ...

Pemalite said:


It's only political because people make it political, doesn't change the fact that climate change is happening whether we like it or not, whether you are right wing, centrist or left wing is thus ultimately irrelevant, many nations recognize the science and have bi-partisan support from both the left and the right.

Just because the science behind it is good doesn't mean that the political ideology is noble in it's endeavor. Nazi's were almost on to something with eugenics but that didn't make any of their actions 'right' in a humanitarian sense ... 

It's political because people want to make non-political subjects such as science become political as well ...

That is why solely being right in the technical sense isn't good enough to subscribe to a political ideology since we can't guarantee that the people behind them won't twist that into their own perverted benefit ... 

Brainwashing people with facts is still brainwashing people regardless at the end of the day ... 

You use a lot of words, but what is ultimately your point? That sustainability isn't right or wrong, but it depends on the politics behind it? Ergo, doing good things for the environment is bad when bad people benefit from it? Honest question because I'm curious to your line of thinking.



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Chrizum said:

You use a lot of words, but what is ultimately your point? That sustainability isn't right or wrong, but it depends on the politics behind it? Ergo, doing good things for the environment is bad when bad people benefit from it? Honest question because I'm curious to your line of thinking.

People with good intentions does not mean that they can't be perverted by bad actions ... 

Doing good things for the environment doesn't mean it can't hurt human welfare in the process ... 



fatslob-:O said:
Chrizum said:

You use a lot of words, but what is ultimately your point? That sustainability isn't right or wrong, but it depends on the politics behind it? Ergo, doing good things for the environment is bad when bad people benefit from it? Honest question because I'm curious to your line of thinking.

People with good intentions does not mean that they can't be perverted by bad actions ... 

Doing good things for the environment doesn't mean it can't hurt human welfare in the process ... 

How does making a greener and more sustainable console hurt human welfare? How is it being perverted by bad actions? Why is this a shitty direction for Sony to take? Give us your opinion on the matter without vague statements, please. Tell us what you think.



Pemalite said:
Random_Matt said:
My PC certainly isn't very green

The technology it employs certainly helps though.

I.E. PC CPU's and GPU's don't run at their highest clocks and voltages 24/7, sometimes not even while gaming.

Sure, but X299 can consume more than a whole mainstream platform, I'll create an adaptive OC profile when I can be bothered.



Chrizum said:

How does making a greener and more sustainable console hurt human welfare? How is it being perverted by bad actions? Why is this a shitty direction for Sony to take? Give us your opinion on the matter without vague statements, please. Tell us what you think.

Because Sony is doing this to brainwash their customers into following a progressive political movement ... 

I'm not just rattled by Sony going green but waging an ideological war is fucking stupidity on their part and they should be ashamed of this because an entity of their size wields so much influence that they'll get people to follow them for the wrong reasons ... 



fatslob-:O said:
Chrizum said:

How does making a greener and more sustainable console hurt human welfare? How is it being perverted by bad actions? Why is this a shitty direction for Sony to take? Give us your opinion on the matter without vague statements, please. Tell us what you think.

Because Sony is doing this to brainwash their customers into following a progressive political movement ... 

I'm not just rattled by Sony going green but waging an ideological war is fucking stupidity on their part and they should be ashamed of this because an entity of their size wields so much influence that they'll get people to follow them for the wrong reasons ... 

Ugh this argument again... So if "going green" was something conservatives promote instead of progressives, it'd all be good? The political affiliation of someone is more important than the actual argument that's being presented? "Liberals bad! Conservatives good!"

My God, why can't you people see that protecting our planet should have nothing to do with politics? This "us vs them" mentality is fucking up everything. Just because a "liberal" is saying something, a "conservative" is automatically against it and vice versa, instead of judging an argument by its own merit. Polarization like this is why the US has become such a cesspool. It's literally tearing apart the country. It's so fucking stupid.

People are so narrow minded and let themselves be divided making them unable to see what's really important. That is the real danger and you are falling for it. Truly not meant to be condescending, I just really feel sorry for you. Sorry for the rant but this really gets to me.