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NYT : "Trump Jr. Was Told in Email of Russian Effort to Aid Campaign"

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Collusion?

yes 116 50.43%
 
no 22 9.57%
 
too early to tell? 35 15.22%
 
fake news 57 24.78%
 
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jason1637 said:
JRPGfan said:

Im just not a fan on Hiliary and hope she would have been locked up. Well we are not sure of if the information came out from his meeting with the Russians BUT he should have gave the emails to the FBI when he got them so he is now In some deep shit.

So you think the only wrong thing he did was to meet, get some dirt on hilary, and not right after pass it on?

You dont think it odd/wrong, that someone running a campagne to become president (his people), meet with russians, to get dirt on opponents (who they hacked), so they can sway a election?

 

Its just as much a problem that he actually showed up.

He shouldnt have done that.



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JRPGfan said:
jason1637 said:

Im just not a fan on Hiliary and hope she would have been locked up. Well we are not sure of if the information came out from his meeting with the Russians BUT he should have gave the emails to the FBI when he got them so he is now In some deep shit.

So you think the only wrong thing he did was to meet, get some dirt on hilary, and not right after pass it on?

You dont think it odd/wrong, that someone running a campagne to become president (his people), meet with russians, to get dirt on opponents (who they hacked), so they can sway a election?

 

Its just as much a problem that he actually showed up.

He shouldnt have done that.

I do think he should have not meet the Russians hr should have taken those emails to the FBI so they could have investigated the Russian meddling a lot earlier.

It's not odd though. Its a competition to be President so it makes sense someone wants dirt on the opponent to give them an edge. But going out of your way to get the dirt is wrong.



deskpro2k3 said:

https://nyti.ms/2u4ojEc

Russian Dirt on Clinton? ‘I Love It,’ Donald Trump Jr. Said

If he was a good American, he would've contacted the FBI. Jail time.

No one actually believes any politician would do this, right? In any country.



Superman4 said:

 The intent was to find dirt on Hillary. The fact it was from a Russian lawer doesnt mean anything. WHat I find facinating is the fact that nobody on the left actually wants the truth, they just want to hang Trump because he won. Even if the Russians had a crap ton of dirt on the Clintons and released it all, the left would be all over it for all the wrong reasons. How about looking at the information and validating it? If the Russian goverment hacked the DNC email and released a bunch of emails the Dems sent people and exposed them for the crap talking money hungry people they are, that should be the story, not the fact that they were hacked. The hacking while an issue by itself still exposed the information that people seem to ignore.  If the Russians have evidence of the Clintons using the Clinton foundation for personal gain, lets see it. Its time to stop the BS and politics and start to move on. Focus on making our country stronger, not pissing off half the nation for a whtch hunt wih no merrit and wasting billions in the process.

So if it doesn't fit your agenda, it shouldn't be published. I'm sure that if Russia hacked the GOP and released their emails, you would be saying something entirely different. But maybe it's better to stay on topic.

What Trump Jr. did, is against the law and that's it.

(b)Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.

(g)Solicitation, acceptance, or receipt of contributions and donations from foreign nationals. No person shall knowingly solicit, accept, or receive from a foreign national any contribution or donation prohibited by paragraphs (b) through (d) of this section.

(https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/110.20)

He should get jail time for colluding and trying to discriminate the other nominee.



 

I love how she is now "The Russians". She is somehow representative of the entire russian government. Did she have some contacts, sure. But that's the biggest stretch in all this - that she was doing all of this on behalf of the Russian Government, which there isn't a shred of proof of.
This is more of the same from the Times, which is pot committed at this point to prove their narrative.



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jason1637 said:
JRPGfan said:

There is no such title as Crown Prosecutor in Russia – the Crown Prosecution Service is a British term – but the equivalent in Russia is the Prosecutor General of Russia.  That office is held by Yury Yakovlevich Chaika, a Putin appointee* who is known to be close to Ms. Veselnitskaya.

 

 

also like I wrote before, about what NYT said:

She was hired to do this by Mr. Goldstone, on behalf of Mr. Agalarov (who's father Moscow real estate tycoon known to be close to President Vladimir V.)

 

You cant say she doesnt have any ties to russia.

That doesn appear to be true.

source: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/11/us/politics/trump-russia-email-clinton.html?smid=pl-share

 

She should?

What about the guy that meets with someone who clearly has ties to russia, to get dirt on a opponent? That seems fine to you?

Reguardless of how good any "info" she had was, the act itself is the problem here.

Im just not a fan on Hiliary and hope she would have been locked up. Well we are not sure of if the information came out from his meeting with the Russians BUT he should have gave the emails to the FBI when he got them so he is now In some deep shit.

 

 

WTH?! You are not a fan and so she should be locked up?!?! That's acting just like Trump: not caring about laws or truth, just out to take down anyone you don't like. She's been investigated endlessly and nothing has ever come up other than she shouldn't have used a private email server, which oh by the way her predecessors did the exact same thing and it isn't against the law it was just against a department rule.

 

Anyway, Trump's son, Trump's son-in-law, and Trump's campaign manager all went to a meeting with a Russian, who may or may not be connected to the Kremlin, in order to talk about getting Russian information to take down a US Presidential candidate, while the Russia government was itself working on the same thing. Where there is smoke there is fire and the more time that passes the thicker the smoke gets around Trump, his family, and his campaign in regards to Russian/Trump collusion.

 

Obviously Trump is dirty, that much has been obvious for a long long time, but now it seems to be more and more credible that Trump and his team actually did collude with the Russians! Honestly I thought it was mostly just appearances because they guy is such a f#$king moron and so self-obsessed and incompetant and dishonest and looks up to dishonest, authoritarian types like Putin, I thought all this Russia stuff was really just an example of Trump's endless incompetance and corruption due to his self-obsession and narcissism and general wretchedness. It's pretty clear he needs to be brought up on obstruction of justice with the whole flynn investigation thing, but now it is starting to look like him or at least his family/campaign people did actually at least attempt to collude (which is itself collusion) with Russia to corrupt our democracy and the election.



 

epicurean said:
I love how she is now "The Russians". She is somehow representative of the entire russian government. Did she have some contacts, sure. But that's the biggest stretch in all this - that she was doing all of this on behalf of the Russian Government, which there isn't a shred of proof of.
This is more of the same from the Times, which is pot committed at this point to prove their narrative.

Dude.

The email chain begins with Goldstone relaying that a Russain government official (he says "crown prosecutor", he's probably referring to the prosecutor general) has offered up oppo. He goes on to say that this information is "part of Russia and its government's support of Mr. Trump."

In an email four days later, Goldstone refers to the person that Donald Jr. will be meeting with as, "The Russian government attorney". 

Did Donald Jr. blow the whistle on this? Did he contact the FBI about a plot by a foreign government to influence our election? No.

He took the meeting.

Then he, and the rest of the campaign denied the existence of such a plot for the better part of a year.

Whatever Veselnitskya says about her official role. However insignificant the meeting ultimateley ended up being, Donald Trump Junior, Paul Manafort, and Jared Kushner intended to meet with liasons of the Russian government to determine how the campaign could benefit from the Russian government's support.

That is undeniable from even the plainest reading of the emails. 



I believe the key here is that he accepted the meeting knowing if the information was good he would need to pay up. So what would be the price of this information. For the people defending what he did as not being illegal, you may be right but you have to think about what the cost of the information to truly understand the situation.

While they say they were discussing adoptions who in their right mind believe that crap. First, at the time, Trump and his people had absolutely no pull to remove sanctions that were the cause of the Russia denying the US adoptions in the first place. So if the conversation was about adoptions, then what it really was about were the sanctions put in place. So here we are again where sanctions are the top of discussions and if Trump were to remove them you can be sure it was for payment for services rendered.

It continues to amaze me that people who continue to defend Trump and his people do not see the very obvious. No matter how you slice it, Trump and his people were making deals to remove sanctions and thus profit on the outcome. Since Trump and his people were not in the white house at this time, this would definitely be criminal acts on the order of Treason. Anyway, the fact these emails and other tidbits keep dropping peace meal make me believe that there are people with strings to damaging information and they keep dropping these little tidbits because Trump as usual never keeps his end of business deals.

It would not surprise me that Trump made some deals, got the Presidency then started to forget. Now these people start to drip out pieces at a time which always seem to catch his people off guard where they have to recant previous statements or reveal more then they disclose while looking completely stupid because of on camera statements they made denouncing anything was going on.



The spin trump supporter are doing is hilarious as always.



 

epicurean said:
I love how she is now "The Russians". She is somehow representative of the entire russian government. Did she have some contacts, sure. But that's the biggest stretch in all this - that she was doing all of this on behalf of the Russian Government, which there isn't a shred of proof of.
This is more of the same from the Times, which is pot committed at this point to prove their narrative.

So are you telling everyone that she was just there to talk about abortion to people who had no power to remove sanctions that were the cause of abortions being denied to Americans in the first place.  Who do you think benefits if those sanctions are removed.  Who do you think has to pay up and remove those sanctions for information.  So who exactly was she doing this work for.  Also if the real subject was the sanctions then Trump Jr was definitely in the wrong place talking about things he had no authority to talk or make deals on which if I remember correctly is a criminal act.

So what is your opinion they were talking about or what do you think the cost of this information Trump Jr and his father would have to pay if it was relevant.  The key is that you only have Trump Jr word that nothing came from this meeting.  You know the same person who continue to change his story as new information comes out.