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Tax breaks have caused ""talent drain"" in UK, claims Arkham City dev

Speaking in an interview with Xbox World, the Arkham City designer was asked whether he feels the UK is still able to stay competitive with other markets, considering there's tax relief for developers in territories like Canada.

Hill replied by saying although he "definitely thinks" the UK can compete, the benefits of developing in other countries is undeniable and the effects it's having on talent in the UK is obvious.

"A lot of my friends have moved abroad to get work; there's a real talent drain. Montreal is a central place for development and it's mainly because the tax breaks they give are so phenomenal," he said.

Hill bemoaned the trend since "home computers were so popular and the bedroom programming scene was so big" in the UK, but said that over time that talent is migrating elsewhere.

"We have some of the best talent in the world in this country. That situation is rapidly changing... We have great developers here but those numbers are dwindling," he explained.

"You just think about quality developers like Bizarre Creations, Black Rock - people who are making really good games and going out of business. Those guys were so talented so how can that happen?"

According to the Canadian government 86 companies and 8,236 jobs have relocated to Montreal and Quebec as a result of its 37.5% subsidy on developers' salaries. Hill believes with similar government backing the UK could have been as big a development hotspot as Montreal is now.

"I just think that we could have been in Montreal's position with that backing from the government. It's such a big industry now and we could be world leaders."

Last month French protocols for game development tax relief expired, effectively resulting in an 'EU-wide ban' on game tax breaks. Heavy Rain developer Quantic Dream is considering moving to Canada as a result.

Source: Computerandvideogames.com



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UK was getting there till EA started buying up companies like Bullfrog and Rare went to Microsoft.



As a Canadian this may sound odd (in reference to this article) but countries should not be focusing on giving tax breaks to particular industries, they should be focusing on having a tax code that is appropriate so that all industries are competitive. If you have to give tax breaks to make an industry survive it is a sign that your taxes are far too high in general.



HappySqurriel said:
As a Canadian this may sound odd (in reference to this article) but countries should not be focusing on giving tax breaks to particular industries, they should be focusing on having a tax code that is appropriate so that all industries are competitive. If you have to give tax breaks to make an industry survive it is a sign that your taxes are far too high in general.


Oh great... Here comes HappySqurriel trying to make this into a more intellegent debate..  lol jk...  I need to stop coming across as such a dick sometimes.  Weird though since being a "dick" is usually how I can make some people laugh online.



sethnintendo said:
HappySqurriel said:
As a Canadian this may sound odd (in reference to this article) but countries should not be focusing on giving tax breaks to particular industries, they should be focusing on having a tax code that is appropriate so that all industries are competitive. If you have to give tax breaks to make an industry survive it is a sign that your taxes are far too high in general.


Oh great... Here comes HappySqurriel trying to make this into a more intellegent debate..  lol jk...  I need to stop coming across as such a dick sometimes.  Weird though since being a "dick" is usually how I can make some people laugh online.


I actually laughed till you went ''lol jk''

:)



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HappySqurriel said:
As a Canadian this may sound odd (in reference to this article) but countries should not be focusing on giving tax breaks to particular industries, they should be focusing on having a tax code that is appropriate so that all industries are competitive. If you have to give tax breaks to make an industry survive it is a sign that your taxes are far too high in general.

The issue is that you can't have a race to the bottom on taxes as a whole, or otherwise you lose funding for morally necessary stuff. Industry targeting works best, ironically, in a market with low restrictions on labor movement, and allows you to build an industrial network which can hopefully offset the tax losses that the subsidies provide in the first place, but these must be targeted so that you don't dip revenue across the board.



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

After GT5 sold alone in UK near 1 million copies... yeah the UK market is growing.



ethomaz said:
After GT5 sold alone in UK near 1 million copies... yeah the UK market is growing.


I think you've completely missed the point of the article.

 But yeah, nothing new hear, another industry leaving the UK. Our government are clueless but theres very little we can do about it.

 I was actually excited when the Conservatives had a policy for developer tax breaks in their budget pre-election, almost voted for them. Then they got into power, removed the policy and never spoke of it again. Effectly lied. Scum.



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