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Leynos said:
LegitHyperbole said:

How so? I've spent 50 or 60 euro on this genre now and the only thing that comes close to VS is Brotato and it isn't really the same genre asides from being rouglite and the structure. It's a sea of 7/10 games, not bad but not the 10/10 VS is. I bet Halls of torment is better, it looks better but they won't port it. 

We are talking Hoard Survivors specifically here, the rouglite subgenre. If you know of one with VS quality, please fill me in. 

Thought you were talking shmups not roguelites. Shmups and only 50 euro, that's like 1 game. I have shelves full of shmups so I can say. You are not too experienced in the genre.

Nah, they are like 5 euro each, 10 max. Reverse bullet hells or hoard Survivors, they are like a rouglite subgenre that like end game diablo but no CD's, it's entirely auto shoot mechanics where you do a run of 10-30 mins and get EXP for killing mobs and when you level up you choose a few weapons that synergise together, a modifier for one of the weapons or some stat change or some kind of a buff to help and you earn some curency for permanent progression outside of runs. Eventually the mobs become hoards and you either die or build yourself to become an untouchable God. I'd say it's spawned it's own genre now, an extremely dopamine heavy genre but like Soulsborne the competition can't reach Vampire Survivors. Halls of Torment on PC is supposed to surpass it but from what is available on console, they are weaker even when made with much higher quality as Vampire Survivors is a bit retro in style, copying assets right from Castlevania, like 1 to 1, Capcom didn't sue them and instead done a DLC partnership with them. 

Anyway. Not shmups or rouglites at least not traditional rouglites.