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[EricHiggin]

Machiavellian said:

EricHiggin said:

Parties aren't super clear with their agenda's to begin with while campaigning, don't always follow through with what they say they will do when in power, and have to deal with an entire Country as well as the rest of the world and it's constant change, like the climate, for example. There is no such thing as get in line and stay in line in a democracy.

The current Canadian Liberal Federal Gov sucks. They were in power during Trumps first term. The masses have had enough and the polling shows it. It also shows the masses are heavily leaning towards the Conservative Party, and Canada has like 5 or 6 major parties. Though arguably, only 2 are really serious contenders. The Conservatives are campaigning on protecting Canada, and what Trump is doing, right now, as you said, is forcing Canada to want to protect itself, which obviously helps the Conservatives a great deal.

Most of the time negotiating behind closed doors, especially with Trudeau and his Cabinet, will get you nowhere. If you bring it into the light however, it evens the playing field because now they look bad to all the people, and forces them to have to play serious politics. Using Trump as a villain worked for the Federal Liberals back during Trumps first term, but everyone has wised up since. The way our Gov handled the pandemic, and how they handled the trucker protests was basically the final straw.

How is Trump supposed to negotiate with our Federal Conservative Party if they're not in power? What are they going to be able to accomplish? The only negotiations that would matter, are if they were based on the Conservatives winning the next election, and if they need to win the next election, wouldn't you want to nudge Canada in that direction if you could?

Trump cares about himself and America first, yes, but that doesn't mean you can't end up with a win win situation where both America and Canada get to benefit, and right now, Canada needs some benefitting of some sort period. Plenty of American people, politicians, and sectors, seemingly kissed Trumps butt, which supposedly was going to be to their detriment because Trump was going to lose, but he won, and not by tiny margin either.

I already told you the Conservatives here aren't stupid. Their campaign message is Canada First, but they don't say it like that at all, to make sure they don't have to deal with the nonsense that would follow because of it. They're reacting to Trump the way they need to now because, again, it keeps them from having to deal with the nonsense of what would follow if they agreed with him publicly. Not that they completely agree with Trump, but they're more on Trumps side than Trudeau's, because what Trudeau has been doing, isn't working.

Never said negotiate behind closed doors, I said negotiate first before telling the world that you are going to FORCE Canada and Mexico to submit to your demands.  Its much easier to come to an agreement where both parties can say they are in agreement than to first take an aggressive stance than hope they come to the negotiation table.  So now if either country bend the knee, they look weak while Trump gets to take the victory lap.  As I stated, he tried that same tactic with China, you still have not given any indication of why that will work with Canada or is Canada weak and is ready to submit to America rule.

You cannot have a win situation if negotiations start with the American President telling your country to bend the knee first.  This is why your statements just funny to me.  You want so bad to make everything that Trump say and do be the correct course all the while accepting another country trying to make you sub servant at the same time, then proclaiming that the party you support wants independence.  Next you attempt to make it seem like a glorious cooperative plan by Trump to help that party when its clear its not because your conservative party did not respond like it was some type of blessing.

Lol, the only one I see who is on Trump side is you.  You continue to defend Trump stance then proclaim its good for the party you support while Trump plan has nothing to do with your conservative party.  Its you that saying your conservative party can have a mutual working relationship with Trump administration but no where has Trump even shone the slightest that he cares.  He is going to force Canada to bend the knee because it makes him look strong and he loves appearances but somehow you are trying to tell us that is going to be a great situation for Canada and your conservative party "Canada First".  Yeah, good luck with that.

You still seem to be getting ahead of yourself before Trump has served a day in office.  Why don't you wait until he actually implement what he says he is going to do before you give him the victory lap.  Yes, he is president, now the fun part start which is actually performing in that role.  So lets see how well him blanket tariffs against the world going to turn out or will he just wuss out.

I honestly can't believe that orange man bad is still almost always the answer, which just tells me that the left still hasn't learned. I wasn't sure if the next 4 years would be more or less funny than the first 4, but it's definitely looking like it's going to be far more hilarious this time, somehow.

'Canada should become the 51st state and you could be the Governor.' DJT to JT

At the moment, that deal don't sound too bad. Now remove Trudeau from the deal and you'd actually have our attention.

Maybe it'll happen right after Trump buys Greenland... Who knows?