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[EricHiggin]

Machiavellian said:

EricHiggin said:

Yes I did. It doesn't seem you do though.

You said people don't care about the deeper intentions or future, they just care about the hurt now. Well Canadians have been feeling the hurt for quite some time, and Trumps attempting to make things even more difficult for Canada, while pushing what leads to protectionism. Things are already bad for Trudeau and the Federal Liberals in power, so this will only make things worse for them, helping the Conservatives next election, with their Canada First campaigning.

Now, do countries need (strong) protectionism if they're working together in a manner that suits both and ends up a win win situation overall? That won't happen with American (Maga) Republicans and Canadian Liberals in power. Their mindsets, goals, and agenda's are too different. However, that can potentially be accomplished if the Canadian Conservatives are in power.

So, I wonder why Trump is making moves that help the Canadian Federal Conservative Party? Who would Trump rather deal with?

If people thought about deeper intentions then we would not see a change within 4 years like we do.  We would see people willing to stay the course for as long as they believe in that government or system and we would not see one party changing from one term to another.  

Why would what Trump does hurt the current legislation when that same person is making himself the culprit in the problem. If anything that would unify people against that person as pride will come into play.

As I stated, it would have been much smarter to negotiate first instead of telling the world you are going to force Canada to submit to your demands.  You say Canadians are hurting so having a villain to use as a scapegoat probably would work much better for the current administration.

If anything you seem to think Trump cares about your conservative party or even your government but if that was the case, he would negotiate first with your conservative party but he hasn't.  If anything your Trust that Trump cares is what I find very funny because if history is any indication, Trump only cares about himself and how he looks.  So the only way you get cooperation from Trump is if you bend the knee.  Lets see how that turn out for the conservative party if kissing Trump butt is the way to power.

If Trump was making moves to help the conservative party, we would not see reactions from the conservative party when he announced his tariffs.  What it shows is that he isn't doing anything to work with them, he is doing what he wants and you just believe he is.

Parties aren't super clear with their agenda's to begin with while campaigning, don't always follow through with what they say they will do when in power, and have to deal with an entire Country as well as the rest of the world and it's constant change, like the climate, for example. There is no such thing as get in line and stay in line in a democracy.

The current Canadian Liberal Federal Gov sucks. They were in power during Trumps first term. The masses have had enough and the polling shows it. It also shows the masses are heavily leaning towards the Conservative Party, and Canada has like 5 or 6 major parties. Though arguably, only 2 are really serious contenders. The Conservatives are campaigning on protecting Canada, and what Trump is doing, right now, as you said, is forcing Canada to want to protect itself, which obviously helps the Conservatives a great deal.

Most of the time negotiating behind closed doors, especially with Trudeau and his Cabinet, will get you nowhere. If you bring it into the light however, it evens the playing field because now they look bad to all the people, and forces them to have to play serious politics. Using Trump as a villain worked for the Federal Liberals back during Trumps first term, but everyone has wised up since. The way our Gov handled the pandemic, and how they handled the trucker protests was basically the final straw.

How is Trump supposed to negotiate with our Federal Conservative Party if they're not in power? What are they going to be able to accomplish? The only negotiations that would matter, are if they were based on the Conservatives winning the next election, and if they need to win the next election, wouldn't you want to nudge Canada in that direction if you could?

Trump cares about himself and America first, yes, but that doesn't mean you can't end up with a win win situation where both America and Canada get to benefit, and right now, Canada needs some benefitting of some sort period. Plenty of American people, politicians, and sectors, seemingly kissed Trumps butt, which supposedly was going to be to their detriment because Trump was going to lose, but he won, and not by tiny margin either.

I already told you the Conservatives here aren't stupid. Their campaign message is Canada First, but they don't say it like that at all, to make sure they don't have to deal with the nonsense that would follow because of it. They're reacting to Trump the way they need to now because, again, it keeps them from having to deal with the nonsense of what would follow if they agreed with him publicly. Not that they completely agree with Trump, but they're more on Trumps side than Trudeau's, because what Trudeau has been doing, isn't working.