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Nautilus said:

This virus is killing like 0,001% of the population, and mostly only the people with past complications at that.A full lockdown should have never been one of the options, like I said from the beginning.

0.001% of one million = 10 people.
0.001% of one billion = 10,000 people.
0.001% of eight billion = 80,000 people.

We are already way above that point and the pandemic is far from over.

Every fifth of the (known) closed cases ended in death worldwide, only 4 of 5 survived.

In the US even more than every third of the (known) closed cases ended in death worldwide, not even 2 of 3 survived.

"US has achieved a significant lower mortality rate than almost all other countries" (Donald Trump, today in the press briefing)



Hiku said:
LurkerJ said:

That's really stupid to point out. There is lots of new guidance out there and takes time for these new rules to become daily habits. Even doctors would tell you they're still finding it difficult to follow all the rules all the time, that doesn't mean they're not trying or they're breaking the rules on purpose.

No, what's stupid to point out is that a specialist in infectious disease should not have been following this guideline his entire career.
Covid-19 is not the first infectious disease is it?

You should never cough into your hands. Ever. And he of all people has been aware of this for decades better than anyone. And he knows that even the seasonal flu kills people annually. And yet he coughs into his hands during a press conference where he's advising us on how to not spread the disease. And contributes to viruses killing people.

This shows he doesn't give two fucks about other people's well being. This is him trying to be as responsible as possible in the public eye. How he is in private is no doubt much worse. I've never done it in my entire life to my recollection, because I learned not to in kindergarden.

I am glad you're someone who can follow all the rules all the time. More power to you. But to pretend that someone doesn't give two fucks about others lives because he is an infectious disease specialist who coughed on his hands..... aren't you taking it too far? 

That's like saying most of us here don't care about human lives because we continue to do thins that worsens climate change like buying products from china instead relying on home-made products, and playing video games instead greener entertainment like playing sports, eating anything that isn't remotely healthy promoting encouraging obesity, driving cars instead of whatever, the examples are too many. 

I am starting to cringe at how many of us here pretend we care that much about all human lives. No one fucking cares to that extent about preventable deaths, and it's despicable to pretend otherwise just to point fingers at people we hate. 



LurkerJ said:

This has a major effect on where you are compared to other countries. According to Johns Hopkins University, Belgium has twice as many COVID-19 deaths per capita as the Netherlands. But in Belgium, almost half of those deaths are from nursing homes, while testing is more rare in Dutch nursing homes so fewer deaths there are attributed to the disease.

Belgium does not do any post mortem analysis. Everyone who dies is automatically counted as covid death if s/he was reported to have shown some generic symptom usually associated with covid. So they probably "overaccount" somewhat.

In Austria, a research group reports that all of a group of divers, recovered from covid (all having experienced mild symptons only), show irreversible damage to the lungs (they are all ex-divers now). What that means is anyone's guess. So I'm still not convinced that the Swedish way is the clever way. I'm sure they have essentially killed people who could have been saved by harsher measures that are in place in most of the Europen countries.



newwil7l said:
Nautilus said:

People are idiotic for protesting that this lockdown are taking away their sustance and their jobs?That's the question you should be making.

Health and economy are intrensectly linked.You can't work if you are ill, but you can't have health if you are poor.That's what people can't realize, or rather are strting to realize.This virus is killing like 0,001% of the population, and mostly only the people with past complications at that.A full lockdown should have never been one of the options, like I said from the beginning.

Lockdown should have been extended only to the people that are actually in danger( have existing conditions), and life should move on.These protest will only go on, because when you have to make a choice of having no money to pay your bills, and stealing to have food on your table, it's quite obvious the choice people are going to make.

The virus is killing more people than any other cause currently in the US, please stop comparing it to losing a job for a few months. As already mentioned before there are various safety nets in place for the people. 

This is not an US thread, this is a World related thread.

But if you think that people will lose jobs for just a few months, then you really are clueless.These millions of people losing their jobs around the world?They will be unemployed for well over a year.God knows how many will be homeless or worse, die of hunger.When those people die, hope that you will own up to it.People really have to study economy more.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

drkohler said:
LurkerJ said:

This has a major effect on where you are compared to other countries. According to Johns Hopkins University, Belgium has twice as many COVID-19 deaths per capita as the Netherlands. But in Belgium, almost half of those deaths are from nursing homes, while testing is more rare in Dutch nursing homes so fewer deaths there are attributed to the disease.

Belgium does not do any post mortem analysis. Everyone who dies is automatically counted as covid death if s/he was reported to have shown some generic symptom usually associated with covid. So they probably "overaccount" somewhat.

In Austria, a research group reports that all of a group of divers, recovered from covid (all having experienced mild symptons only), show irreversible damage to the lungs (they are all ex-divers now). What that means is anyone's guess. So I'm still not convinced that the Swedish way is the clever way.

I'm sure they have essentially killed people who could have been saved by harsher measures that are in place in most of the Europen countries.

And the article doesn't disagree? In fact, it reaffirms what you mentioned over and over. The question is, a year from now, who had the proper approach to the same problem?

If a year from now, the number of death per capita for Sweden is way higher than other countries, we can say Sweden made the wrong call. But if the number ends up about the same, then yeah, Sweden made the correct call...

... Especially that the deaths are in Sweden are NOT happening because the healthcare system is overwhelmed. 



Conina said:
Nautilus said:

This virus is killing like 0,001% of the population, and mostly only the people with past complications at that.A full lockdown should have never been one of the options, like I said from the beginning.

0.001% of one million = 10 people.
0.001% of one billion = 10,000 people.
0.001% of eight billion = 80,000 people.

We are already way above that point and the pandemic is far from over.

Every fifth of the (known) closed cases ended in death worldwide, only 4 of 5 survived.

In the US even more than every third of the (known) closed cases ended in death worldwide, not even 2 of 3 survived.

"US has achieved a significant lower mortality rate than almost all other countries" (Donald Trump, today in the press briefing)

You wanna play the number game?Fine, let's do it:

According to WHO, 5.6 million kids under age five have died in 2016, nearly 15 k every day.

According to WHO, number estimates places malaria cases in around 216 million in 2016 alone, with a mortality rate of 28%.

According to WHO, 56% of deaths in Africa are due to communicable nutrinional deaths.In another words, deaths that could be prevented.

According to WHO, 1 million pregnant woman had active syphilis infection in 2016 and had at risk birth due to that.

According to WHO, around 800k people die from suicide every year around the world(about 1 death every 40 seconds)

According to WHO, around 37,9 million people around the world have AIDS as of 2018.God knows how many died because of it.

According to this article(https://www.mercycorps.org/blog/quick-facts-global-hunger), around 820 million people suffer of hunger, and around 9 MILLION PEOPLE die of hunger or hunger related problems EACH YEAR.There is probably a better source for this information, but it shouldn't be much further from the truth.

And the list goes on.Here is the link if you wanna see more heart crushing numbers:

https://www.who.int/data/gho

Now you ask me: is 150k deaths because of one single disease extremely low?One that once the cure is found, almost no one will die of it?As cold hearted as it is to say this, yes.Yes it is.Having less extreme measures being taken in response to this virus helps prevents the other deaths that happens(cancer, hunger, malaria, suicide, you name it).And the economy of a country directly reflects how high or low those numbers are.There is more to the world than the corona virus people.Stop with this tunnel vision.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

Nautilus said:
newwil7l said:

The virus is killing more people than any other cause currently in the US, please stop comparing it to losing a job for a few months. As already mentioned before there are various safety nets in place for the people. 

This is not an US thread, this is a World related thread.

But if you think that people will lose jobs for just a few months, then you really are clueless.These millions of people losing their jobs around the world?They will be unemployed for well over a year.God knows how many will be homeless or worse, die of hunger.When those people die, hope that you will own up to it.People really have to study economy more.

And when the amount of people dead from the economy is still less than those of the virus you'll still be here chirping your nonsense.



newwil7l said:
Nautilus said:

This is not an US thread, this is a World related thread.

But if you think that people will lose jobs for just a few months, then you really are clueless.These millions of people losing their jobs around the world?They will be unemployed for well over a year.God knows how many will be homeless or worse, die of hunger.When those people die, hope that you will own up to it.People really have to study economy more.

And when the amount of people dead from the economy is still less than those of the virus you'll still be here chirping your nonsense.

I will come here and admit I was wrong, like any normal human being.Will you, or is this just some politically charged topic for you to bash people about, like so many stupid people are treating this topic?



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

Nautilus said:
newwil7l said:

And when the amount of people dead from the economy is still less than those of the virus you'll still be here chirping your nonsense.

I will come here and admit I was wrong, like any normal human being.Will you, or is this just some politically charged topic for you to bash people about, like so many stupid people are treating this topic?

I would easily admit I'm wrong if the deaths from hunger and suicides due to a closed economy thanks to the virus outpaced the death of the actual virus. That doesn't seem to be the case though. 



Ka-pi96 said:
Nautilus said:

People are idiotic for protesting that this lockdown are taking away their sustance and their jobs?That's the question you should be making.

Yes. Very idiotic.

Smart people would be protesting against a government that isn't giving them financial security despite the lockdown.

Although they also wouldn't be protesting in public until after the lockdown was over... for obvious reasons.

Oh, I didn't know that every single country had the money to do so.Guess those estimates of the world economy going down 5% or 6% is nothing to be worried about.

My bad, I forgot that every country in the world is a developed one, that has trillions of dollars in the reserve, just for emergencies like this one.I'M SO sorry.And here I was thinking that said governments are just looking out for it's people so that they don't spend all of it's money on a disease that will be cured by the end of the year and has no money to help it's people in other aspects, like social security, health care, it's economic health and so on.I really forgot about that.I'm sorry.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1