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Wii (73M) > X360 (42M) > PS3(35M) and with the new release of the X360 S, the Microsoft is revitalized once again.  The X360 will surely add to the lead of the PS3 as the only way Sony can stop X360 S momentum is by another price-cut that Sony cannot afford!!!



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unknown_soul89 said:
ironman said:
unknown_soul89 said:

As much as I dislike the 360 as a console and the fact everyone ignores it's many many faults including next to no good exclusives (pc/360 games are NOT exclusive) I have to admit it has done alot for gaming, by pure accident of course,

Wow...pathetic, pc/360 games ARE exclusives if you are talking console (which most people are since Console gaming and PC gaming are very different), and aside from RROD (which has been all but eliminated) and overpriced paraphernalia (which are, for the most part, completely unnecessary) I see no other faults. 

Without the xbox we wouldn't have the trophies/acheivement system (which some games benefit from and other games it's kinda tacked on, Mirror's Edge is one that added gameplay value), online on the ps3 probably wouldn't be as good as it is now, alot of PC devs would of stayed on the PC (bioware and valve most notably), and alot of the great first party Sony games that came out these past years might not have if it wasn't for the competition, so yea, personally I'd rather Windows fail and MS leave that and someone capable steps in and make a OS that works without needing 2 gigs more ram for any game you want to play compared to any other OS 

 



Console exclusive doesn't mean exclusive it means it's also on PC, the definition of exclusive is  Not divided or shared with others, pc/360 games are shared between 360 and pc and NOT exclusive, and RROD has been eliminated lol, maybe with the newest consoles but 5 years later is pathetic and what about paying for live with no extra benefits you don't see that as a problem?

You are using semantics, the oldest trick in the book. Unfortunately, when a person says a PC/360 game is an exclusive, they don't specify it as a CONSOLE exclusive. At that point, even though it is clear they are talking console exclusives, all the fanboys jump them and start crying foul. It's not gonna fly with me. A PC/306 game IS a CONSOLE exclusive. The forum rules even back me up on this. PC/360 games are not shared with any other console, they are ONLY on the 360, you can;t get them on the PS3 or the Wii, therefore they ARE exclusives.

As  I stated before RROD HAS been all but eliminated, the chipset before the 360S was VERY reliable, and with a three year warranty on such failures, it's much better than the PS3, which seems to fail just outside of the warranty with the YLOD.

As for live, well, the network is better, it has more features, it's less buggy. and it's cheap. Sorry but your arguments are simply not valid buddy. I mean, I get that you hate all things MS, but really, do you need to pull out the old tired arguments that have been debunked time and time again? At least come up with something that is worth debating.

 

 

Smashchu2. If anybody is copying the Nintendo, it's Sony, or at least, that's what it looks like to the average consumer. Nintendo has yet to do motion control without a controller. At any rate, the blue ocean theory relies on there being competition, it is counterintuitive to the point you were trying to make since it only enforces my original statement. 



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so what you're argung is basically that it's okay for people to use the wrong definition of exclusive because its more convenient?

When you say that something is exclusive, that means that you are talking about all platforms, you can't just magically pretend that the PC doesn't exist, it's wrong and the people trying to correct you are absolutely right. The term "console exclusive" exists for a reason, and its not synonomous with "exclusive". The PC doesn't just dissapear becasue you want to ignore it.



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unknown_soul89 said:

As much as I dislike the 360 as a console and the fact everyone ignores it's many many faults including next to no good exclusives (pc/360 games are NOT exclusive) I have to admit it has done alot for gaming, by pure accident of course,

Without the xbox we wouldn't have the trophies/acheivement system (which some games benefit from and other games it's kinda tacked on, Mirror's Edge is one that added gameplay value), online on the ps3 probably wouldn't be as good as it is now, alot of PC devs would of stayed on the PC (bioware and valve most notably), and alot of the great first party Sony games that came out these past years might not have if it wasn't for the competition, so yea, personally I'd rather Windows fail and MS leave that and someone capable steps in and make a OS that works without needing 2 gigs more ram for any game you want to play compared to any other OS


You talk like console gaming is the only type of gaming.



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ironman said:
unknown_soul89 said:
ironman said:
unknown_soul89 said:

As much as I dislike the 360 as a console and the fact everyone ignores it's many many faults including next to no good exclusives (pc/360 games are NOT exclusive) I have to admit it has done alot for gaming, by pure accident of course,

Wow...pathetic, pc/360 games ARE exclusives if you are talking console (which most people are since Console gaming and PC gaming are very different), and aside from RROD (which has been all but eliminated) and overpriced paraphernalia (which are, for the most part, completely unnecessary) I see no other faults. 

Without the xbox we wouldn't have the trophies/acheivement system (which some games benefit from and other games it's kinda tacked on, Mirror's Edge is one that added gameplay value), online on the ps3 probably wouldn't be as good as it is now, alot of PC devs would of stayed on the PC (bioware and valve most notably), and alot of the great first party Sony games that came out these past years might not have if it wasn't for the competition, so yea, personally I'd rather Windows fail and MS leave that and someone capable steps in and make a OS that works without needing 2 gigs more ram for any game you want to play compared to any other OS 

 



Console exclusive doesn't mean exclusive it means it's also on PC, the definition of exclusive is  Not divided or shared with others, pc/360 games are shared between 360 and pc and NOT exclusive, and RROD has been eliminated lol, maybe with the newest consoles but 5 years later is pathetic and what about paying for live with no extra benefits you don't see that as a problem?

Smashchu2. If anybody is copying the Nintendo, it's Sony, or at least, that's what it looks like to the average consumer. Nintendo has yet to do motion control without a controller. At any rate, the blue ocean theory relies on there being competition, it is counterintuitive to the point you were trying to make since it only enforces my original statement. 

The Blue Ocean is about values. It's about value innovation. Just because Kinect has "no controler," but is the same concept and values as the Wii does not make it Blue Ocean. Microsoft has gone as far to to copy Nintendo's advertising and their games. There is nothing Blue about that. That is very much a Red Ocean.

Blue Ocean would be making a totally different idea. For instance, a Blue Ocean could be a small game handheld that is cheap and play quick arcade style games. This would be Blue Ocean as it would reduce, eliminate, increase, and create values. All Microsoft did was remove the controller as a response to Nintendo. That is not Blue Ocean.



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I want Microsoft to stay because I really like the fact that the Xbox and Xbox 360 helped to bring PC gaming to consoles in a big way.  I understand the anger some current PC gamers hold for it but for a lapsed PC RPG gamer like myself it was a godsend to be able to play games like Mass Effect, Divinity 2, Risen, Dragon Age, and others that I wouldn't have played otherwise because I was out of the PC upgrade loop.

Also I think the console World is far better off for it because I really think it helped to save HD gaming as we know it this generation.  IF the PS3 had been the only HD console I think it would have been far too third parties to simply make PS2 games with tacked on PS3 features since all PS3s were backwards compatible and the PS2 was outselling the PS3.  Add the Wii getting more marketshare and multiplatform might have meant Wii/PS2/PS3 instead of the PC/360/PS3 that it's synonymous with today.

Also people can bash Xbox Live all they want but without it I can't imagine what online gaming on consoles would be like right now.  We'd probably have no achievements and far less features than we now take for granted.  Also they have brought a lot of money into gaming which has went into the pockets of game developers and brought us some games that we would have likely never have seen otherwise.



I don't believe that Microsoft is ever going to drop out of the videogame business now that they have established their brand and have experienced a lot of success.  Before the xbox 360 launched in 2005 who could have predicted that 5 years later they would still be ahead of Sony's Playstation 3.

The Xbox 360 is my favorite console this generation so I hope that the Xbox will continue to be around in future generations because competition is good for everyone involved. 

Competition has helped Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo be at their absolute best this gen.  I say the more competition the better I wouldn't mind if sega entered back in to the hardware business next gen the dreamcast was amazing and it was one of the best consoles ever created in my opinion.



Honestly, I don't want Sony to have a monopoly. As much as I love Sony, I hate monopolies, and competition is always good.

 

Besides, if Sony's Ps3 was the only 'hard core' console on the market, developers would shed tears on having to force to develop for it and use the unique architecture



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