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mjc2021 on 18 April 2009
amp316 said:
mjc2021 said:
amp316 said:
Xen said:
It was one fo the best looking PS1 games. You can also see Retro Helix 2 for the absolute best one.

Sure it was more powerful. Thrice, actually. But this power wasn't used to its full because of some limitations.

 

Yeah, but the N64 games looked much better.  That was my point.

My point is that graphics are not at the top of most console buyers lists, then or now, are they?  

Well it does play some importance but I don't recall the most powerful console ever winning a console war.

 

 

SNES

I consider the Jaguar, 3DO, and CD-i to be apart of that generation. 



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amp316 on 18 April 2009
mjc2021 said:
amp316 said:
mjc2021 said:
amp316 said:
Xen said:
It was one fo the best looking PS1 games. You can also see Retro Helix 2 for the absolute best one.

Sure it was more powerful. Thrice, actually. But this power wasn't used to its full because of some limitations.

 

Yeah, but the N64 games looked much better.  That was my point.

My point is that graphics are not at the top of most console buyers lists, then or now, are they?  

Well it does play some importance but I don't recall the most powerful console ever winning a console war.

 

 

SNES

I consider the Jaguar, 3DO, and CD-i to be apart of that generation. 

 

I don't.  You need to sell "some" systems to be included.  Just some.  Not many.

I suppose you think that the Jaguar had 64 bit graphics too.



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mjc2021 on 18 April 2009
amp316 said:
mjc2021 said:
amp316 said:
mjc2021 said:
amp316 said:
Xen said:
It was one fo the best looking PS1 games. You can also see Retro Helix 2 for the absolute best one.

Sure it was more powerful. Thrice, actually. But this power wasn't used to its full because of some limitations.

 

Yeah, but the N64 games looked much better.  That was my point.

My point is that graphics are not at the top of most console buyers lists, then or now, are they?  

Well it does play some importance but I don't recall the most powerful console ever winning a console war.

 

 

SNES

I consider the Jaguar, 3DO, and CD-i to be apart of that generation. 

 

I don't.  You need to sell "some" systems to be included.  Just some.  Not many.

I suppose you think that the Jaguar had 64 bit graphics too.

Well a shit load of money was lost releasing them and they were actually supposed to compete. Just because they did shitty doesn't mean they didn't exist.

 



Jordahn on 18 April 2009

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amp316 on 18 April 2009
mjc2021 said:
amp316 said:
mjc2021 said:
amp316 said:
mjc2021 said:
amp316 said:
Xen said:
It was one fo the best looking PS1 games. You can also see Retro Helix 2 for the absolute best one.

Sure it was more powerful. Thrice, actually. But this power wasn't used to its full because of some limitations.

 

Yeah, but the N64 games looked much better.  That was my point.

My point is that graphics are not at the top of most console buyers lists, then or now, are they?  

Well it does play some importance but I don't recall the most powerful console ever winning a console war.

 

 

SNES

I consider the Jaguar, 3DO, and CD-i to be apart of that generation. 

 

I don't.  You need to sell "some" systems to be included.  Just some.  Not many.

I suppose you think that the Jaguar had 64 bit graphics too.

Well a shit load of money was lost releasing them and they were actually supposed to compete. Just because they did shitty doesn't mean they didn't exist.

 

 

What's 3DO and CD-i?  I've never heard of them.

Okay.  I'll include the Jaguar because I make fun of it and do acknowledge it.  Jaguar was the most powerful.  You're right. 



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vaio on 18 April 2009
BladeOfGod said:
vaio said:
BladeOfGod said:
Because Nintedo was dealing with Sony and than betrayed them and Sony launched their own console. Sony actually agreed to make CD drive for N64 but than Nintendo betrayed them and went to Philiphs. Sony was pissed off and they launched their own console. Nintendo shouldn't mess with Sony back than.


Don't you guys remember??

Get your facts straight Nintendo didn´t betray Sony, it was Sony trying to fuck Nintendo with a little clausul hidden in the contract that would give away all rights to games produced for the cd to Sony wich would mean that Sony would own all Nintendos IP´s by now if Nintendo didn´t back out of that deal.

Do your research and you will see it was Sony screwing over Nintendo by stealing the techinfo they got to see and used it in the PS 1 and not only that they did the same thing to Sega.

They combined the tech from both those companies and made PS 1 they didn´t even have a single idea for themselves untill PS 2 and got into the buisness by stealing and moneyhating.

 

 

 

1So, Sony should make CD drive for Nintendo console and NINTENDO SHOULD TAKE ALL THE PROFIT?????

2And Its only Nintendo's fault they lost 2 generations. If they didn't tuned to Philiphs they wouldn't get owned in next 2 gens.

 

3''Sony screwing over Nintendo by stealing the techinfo''

4That's why Nintendo turned to Sony and made them make CD drive for their console??? What a bad decision. Why didn't Nintendo made CD drives themselfes back than???

1. It was not about the profit it was about the owning rights, so you think by Sony making a CD drive they all of a sudden have the right to own Mario and zelda and so on?

If you truly believe that then you must be stupid, Nintendo hired Sony to do the CD and in nno way should Sony have tried to get the owning rights to Nintendos properties and of course they should have been in on the profits made of the cd drive but that was not the case they tried to get all the rights of nintendos properties and thats the backstabbing Sony did and not the other way around.

2. Yes it was Nintendo´s fault that they lost (and even though I hated Sony really for what they did back then we got so many classic games out of it) but if they went with Sony´s backstabbing deal there wouldn´t be any Nintendo today because Sony would have own all their franchises and Sony would have killed both Nintendo and Sega at the same time.

3. Yes they did during their colaboration with both sega and nintendo they got to see classified information for both companies consoles wich they then in turn backstabbed bot ninty and sega and released the PS 1.

4. Nintendo wasn´t and isn´t in the CD buisness thats why they didn´t do that themselves, why did Sony steal tech from sega and Nintendo to do the PS 1 and not make an honest attempt by them selves instead of the stealing route they took?

I am happy today that things went as they did even though I wasn´t back then because the games that has come out of this have been amazing wether it be from Sony or Nintendo but that is no excuse to forget the past and the truth about it.

If you want to discuss this more then do you research and come back or else I won´t even bother replying to you as I am saying the same things over and over again.

 

 



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marktheshark275 on 18 April 2009
amp316 said:
mjc2021 said:
amp316 said:
mjc2021 said:
amp316 said:
mjc2021 said:
amp316 said:
Xen said:
It was one fo the best looking PS1 games. You can also see Retro Helix 2 for the absolute best one.

Sure it was more powerful. Thrice, actually. But this power wasn't used to its full because of some limitations.

 

Yeah, but the N64 games looked much better.  That was my point.

My point is that graphics are not at the top of most console buyers lists, then or now, are they?  

Well it does play some importance but I don't recall the most powerful console ever winning a console war.

 

 

SNES

I consider the Jaguar, 3DO, and CD-i to be apart of that generation. 

 

I don't.  You need to sell "some" systems to be included.  Just some.  Not many.

I suppose you think that the Jaguar had 64 bit graphics too.

Well a shit load of money was lost releasing them and they were actually supposed to compete. Just because they did shitty doesn't mean they didn't exist.

 

 

What's 3DO and CD-i?  I've never heard of them.

Okay.  I'll include the Jaguar because I make fun of it and do acknowledge it.  Jaguar was the most powerful.  You're right. 

The 3DO was released in 1993. The 3DO was the most technologically advanced machine during 1993-1995. It was maybe the only system to have been made by more than 1 company.  Panasonic, Sanyo, & Goldstar were manufacturing the 3DO's, with the 3DO company giving them the rights to do it, however, the 3 manufacturers must pay a small royalty fee for each 3DO system manufactured & sold. Due to the use of CD roms & it's high specs, both a novelty during the time, there was a healthy amount of PC ports such as Myst & Star Control 2. Most of these ports arn't possible on the SNES or Genesis. However, the 3DO only lasted during 1993-1995 before having to retire from the console wars. It was also the 1st console to have the 1st Need for Speed game.

The CD-I was pretty much a system with 2 bad zelda games & 1 bad Mario game. Not much else to say though.

 



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BladeOfGod on 18 April 2009
vaio said:
BladeOfGod said:
vaio said:
BladeOfGod said:
Because Nintedo was dealing with Sony and than betrayed them and Sony launched their own console. Sony actually agreed to make CD drive for N64 but than Nintendo betrayed them and went to Philiphs. Sony was pissed off and they launched their own console. Nintendo shouldn't mess with Sony back than.


Don't you guys remember??

Get your facts straight Nintendo didn´t betray Sony, it was Sony trying to fuck Nintendo with a little clausul hidden in the contract that would give away all rights to games produced for the cd to Sony wich would mean that Sony would own all Nintendos IP´s by now if Nintendo didn´t back out of that deal.

Do your research and you will see it was Sony screwing over Nintendo by stealing the techinfo they got to see and used it in the PS 1 and not only that they did the same thing to Sega.

They combined the tech from both those companies and made PS 1 they didn´t even have a single idea for themselves untill PS 2 and got into the buisness by stealing and moneyhating.

 

 

 

1So, Sony should make CD drive for Nintendo console and NINTENDO SHOULD TAKE ALL THE PROFIT?????

2And Its only Nintendo's fault they lost 2 generations. If they didn't tuned to Philiphs they wouldn't get owned in next 2 gens.

 

3''Sony screwing over Nintendo by stealing the techinfo''

4That's why Nintendo turned to Sony and made them make CD drive for their console??? What a bad decision. Why didn't Nintendo made CD drives themselfes back than???

1. It was not about the profit it was about the owning rights, so you think by Sony making a CD drive they all of a sudden have the right to own Mario and zelda and so on?

If you truly believe that then you must be stupid, Nintendo hired Sony to do the CD and in nno way should Sony have tried to get the owning rights to Nintendos properties and of course they should have been in on the profits made of the cd drive but that was not the case they tried to get all the rights of nintendos properties and thats the backstabbing Sony did and not the other way around.

2. Yes it was Nintendo´s fault that they lost (and even though I hated Sony really for what they did back then we got so many classic games out of it) but if they went with Sony´s backstabbing deal there wouldn´t be any Nintendo today because Sony would have own all their franchises and Sony would have killed both Nintendo and Sega at the same time.

3. Yes they did during their colaboration with both sega and nintendo they got to see classified information for both companies consoles wich they then in turn backstabbed bot ninty and sega and released the PS 1.

4. Nintendo wasn´t and isn´t in the CD buisness thats why they didn´t do that themselves, why did Sony steal tech from sega and Nintendo to do the PS 1 and not make an honest attempt by them selves instead of the stealing route they took?

I am happy today that things went as they did even though I wasn´t back then because the games that has come out of this have been amazing wether it be from Sony or Nintendo but that is no excuse to forget the past and the truth about it.

If you want to discuss this more then do you research and come back or else I won´t even bother replying to you as I am saying the same things over and over again.

 

 

 

 

When was Sony dealing with SEGA?? Can you please explain that



warioswoods on 18 April 2009
shams said:
Shadow)OS said:

shams said:
Lots of reasons:
- at the time, carts were seriously inferior. They were too small, and too expensive.
- the N64 was underpowered. The PSX/PS1 has significantly better polygon throughput - and even though the N64 has "prettier" polygons, with extra work PS1 games were a lot better.
...

N64 strength>PS1 strength.


There are a lot of points to argue against the N64 'failure' (a lot of which I could debate about if I cared enough), but power is not one of them.

Sorry, I seriously don't agree.

I developed games on *both* platforms - and while the PSX had issues (had to do software poly clipping and tesselation for perspective correction, etc) - in terms of "raw" power the PSX could do around double the number of polygons than the N64 did.

The other real issue with the N64 - the texture cache was a whopping 4k. The PSX had a more 'open' architecture, and you could use the RSX RAM for frame buffer, texture cache (etc) - as needed.

The PSX also had a couple of co-processors (MPEG decoder, IO chip) - whereas the N64 had a really "weak" CPU, and it sucked up cycles for music, sound and more.

...

The *core* reason for the failure was definitely the media - but if you look at some of the excellent late-generation PSX games (Spyro was always amazing IMO) they are technically leaps ahead of the N64.

The PSX also had more RAM (something that isn't commonly known) - the RAM was just segmented into system, video, audio (etc) RAM - whereas the N64 had its main bank.

(disclaimer: all these numbers are from memory, and if I make a mistake... don't shoot me :>)

All that you have successfully argued is that the PS1's power was more versatile in nature, which no one disputes -- it could handle all sorts of things that didn't exist on the N64.  In terms of 3D graphics though, you're absolutely wrong.  Look at something like Banjo Tooie, or any of the great 3D platformers on the N64 -- a port of any one of those games to the PS1 would have looked like complete crap, like pretty well every platforming game ever released on PS1.  

Are you really wanting to hold up Spyro as an example of what the PS1 could do for a 3D game??? That series is absolutely abysmal in comparison to the smooth 3D platforming on the N64.  Hell, even Waverace was leaps and bounds beyond the PS1; I can only imagine how awkward and jagged it would be on that system.

 



vaio on 18 April 2009
BladeOfGod said:
vaio said:
BladeOfGod said:
vaio said:
BladeOfGod said:
Because Nintedo was dealing with Sony and than betrayed them and Sony launched their own console. Sony actually agreed to make CD drive for N64 but than Nintendo betrayed them and went to Philiphs. Sony was pissed off and they launched their own console. Nintendo shouldn't mess with Sony back than.


Don't you guys remember??

Get your facts straight Nintendo didn´t betray Sony, it was Sony trying to fuck Nintendo with a little clausul hidden in the contract that would give away all rights to games produced for the cd to Sony wich would mean that Sony would own all Nintendos IP´s by now if Nintendo didn´t back out of that deal.

Do your research and you will see it was Sony screwing over Nintendo by stealing the techinfo they got to see and used it in the PS 1 and not only that they did the same thing to Sega.

They combined the tech from both those companies and made PS 1 they didn´t even have a single idea for themselves untill PS 2 and got into the buisness by stealing and moneyhating.

 

 

 

1So, Sony should make CD drive for Nintendo console and NINTENDO SHOULD TAKE ALL THE PROFIT?????

2And Its only Nintendo's fault they lost 2 generations. If they didn't tuned to Philiphs they wouldn't get owned in next 2 gens.

 

3''Sony screwing over Nintendo by stealing the techinfo''

4That's why Nintendo turned to Sony and made them make CD drive for their console??? What a bad decision. Why didn't Nintendo made CD drives themselfes back than???

1. It was not about the profit it was about the owning rights, so you think by Sony making a CD drive they all of a sudden have the right to own Mario and zelda and so on?

If you truly believe that then you must be stupid, Nintendo hired Sony to do the CD and in nno way should Sony have tried to get the owning rights to Nintendos properties and of course they should have been in on the profits made of the cd drive but that was not the case they tried to get all the rights of nintendos properties and thats the backstabbing Sony did and not the other way around.

2. Yes it was Nintendo´s fault that they lost (and even though I hated Sony really for what they did back then we got so many classic games out of it) but if they went with Sony´s backstabbing deal there wouldn´t be any Nintendo today because Sony would have own all their franchises and Sony would have killed both Nintendo and Sega at the same time.

3. Yes they did during their colaboration with both sega and nintendo they got to see classified information for both companies consoles wich they then in turn backstabbed bot ninty and sega and released the PS 1.

4. Nintendo wasn´t and isn´t in the CD buisness thats why they didn´t do that themselves, why did Sony steal tech from sega and Nintendo to do the PS 1 and not make an honest attempt by them selves instead of the stealing route they took?

I am happy today that things went as they did even though I wasn´t back then because the games that has come out of this have been amazing wether it be from Sony or Nintendo but that is no excuse to forget the past and the truth about it.

If you want to discuss this more then do you research and come back or else I won´t even bother replying to you as I am saying the same things over and over again.

 

 

 

 

When was Sony dealing with SEGA?? Can you please explain that

 

 Too lazy to do your own reserch?

There goes your credibility since you rather talk about how you want things to be then actually reaserching how they are.

For this time i will do it for you but for future discussion you have to do it your self.

Here goes:

Sega of Japan, partnering with Sony, refused to consult with Sega's American division until the project was completed—Sega of America had to assemble parts from various "dummy" units to obtain a working prototype.[1] While it became known for several games, such as Sonic CD, the expansion only sold 6 million units worldwide.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sega_Mega-CD_games

If you want to see a documentary about console history where they mention this downbload Azureus(or Vuze as it is called now) they have a selection of different videos you can download and watch for different subjects and one of them is the history of consoles and you will see what i talk about. They also have The history of Nintendo/Sega/Sony and so on.



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