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outlawauron said:
Majin-Tenshinhan said:
He isn't the Star Fox creator. Also, he didn't do anything on Star Fox 64, so I don't really care.

Yes he did.......

Not really.

 

G4's article on the interview actually put up a retraction on this point, at the bottom of the article:

[ed: The original article credited Cuthbert with working on Star Fox 64, which was incorrect. Even though elements from the unreleased Star Fox 2 made it into Star Fox 64, this was an error on my part. I apologize for the mistake. Blame Slippy.]

http://wap.g4tv.com/feed_news.ftl?id=f694530

 

From further reading, the most significant element from Star Fox 2 that was used in 64 was basically the idea for the all-range mode; even then, Cuthbert did not lay a hand on SF64 at any point in its development by EAD; only a couple of his ideas for SF2 inspired some of the 64 gameplay.  



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Star Fox isn't same what I remember. That's why I lose my interest on that game.



I like his comments on Miyamoto. I've always thought that guy was an arrogant turd, a genius arrogant turd who created some of gamings greatest classics, but so out of touch with modern gaming its ridiculous. He basically thinks unless something is his idea or follows his beliefs specifically its stupid.

But here this guy is the CREATOR of star fox and Miyamoto has no respect at all for his creation. How would he like it if someone turned his own creations into something else.... like a mario tennis game or maybe a mario cart racing or fighting game...

Oh wait, nevermind ;)

But I started disliking Miyamoto when I heard how he basically spit in the face of Rare because of Donkey Kong Country, saying something like "this just proves Americans only want pretty graphics and they don't care about gameplay."



@JPL: Umm... Miyamoto is the creator of Starfox. The first game was developed by Nintendo EAD and programmed by Argonaut.

And, Rare is british, so i can't see how the comment is spitting on Rares face.



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bdbdbd, Rare made Donkey Kong Country, Miyamoto insulted the game's gameplay, he insulted Rare and America at the same time. But no one can insult him?

I didn't realize he created Star Fox I just read the OP and reacted to it. I didn't have time to read the rest of this post because I'm at work.

I was just stating an opinion I don't personally care for Miyamoto, I have yet to see two words come out of his mouth that don't sound utterly elitist, arrogant and out of touch with most modern gamers.

I'm a big enough a Nintendo fan, I've supported every system they made except for Virtua Boy. I think that earns me the right to say what I think about him.



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@JPL: I'm not that familiar with the quote in question, but what i did find with a quick internet search, was him saying that americans buy anything with good graphics, not quite sure how he commented DKC on that. He was skeptical during the DKC developement about it being only graphics and no gameplay (i don't know whether Cranky Kong was supposed to present Miyamoto in DKC). DKC was originally hyped for its graphics, what people thought about the gameplay, was only after getting the game
Considering the differences between japanese and western orientated games, i don't really see how the comment was offending, since that's how it goes. Graphical performance has been much more important factor in western orientated games, than it is in japanese orientated games, where gameplay and soundscheme tend to be more important factors (and characters).

I have yet to find arrogant comments from him. Mostly what he's saying in public is comments that go around the subject, so that he never reveals what he's planning.
And, by looking how his games sell, i'm having hard time to believe he's out of touch with modern gamers.

Of course you are free to say your opinion about him, just like anybody else is.



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bdbdbd said:
@JPL: I'm not that familiar with the quote in question, but what i did find with a quick internet search, was him saying that americans buy anything with good graphics, not quite sure how he commented DKC on that. He was skeptical during the DKC developement about it being only graphics and no gameplay (i don't know whether Cranky Kong was supposed to present Miyamoto in DKC). DKC was originally hyped for its graphics, what people thought about the gameplay, was only after getting the game
Considering the differences between japanese and western orientated games, i don't really see how the comment was offending, since that's how it goes. Graphical performance has been much more important factor in western orientated games, than it is in japanese orientated games, where gameplay and soundscheme tend to be more important factors (and characters).

I have yet to find arrogant comments from him. Mostly what he's saying in public is comments that go around the subject, so that he never reveals what he's planning.
And, by looking how his games sell, i'm having hard time to believe he's out of touch with modern gamers.

Of course you are free to say your opinion about him, just like anybody else is.

I think it was from an episode of gamemakers about Donkey Kong.

I don't have the exact quotes it's just an accumulation of anything I've ever heard him say.  It wouldn't really change anyone's opinion anyway.  Just formed mine, that's all.

Yes Mario sells well, yes Zelda sells well, yes I like BOTH franchises.  But anyone who thinks players don't need or want actual controllers is out of touch.  Do all gamers want traditional controllers?? Obviously not, the Wii proves that.  But do some people (me included) actually like having a traditional controller, no motion play, and laying back on a couch to play games? Absolutely.  I just take issue with the notion that games were somehow broken and we needed a completely new overhall of how games are played.  For all I care we could have full on virtual reality, which I would love but at the end of the day I will still pick up a gameboy or an Xbox controller because THAT is what I'm used to, that is what I was raised on and that is what I prefer.  And I don't think there is anything wrong with that.

Like I would buy madworld in a heartbeat on a regular system with a regular control scheme and I would probably love it, but Wii controls don't appeal to me.  I owned one, tried to love it, ended up taking it back.  But I'm not slagging people who do like it.  I just have a problem when people like Miyamoto act like ALL gamers want that... they don't and not everyone has a problem with games as they have existed up until the Wii.

I know all this turned off topic so I'm sorry, I respect your opinion.  I wish I did have exact quotes for you but I don't.  Maybe if I go looking for quotes later I can find stuff to turn me around on this.  As it is now I just don't like Miyamoto.  I like his games well enough but I also like a dozen other companies just as well.  So while I'll support Nintendo I don't go into withdrawl without their exclusives.

 



Am I the only one whose happy about this? My favorite game was is and apparently will be StarFox 64 and Shiggy was head developer of that game. Dylan Cuthbert made StarFox and started to work on StarFox 2 for the SNES but that never took off.

Shiggy made StarFox 64/Lylat Wars and I believe that is the best game of the series.

If there IS another StarFox game, it will probably be by Shiggy, and to me that's excellent news.

Also, need I remind you who headed StarFox Command for the DS? Dylan Cuthbert. And the game sucked horribly. So to me, this is nothing but good news.



@Pete_Beast: At a quick look most who commented in context with Starfox Command seems to be happy (me included).

@JPL: As i said, i'm not saying you don't have the right to your opinion, just that i find your basis a bit odd.

Well, i don't know about the quote myself, but if it's about him being sceptical about the DKC developement, i can't see a problem with that.

For the controller part, it's pretty much the same as it was with NES pad and N64 controller, which both had designs that were taken as a standard by industry and gamers. Natural evolution and of course pretty foolish to think everyone would be happy with it. It looks like Wiis controls are adopted just like NES pad and the analog stick, so i can't really say Miyamoto being wrong in that one, especially when Nintendo has always focused on the interface.



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bdbdbd, in the show they were saying it was after the game was finished. And he wasn't sceptical he was down right negative about it. I just don't personally like the jabs at Americans when we helped make his games sell well and if the Wii sales proves anything it proves we aren't ALL about the flashy graphics.