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badgenome on 28 March 2009
Jagg-off said:
What the fuck is up with the Wolf/Chihuahua analogy? Isn't a wolf like an apex predator? Isn't a Chihuahua like a little shivering ratty bitch dog? A dog you can cuddle with and spew all your bitch emotions to? So wouldn't this cunt prefer these dudes to be faggy Chihuahuas. The way I see it, they are already being wolves making badass man games....fuck yeah!!!!!!

Yeah! All of that!



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Jagg-off on 28 March 2009
bardicverse said:

Better question for Heather - does she want to be laid or a nun? She needs to get a real job, not being a nerdy author. She needs to get a real job instead of coming down on devs, who basically fought their way into the industry to get their dream job.

Hurry up, Heather, that's your biological clock ticking. Btw, Dylan, the Beatles and Citizen Kane all sucked. I'll take Ozzy and Dawn of the Dead ANY day of the week. Thanks.

 

FUCKIN' FUCK YEAH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Rainbird on 28 March 2009
Gamerace said:
Rainbird said:
Gamerace said:
Rainbird said:
In many ways I agree. But this is a little over the top, it's not like there are only games with male fantasies in mind made.

And splitting gamers by age only is very narrow minded. There has never been, and will never be, a game that appeals to everyone.

And for every great movie there is, there will be a ton of shitty movies. The problem in the game industry I think, is that there are too few great games, compared to the "bad" games, and too few of these great games are given the attention they deserve by the media, compared to the bad games.

There is no reason a game that appeals to everyone cannot be made.   I mean it won't appeal to 100% of the public naturally, but certainly a game that appeals equally to men and women, young and old could be made.  Just like the great classic movies or great classic songs do.

But not with the current reality of geeky males designing games that appeal to only geeky males.  They need to get writers and designers from other industries to come into this one to bring in new ideas and expand the market.  Particularly females writers and designers.

Well, I think you could turn this upside down, and say that for every game, you can always find someone who the game appeals to. Men aren't just men in terms games that appeal to them, as it is with women and children as well. No matter what group you go out to, you will find someone who likes Mozart or Charlie Chaplin movies, but that doesn't mean these things have universal appeal.

The Wii doesn't appeal to everyone, because there will be people who thinks motion controls are stupid, or much prefer another controller, and a game like Wii Sport would never have any appeal to people like this, but that doesn't mean there are no people of their age and gender who it does appeal to.

I also think you are wrong, in the industry needing professionals from other industries. I think that videogames need to come up with these people for themselves, if we are to set us apart from the others. It's us who deal with the industry, that must also change it.

Sure.  If you want to target a specific demographic go ahead and there's always room for that in any media, movies, music, games, you name it.  Ubisoft is a master at this approach.

Nintendo in contrast tries to cast a wide net and bring in a huge cross section of all different demographics with their games.   As I said, you'll never get everyone, some people have very particular tastes, but ultimately you'll sell to a whole lot more people.   Results speak for themselves.

But Nintendo's games are also very base.  A lot of 3rd parties like to do meatier stuff than Nintendo touches and there's nothing wrong with that and no reason why they couldn't be more taylored to a broader audience.  But not every game needs to be either.

As for the industry doing it for themselves without outside influence.  Sure!  If it can and if it'll let itself.  I'm sure developers have loads of great ideas publishers fear to touch.

While I certainly agree that Nintendo makes games for a very large demographic, I think it's better if we just agree to disagree here.

And thankfully, I personally think we are seeing more risks being taken by developers and publishers these days, so I feel we are moving in the right direction. Sony taking a game like Heavy Rain under its wings seems like such a step to me, and I also feel that more games are coming out with good stories and character development.



The_vagabond7 on 28 March 2009

I'm surprised at how many men here are attacking her as a woman. It's one thing to disagree with her views but then to go on and say "go get a real job, your biological clock is ticking"? I'm sure some psychologists would have something to say about how many insults in this topic are gender specific.



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Star Scream on 28 March 2009
The_vagabond7 said:
I'm surprised at how many men here are attacking her as a woman. It's one thing to disagree with her views but then to go on and say "go get a real job, your biological clock is ticking"? I'm sure some psychologists would have something to say about how many insults in this topic are gender specific.

 

As gender specific as her use of words 'intimacy' and 'responsibilty,' then.



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Kasz216 on 28 March 2009
The_vagabond7 said:
I'm surprised at how many men here are attacking her as a woman. It's one thing to disagree with her views but then to go on and say "go get a real job, your biological clock is ticking"? I'm sure some psychologists would have something to say about how many insults in this topic are gender specific.

You see the same thing when women suggest that maybe not every comic book female needs to be in skin-tight revealing fetish wear.

It's kinda sad really.

 



Khuutra on 28 March 2009
The_vagabond7 said:
I'm surprised at how many men here are attacking her as a woman. It's one thing to disagree with her views but then to go on and say "go get a real job, your biological clock is ticking"? I'm sure some psychologists would have something to say about how many insults in this topic are gender specific.

Agreed. It's one thing to suggest that her views may be too gender-oriented and angry, it's entirely another to attack her as a woman.



Reasonable on 28 March 2009
The_vagabond7 said:
I'm surprised at how many men here are attacking her as a woman. It's one thing to disagree with her views but then to go on and say "go get a real job, your biological clock is ticking"? I'm sure some psychologists would have something to say about how many insults in this topic are gender specific.

 

Hardly a surprise though.  I'm not defending it, just noting how expected such a reaction is.  Her comments for some are essentialy a threat and a berating, and the usual posturing is the sure result to,



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SaviorX on 28 March 2009
Khuutra said:
The_vagabond7 said:
I'm surprised at how many men here are attacking her as a woman. It's one thing to disagree with her views but then to go on and say "go get a real job, your biological clock is ticking"? I'm sure some psychologists would have something to say about how many insults in this topic are gender specific.

Agreed. It's one thing to suggest that her views may be too gender-oriented and angry, it's entirely another to attack her as a woman.

 

I think her words touched a sweet spot here.

 

I don't think these guys would take offense so much if her words didn't describe them to a tee.The only reason a person would get mad at what she is saying is if it applies to them.

 

I caught a lot of flak for saying that FPSs supplant normal "adolescent" insecurities a while ago. But I still stand by that theory. When the Indianapolis Colts lost in the playoffs, I immediately played Gears of War 2 afterwards to blow off steam.

 

If anything she is right. All we've seen is KILL KILL KILL. Nintendo is criticized for not having hulking brutes as protagnists and senseless violence. Shadows of The Collosus is art. Jet Set Radio is art. Halo is not.



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wfz on 28 March 2009

I think the reason why people are attacking her as a woman is because she's attacking "us" being males. She's stereotyping us, so I guess we're going to stereotype her back so she knows how it feels?

I dunno.

I don't at all agree with what she said though.